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welcome to  i think it's gotten somewhat better. the last time i was living there was 2011 and at that point bell, which nominally owns the majority of the lines (which were all built with tremendous amounts of public funding) had just announced that it was going to start assigning its wholesale customers bandwidth caps, using the same prices as bell did for its own individual customers. (formerly wholesalers would lease the lines for a fixed rate per month with no cap, as bell was legally required to allow). this because they were MAD AS HELL that companies were starting up, wholesale buying bandwidth, reselling it with higher caps than bell or no cap, and taking away a huge amount of bell's market. essentially it was a "well we don't like competition so we're going to start, uh, ignoring the law here and force every competitor to offer the same prices we do. nyah nyah" surprisingly it actually got a huge amount of bad press and they backed off. i haven't kept up with it but when i left they were still offering a 512kbit plan with 2gb of transfer for grandmas etc. for 29.99 a month.
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mishaq posted:so if there was no divestiture there would have been only one mobile phone network technology in the us? sure, i guess every home in America would have had an ISDN line in 1991.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:24
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Who gives a gently caress about any of this. Let the ISPs restrict my poo poo if they want because the internet is a cesspool and the less of it I am exposed to and/or able to interact with, the better.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:25
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Shaggar posted:its not cheaper if you live in the town that owns it. read the drat article. they buy the gas wholesale, add enough to the price to cover the cost of running the station, and sell the gas for what turns out to be less than the local private stores. the station pays for itself.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:26
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computer parts posted:reminder that internet caps have nothing to do with net neutrality i would hope that nobody would ever conflate the two internet caps are a service level agreement for a set cost of money net neutrality is being able to use the service you pay for to access any site equally, and not just get "TV channels" of your ISPs content with no issue yet outside networks get barfed up, but from any provider equally, as is the intent of the internet.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:26
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I unironically hope that nickel and diming for specific access becomes a thing.
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Sagebrush posted:read the drat article. they buy the gas wholesale, add enough to the price to cover the cost of running the station, and sell the gas for what turns out to be less than the local private stores. the station pays for itself. yeah maybe they break even on operational costs, but the initial investment probably has them way in the hole and if they need any more they'll just dip right back into those town coffers
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Jul 29, 2014 05:31
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Shaggar posted:every home in America would have had an ISDN line in 1991. lmao electronic telephone switching was introduced in 1965 conversion of central offices from analog to digital SWITCHING still went on well into the 1990s
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Jul 29, 2014 05:31
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Sniep posted:i would hope that nobody would ever conflate the two Network Neutrality is making ISP customers pay to receive ads from google instead of making google pay to deliver ads.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:32
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Sniep posted:i would hope that nobody would ever conflate the two it's been a surprisingly common view among people who just want to rage at ISPs (compare with: raging at monsanto because "scary GMOs" )
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Jul 29, 2014 05:32
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mishaq posted:lmao yes and that switch took so long because there were 100 different companies working on their own standards putting 1000 different types of incompatible switches out into the field.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:33
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Shaggar posted:Network Neutrality is making ISP customers pay to receive ads from google instead of making google pay to deliver ads. That... isn't even a point. Of course both sides pay for it, I pay for internet access and that includes getting google ads like everything else. Google pays for their servers and access/network - this is nothing new. What are you trying to say? That I shouldn't get ads from websites? Google's just a website man.
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Jul 29, 2014 05:34
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Shaggar posted:yes and that switch took so long because there were 100 different companies working on their own standards putting 1000 different types of incompatible switches out into the field. how many companies was at&t buying equipment from between 1965-1984? and for 10-15 years after divestiture it was less than 5 (at&t/lucent, nortel, siemens, maybe some no name comedy option for a small mom&pop telco)
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Jul 29, 2014 05:36
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Network Neutrality is propaganda with no basis in reality. Its primary proponents are companies with high bandwidth costs who want to shift as much of that cost on to consumers and their isps as possible. Network Neutrality does this by preventing ISPs from negotiating deals that favor the ISP and its customers
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Jul 29, 2014 05:36
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who cares op
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Jul 29, 2014 05:38
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Shaggar posted:no, it implies that publicly accessible lines dont make service cheaper or alter competition because all the cost is in the last mile. putting the government in charge of that last mile isn't gonna do anyone any good.
