Immigration activist Jose Vargas arrested boarding domestic flight

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Elotana: Dec 12, 2003; and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account

There's an awful lot of daylight between our current "wait in line forever" immigration policies and no borders at all. I don't think most people here would object to making immigration conditional on things like passing criminal/terrorism background checks or screening for communicable diseases and up-to-date vaccinations. But that doesn't require a waiting period of years and years, or arbitrary country-of-origin quotas.

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Elotana: Dec 12, 2003; and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account

on the left posted:

The time period where immigration was essentially a free-for-all was also when we had no income taxes and no social security, so if that's on the table

Do you think immigrants don't contribute to social security? poo poo a mass immigration would probably be one of the few ways of dealing with the upcoming boomer-bomb without a tax hike or a benefit cut. Illegal immigrants are already putting billions into the system now, because only a few of them are actually entirely cash-under-the-table deals, most get paid under fake SSNs or stolen identities and get their FICA withheld just like everyone else.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2014 05:08

Elotana: Dec 12, 2003; and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account

on the left posted:

Of course they contribute to social security, but since the jobs they get are almost universally lowly paid, it's not going to help much at all in the short term, and backfire spectacularly in the long-run when we have to pay out social security to them, which will probably happen.

The payroll tax is flat, and capped. It will help quite a bit. And how will it backfire spectacularly? Will the immigrants be sterile?

on the left posted:

I've always regretted that the US didn't have favelas and shantytowns in its major metropolitan areas. We could finally have the kind of inequality that would make Brazil say "At least we aren't America unequal"

Yes, we should keep these people safely in their home countries, where their crushing poverty is at least relatively not as bad. For their self-esteem and all.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2014 08:05

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