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http://www.citylab.com/cityfixer/2012/08/why-have-so-many-cities-and-towns-given-away-so-much-money-bass-pro-shops-and-cabelas/2906/

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Why Have So Many Cities and Towns Given Away So Much Money to Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's?

The astonishing story of how the nation's two largest hunting and fishing specialty stores convinced small town America to pay for their expansions.

BOSSIER CITY, LA – When Bill Winkler opened his small archery shop, he was prepared to compete against businesses large and small – but not against a government-financed competitor.

"The day Bass Pro opened here in Bossier, the number of arrows I sold dropped off by 50 percent," says Winkler.

A Bass Pro Shop opened in Bossier City in 2005 after city officials promised to give the retailer $38 million to pay for the construction of the 106,000-square-foot store in this Red River community.

Such deals are commonplace.

Both Bass Pro Shops and its archrival, Cabela’s, sell hunting and fishing gear in cathedral-like stores featuring taxidermied wildlife, gigantic fresh-water aquarium exhibits and elaborate outdoor reproductions within the stores. The stores are billed as job generators by both companies when they are fishing for development dollars. But the firms’ economic benefits are minimal and costs to taxpayers are great.

An exhaustive investigation conducted by the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity found that the two competing firms together have received or are promised more than $2.2 billion from American taxpayers over the past 15 years.

"Retail is not economic development. People don’t suddenly have more money to spend on hip waders because a new Bass Pro or Cabela’s comes to town," says Greg Leroy, executive director of Good Jobs First, a non-partisan economic development watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. "All that happens is that money spent at local mom and pop retailers shifts to these big box retailers. When government gives these big box stores tax dollars, they are effectively picking who the winners and losers are going to be."

Numbers don’t always tell the whole story, counters Larry Whitely, a spokesman for Bass Pro Shops, a privately held company based in Springfield, Missouri. Whitley argues the stores should be viewed as an amenity being added to a community -- much like one might view a park or a library.

"These aren’t just stores – they are natural history museums," he says. "Every store is designed to reflect the unique natural environment of the area in which it is located." He adds that often a Bass Pro store is an anchor development that attracts additional retailers.

Then again, the amount of tax dollars that have been poured into these two companies would be enough to purchase every man, woman and child in the United States their own fishing pole.


Typically, these stores are financed through familiar economic development schemes like tax increment financing districts. Basically, a city borrows money by selling bonds on Wall Street and then pays off the debt with the increase in property or sales taxes generated in that TIF district.

The Franklin Center filed hundreds of state open records requests with cities, counties, economic development authorities and state governments seeking copies of development agreements both firms have entered into.


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Cabela’s has received $551 million in local and state assistance during the past 15 years.
Bass Pro Shops received $1.3 billion in local and state assistance during the same period.
The federal government helped ensure liquidity for Cabela's' credit card division by providing $400 million in financing for the purchase of the company’s securitized debt.

Both firms have a history of targeting rural or smaller suburban communities and negotiating deals that involve extensive borrowing on the part of the municipality to build a store.

In fact, Bass Pro Shops often pays comparably little toward the construction of its own stores. While this sometimes is the case with Cabela's, its development schemes tend to involve elaborate agreements that include massive outlays for public spectacles in the midst of the retail setting.

Town Gets the Goat

For example, state and local taxpayers borrowed $60 million to build a Cabela's store and its supporting infrastructure in Buda, Texas. For that amount, every household in the 7,600-person community could have purchased a new 2012 Lexus CT Hybrid.

The Buda City Council even agreed to take the town's name off its water tower and replace it with the word "Cabela's." But government largess didn’t end there. The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission provided Guadalupe bass, the official state fish, for the store's massive aquarium at no charge to the retailer.

In one of the more bizarre aspects of its agreement an economic development corporation established by Buda owns about 20 percent of the 185,000-square-foot store and one-third of the land on which it stands. Which means that a 30-foot artificial mountain, with taxidermied mountain goats and other wildlife, a 60,000-gallon, fresh-water aquarium and an exhibit of life-size African game animals all fall under the public ownership umbrella.

Reportedly, Cabela's will save $4 million in property taxes over the next 20 years because those non-revenue generating areas of the Buda store are publicly owned. This, of course, deprives the city of potential revenue and gives the store an advantage over competitors.

This type of public ownership of store amenities is a standard part of many of the development agreements Cabela’s enters into in communities ranging from Hamburg, Pennsylvania, to Mitchell, South Dakota. The retailer’s stuffed animal displays and aquariums are labeled as "museums" and its showrooms for used firearms are now called "gun libraries" as a sort of legal fig leaf to justify public ownership of the retailer's amenities.


"It’s almost like they are out to take advantage of the rubes,” says Michael Hicks, an economist at Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana. "Often these small town city councils aren’t the most sophisticated in analyzing an economic development proposal."

Convincing politicians that the store will be a tourist mecca is a critical part of Cabela's' and Bass Pro's spiel, says Stacy Mitchell, author of Big Box Swindle.