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reminder the at&t divestiture was literally a joke
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Jul 29, 2014 05:45
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right which is what makes it even worse. all the breakup did was gently caress standards
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Jul 29, 2014 05:47
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Shaggar posted:right which is what makes it even worse. all the breakup did was gently caress standards no it didn't it might shock you but there are international standards bodies for telecom standards and who are the 100s of companies US telcos were buying switches from that explains why it took 30+ years to convert the US from analog to digital telephony switching, with 20 of those years being under at&t only we wouldn't be 100% ISDN in 2014 at that rate
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Jul 29, 2014 05:51
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its as if monopolies are known to slow progress itt
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Jul 29, 2014 05:52
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Beeftweeter posted:reminder while us telecom is a joke and that's lol, the primary thing divestiture did was separate local and long distance telephone service (a big deal in the 80s/90s), and dramatically open up competition in the equipment side since at&t was 100% vertically integrated the regional operating companies immediately gobbling each other back up is just business/lovely regulation
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yeah i know it had positive effects. its just funny to think that the majority of companies spun off from at&t (or spun off from companies spun off from at&t) later combined to form a company unsurprisingly called at&t i actually kinda miss the death star logo 
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Jul 29, 2014 06:52
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i work for a lovely wisp and the boss watches random peoples traffics and emails them if they go to porn sites or uses netflix too much.
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Jul 29, 2014 06:59
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that's ducked up
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Jul 29, 2014 07:07
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the other wisp in the area does it too, but its automated and they threaten to shut you off if you go to any questionable websites or swear in an email if you use their email
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Jul 29, 2014 07:11
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hmm sounds made up op
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Jul 29, 2014 07:12
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its a small podunk town it wouldnt be to hard to install some weird netnanny poo poo on their back end. i could find the letter they sent my friend a few years back but effort. e. i guess they opt you into some weird family monitoring thing when you sign up and you have to manually opt out after you get hooked up Korean Boomhauer fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jul 29, 2014 |
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Jul 29, 2014 07:14
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you know why I support net neutrality? because fishmech and shaggar oppose it.
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Jul 29, 2014 07:54
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uncurable mlady posted:you know why I support net neutrality? because fishmech and shaggar oppose it. i also want the post office to get into banking and be my local isp
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Jul 29, 2014 07:57
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i also want the post office to get into banking and be my local isp same socialism now please
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Jul 29, 2014 08:06
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Just a reminder "net neutrality" isn't a discussion they're having in countries where there is actual competition for ISPs because intentionally slowing people's netflix is an obviously bad idea that will cost you customers. Put the last mile as a shared resource and let individual ISPs that purchase their own upstream transit compete over customers like other civilized nations.
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Jul 29, 2014 08:31
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itt americans asuming america is the internet
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Jul 29, 2014 08:36
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I'm closing this thread because of all the racism
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Jul 29, 2014 08:38
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I want everyone to really think about what you've done and what you can do to avoid it in the future
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Jul 29, 2014 08:39
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ok we've all had a chance to cool off now so I'll reopen the thread. but please: NO MORE RACISM
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Jul 29, 2014 16:14
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Why are all the minority special interest groups always so corrupt. I never read about other lobbies doing terrible things.
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Jul 29, 2014 16:16
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Awia posted:itt americans asuming america is the internet uh yeah we invented it and also we have ICANN so get used to it bub
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Jul 29, 2014 16:19
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Squinty Applebottom posted:Why are all the minority special interest groups always so corrupt. I never read about other lobbies doing terrible things. Not All Minorities: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/07/native-american-tribe-refuses-to-accept-the-redskins-donation-for-a-skate-park.html quote:“We say, no. There are no questions about this. We will not align ourselves with an organization to simply become a statistic in their fight for name acceptance in Native communities. We’re stronger than that and we know bribe money when we see it.”
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Nice logical phallusy
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ShadowHawk posted:...somehow. WHAT THE gently caress
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