"When they go to these city councils they want to convince them that people will travel hundreds of miles just to shop at that store. They want them to believe it's not just a store, it's a tourist attraction," says Mitchell. "But just look at a map – these stores are everywhere. Why would you travel to one of these stores, if there is one in your hometown?" (Maps of Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops can be seen here and here).

Such was the argument former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford made first to the state legislature and then to the voters in 2006. Sanford engaged in a battle with his state's legislature over whether to provide incentives for Cabela's to build a store in North Charleston. Cabela's officials made claims of the store becoming a major tourist draw that defied credulity, he says.

In order to believe Cabela's claims, one has to accept that people would bypass similar Bass Pro stores in places like Myrtle Beach, South Carolina; Savannah, Georgia; Lawrenceville, Georgia; and Concord, North Carolina, to travel to North Charleston to shop at the proposed store.

“It was completely unrealistic given the number of existing stores that are out there,” Sanford says.

In 2006, Sanford vetoed legislation passed by the South Carolina legislature that gave Cabela's a 50-percent break on sales and income taxes. But the legislature overrode Sanford’s veto. At that point, Sanford led a grassroots campaign against the Cabela's subsidies.


"We don’t think it makes sense for the any number of family-owned and smaller businesses that have been paying taxes in South Carolina for a long time to now be called on to subsidize a loss in their sales," Sanford wrote in a letter to dozens of outdoor sporting goods stores. "I would appreciate you making your voice heard if you think this proposal should not stand."

Sanford also sent letters with a similar message to the Cabela’s CEO. Eventually, the retailer backed away from building in South Carolina.

Under the Gun

So why are politicians so willing to subsidize Cabela's or Bass Pro Shops?

The appeal appears to be cultural and political as well as economic.

"This is a God-fearing, gun-loving part of the country," Sanford says. "People here feel passionately about the Second Amendment. The message I have is that we have an even more important tradition in this country called free enterprise. We need to fight to preserve it."

Art Rolnick, former chief economist for the Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank, compares small-town efforts to attract these retailers to that of major cities building stadiums and arenas for professional sports teams. Often it is done as a matter of civic pride or for bragging rights rather than as a matter of sound economic policy, he says.

In fact, Ball State economist Hicks studied the economic impact of seven Cabela's stores that opened between 1998 and 2003 and found that despite millions of dollars in economic development incentives given to the retailer, there had been no net gain in jobs detected in the communities one year after the stores opened.


"It’s not like folks suddenly have more money to spend on hip waders once a Cabela's opens up. What generally happens is that instead of buying those hip waders from an independent business, they go to big box store," says Leroy of Good Jobs First.

Both Cabela's and Bass Pro have become extraordinarily adept at getting taxpayers to pay not only for the bricks and mortar of their stores but some esoteric related attractions:

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An 18-acre lake – with a waterfall – was paid for with part of the $70.6 million in taxpayer subsidies provided for a Bass pro development in Independence, Missouri.
An indoors cypress swamp will be created in Memphis as part of the $215 million taxpayers are contributing toward the renovation of the Pyramid Arena into a Bass Pro Shop. This includes money the city plans to spend to provide supporting infrastructure for the building.
A boardwalk, a town square and street improvements were part of the $150 million in tax dollars used for a development in Branson, Missouri, where a Bass Pro is the anchor tenant.
Stuffed animals have been purchased with millions of dollars in public funds to adorn numerous Cabela’s stores in communities ranging from Lehi, Utah, to Buda, Texas, to Hamburg, Pennsylvania.

These development deals are not without risks to the communities that enter into them. Bass Pro defaulted on its bonds for its development in Olathe, Kansas. In Independence, Missouri, the city even guaranteed the bonds and Bass Pro defaulted anyway, leaving the city to shell out $3.5 million to cover a payment last year on the project.


In both of those communities, the bond payments were tied to sales taxes generated by the Bass Pro Shop stores. When sales fell below the projected levels, there wasn’t enough money to pay off the bonds.

Paul Woodall is a Birmingham, Alabama, lawyer who specializes in economic development and who was hired by the city of Leeds, Alabama, to redraft a development agreement for a Bass Pro project. The city of Leeds, he says, was left vulnerable by the way the original development agreement was drafted because the bonds were backed by the full faith and credit of the city.

Bass Pro is more covetous of municipal subsidies than other retailers, Woodall says.

"These stores come into rural and suburban communities that don’t have a lot going for them and convince them that they can put them on the map. Many retailers who enter development agreements want to share sales tax revenues. But in the case of Bass Pro, they want it all," he says.

Cabela's Chief Financial Officer Ralph Castor says the construction of one of its "destination retail" stores can cause people to change their shopping habits by getting them to cross a city line or even a state border.

He notes that Cabela's' store in Wheeling, West Virginia, attracts customers from Pennsylvania and Ohio. But the city of Wheeling abuts the Ohio border and is only 11 miles from the Pennsylvania state line.

Castor concedes that it is a matter of debate whether municipal or state retail subsidies benefit the U.S. economy as a whole.

Cabela’s’ own data indicates the customer base of its stores primarily is people living in the communities where the stores are located. The firm’s Reno store is its most successful at being a true destination retailer. Two-thirds of that store's customers come from a two-hour radius of Reno, Castor says.

"I think part of it is that California has really tough gun laws but Reno is nearby so people go there to shop," he says.

Cabela's has begun to rethink its strategy, which has reaped it hundreds of millions of dollars in incentives from small towns across the nation. Castor says Cabela’s has not ruled out accepting more local subsidies – if a good deal were presented to them by a community. But the company’s leadership has reconsidered the wisdom of accepting incentives.

"We have come to the conclusion that the places that are most likely to offer incentives are the places we are least likely to want to build," Castor says. "People want to come to your stores for excellent customer service and quality merchandise. The taxidermy displays may attract them the first couple times but they will keep coming back for the other."

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BarkingSquirrel posted:

Its Tezzy. He only posted it because ZOMG GUUUUNS! :supaburn: Otherwise he couldn't care less. This is a thing that is done for literally every big box store ever.

Sure, big retailers get tax breaks, but when I walk into a Wal-Mart that gets tax breaks I am not greeted by taxpayer-funded waterfalls and $50,000 dioramas and "food libraries"

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BarkingSquirrel posted:

Right because tax breaks or land given is how promotional displays are paid for :jerkbag:

Apparently, it is!

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Fog Tripper posted:

As a person likely to buy such items as found in cabelas, I view those stores as entertainment attractions, like amusement parks. I do my purchasing almost exclusively online. Living in a small town or two in my life, I've seen what a big box can do to the local mom and pop places.

I have to chuckle that tezzer made a point of putting "weapons" in the title, but then goes on to complain about dioramas and waterfalls. If you want to make it a gun thread, make it a gun thread. I would have discussed big box stores in general, but I guess tezzer was just looking for an omgguns outlet since the gbs thread was gassed.

So which is it Tezzer, a thread about big box stores or a thread about guns? Hard to tell from a link and a quoted news story with zero personal thoughts in the OP you created.

I think it is both things. The waterfalls and dioramas are crass and overpriced and subsidized by tax money and local laws to a greater extent than the sweetheart deals that we know about Wal Mart and the like. On the other hand, they are subsidizing firearms sales (centrally and not just incidentally as is the case with Wal Mart) which is a far more controversial subsidy than a grocery or electronics store. Not to say that those subsidies are good, but they are materially different than subsidizing firearms, which most adults voluntarily do not own and a sizable percentage of the population wish were more heavily regulated. This thread, by the way, was created several days before any of the gun threads in gbs were gassed.

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PuTTY riot posted:

Not where they build Bass Pro Shops.

Can you find any evidence that local referendums were taken in the majority of these cities where the people voted to subsidize these stores? And considering that each new firearms purchase funnels more money into gun lobbyists, it is a phenomenon with consequences that extend beyond just that local community.

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Fog Tripper posted:

Do you honestly believe that were they not there selling firearms to customers, those customers would be at a loss as to where else to buy a firearm? Really?

No, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that from. Seriously, please note where in the post you were replying to anything like that was even implied. He said that the people there don't consider gun ownership controversial. I asked if there was evidence that they voted to grant these subsidies and pointed out there were greater consequences to the world outside of that community. You asked if I thought that nobody would be able to buy firearms if these stores weren't there. Of course not. What moon logic led you to even imagine this question?

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Do you get as bent out of shape about walmart selling tobacco and supermarkets selling alcohol and drugs?

If they were being subsidized by law and taxes to the same extent and building extravagant Cigarette Libraries on the public dime, sure.

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KaiserBen posted:


As far as "funneling money into gun lobbyists"; yes, buying a product does tend to fund lobbyists for that industry. This really doesn't show far-ranging consequences that are in any way different from literally any other even slightly controversial product (oil, cigarettes, liquor, cars, motorcycles, etc). Now, you can certainly argue that industry lobbying is a corrosive force in general (and I'd largely agree), but why does Bass Pro's lobbying have special, far-reaching consequences that Exxon's doesn't.

It doesn't have particularly special consequences when compared to Exxon. You are requiring it to have special consequences in order to justify criticism. That is nonsense.

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SedanChair posted:

As taxpayer-funded boondoggles go, at least Cabela's is a destination. There are usually only a few per state, and people will drive for a hundred miles to get to one. Then boom, you've got motel stays, park and permit fees, shopping center business etc. It makes sense even though it's just another example of funneling public money to private pockets.

I've been to a Cabela's, before I knew it was a taxpayer money pit. It is a big place with a nice selection of stuff and an extravagant decor. It is a sporting goods store. It is not a waterpark or a Six Flags or a zoo. How many people really are willing to drive hundreds of miles and stay overnight to visit a sporting goods store? How many people are willing to do that more than, like, twice? How much more money are they spending at Cabela's than they would be spending at local sporting goods stores?

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