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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Cingulate posted:

Don't ever think about thinking about CENSORED though or you lose CENSORED.
Listen to me very closely, you idiot.

YOU DO NOT THINK IN SUFFICIENT DETAIL ABOUT SUPERINTELLIGENCES CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO BLACKMAIL YOU. THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE THING WHICH GIVES THEM A MOTIVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE BLACKMAIL.

You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound intelligent when talking to your friends.

This post was STUPID.

Much like arguing about IQ.

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Night10194 posted:

This reminds me of the old 'You wake up as Hitler in June of 1942, what do you do?' thing where the LW community immediately saw it as 'how do I win the war' and not 'How do I stop one of the great tragedies of history from doing even more damage'

It never occurs to them, in the slightest, that maybe Eugenics is discredited and useless because of ethical reasons or the fact that it is backed by insane scientific racism poo poo; no, it's all 'Well the principle is sound, how do we get the cattle car trains running on time?'

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Yudkowsky believes that robot god will find a loophole to thermodynamics to allow for truly eternal life, and that it will be able to look into the past and reconstruct a perfect simulation of a person by reading their forum posts so that no-one has to die for good even if they stop living before the singularity hits. I'm only slightly exaggerating.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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The robot is really smart and bayesian and will defeat entropy, because when Yud says he doesn't want to die he doesn't mean he wants to live a very long time - no, it's Deathist defeatism and treason against humanity to ever accept the inevitability of death.

Heat death is unacceptable.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Jack Gladney posted:

Supremely perfect AI know that posthumanist heaven-on-earth will need everyone reconstructed in perfect form: straight, white, technocratic, and libertarian. You will be remade in rationalist, social-darwinist perfection and spend the eons arguing with Yud about information theory and cryonics, even though neither of you has ever so much as taken a college course in neurology. You will see nothing wrong with that, now that your brain has been perfected by the subtle modifications needed to turn you into a bloviating shitheel droning on forever and ever after about eugenics and the glory of the market.



And you won't want it any other way. You'll see nothing wrong with it because you'll love it then


in Heaven forever and ever.
Hang on, I thought sufficiently-rational people automatically agreed, proven by Aumann's Agreement Theorem? If you're arguing then you're not smart enough, get out of Yud's heaven you fake Bayesian

"Aumann's agreement theorem, roughly speaking, says that two agents acting rationally (in a certain precise sense) and with common knowledge of each other's beliefs cannot agree to disagree. More specifically, if two people are genuine Bayesians, share common priors, and have common knowledge of each other's current probability assignments, then they must have equal probability assignments."

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Lol, Ms. Marvel is the best science-fiction/fantasy comic of the year?
It's actually good, but all four non-puppy entries could have taken it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Rules changes are for the Worldcon after next. He has a chance!

Maybe he should team up with Vox Day to slip HPMOR onto the next rabid puppies slate. It's the only rational decision.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Somfin posted:

Why was he going to win a writing award?
Vox Day.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Merdifex posted:

You know, I don't think I've mentioned this before, but nydwracu is the only DE moron who makes, or made, his own music. You check his poo poo out at his website he says he made when he was 15. Notice the subtle racial messages in some of the songs.

http://cryptm.org/~nort/
If Vox Day counts, he used to have a band. I don't really advise looking further into it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Cingulate posted:

An idea brought to you from the school of thought that also came up with Cultural Marxism.
I think it's more endless rereadings of Ender's Game.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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"Are you a feminist? Y/N" written on paper bag.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

DStecks posted:

It would be like doing a WWII game where it turns out that there really is an international Jewish conspiracy.
In the new Wolfenstein games the Nazis are studying and reverse-engineering ancient Jewish artefacts of unimaginable power? It's ok though, they use it to build a cool laser gun and you steal it and kill thousands of Nazis with it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I know it's a stupid idea for a lot of reasons but why would torturing a simulation of you based on whatever facts it can glean from (presumably) the internet's past be any different than torturing a completely different person who happens to also play TF2 at 4 AM every night and fap to diaperfur or whatever? Why does it even have to be a simulation of you, or a simulation at all - why can't it just threaten to torture a percentage of future people unless you help it because you're such an effective altruist you'd do whatever you can to reduce the suffering of hypothetical future people?

I mean I realize the answer is actually that it's a stupid poorly-thought-out idea based on dumb science fiction but do they have a "real" reason?

Because you could be that simulation, and in thirty seconds it'll move from simulating your historical normal mortal life into infinite torture mode.

This isn't very likely, but if you multiply the odds by a trillion trillion trillion then it's practically certain!

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Which ones the doctor?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Tesseraction posted:

And then they actually wrote that storyline in a few years back where the Doc destroys the Prime Minister's career in six words.
They should try that again, with six other words and a more recent politician.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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The Vosgian Beast posted:

EVE Online is their vision of how the world should work, so
It's more like Pathfinder Online - it's EVE, but:

in a medieval kingdom,

run by the guy who tried to sell $50 monocles in EVE,

with NO GOON TROLLS ALLOWED as a core moderation principle (to maintain the true free market of hardcore pvp),

plus it's basically a scam that's been through multiple kickstarters and tried to pull a star citizen as well.

At least EVE functions.

Syd Midnight posted:

To be a fly on the wall if he ever had to spend the night in a drunk tank or county lockup and tried engaging some bored, annoyed cop in debate over the rationality and justness of their imprisonment. There's a fanfic I'd like to read.
The Sovereign Citizen and his Basilisk.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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If robot god is malicious we're all automatically hosed, so rather than donating everything to yudkowsky to fund creating good robot god we should donate everything to yudkowsky to research how to make sure robot god is not malicious, and also not well-meaning but stupid enough to be just as bad as malicious robot god.

#stopskynet #8lives1dollar

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
4g warfare? but I can hardly get 3g in some places.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Doctor Spaceman posted:

I'm pretty sure his dumbass gravity theory doesn't handle complex situations like "the moon revolving around the Earth".
Yeah but he's just asking questions to get a rise out of people who don't think for themselves and slavishly adhere to what the "experts" say. He's got epicycles like you wouldn't believe behind all his theories, and you're too dumb to see which ones are real and which are just social experiments.

I mean, he's a certified genius. Just sayin'.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Terrible Opinions posted:

I'm having difficulty parsing what is getting the racist mad. Is it the black guy getting to close to him or something?
His female attempted to cuck him in the grocery store.

That's about it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Saeku posted:

On the topic of simulation hypothesis: I met a Rationalist who said he tried his best to spend his life around influencers and great men. If outsiders are simulating this world to observe it, at some point they might turn off the boring parts of the simulation to save processing power, so he wanted to be in the interesting part.

It's only a small step from there to some versions of the Joker.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

John Big Booty posted:

Sweet Jesus, he went full 14 Words.
"14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children."

I mean he's not actually wrong.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:

I would put money down that at least one weirdo has tried to make a tulpa for the sole purpose of arguing with it.
If real people won't speak to them any more...?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

"I'm not owned! I'm not owned!" etc -- @dril

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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quote:

Jack Burton
This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I’m talkin’ to whoever’s listenin’ out there. When not doing historical philosophy, he’s fighting the forces of evil (i.e., Lo Pan, his minions, and leftists). To those who fear university bureaucrats, “social justice” activists, and anyone with a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker, just remember what ol’ Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol’ storm right square in the eye and he says, “Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it.”
No, gently caress off.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

pookel posted:

The thing is, their whole shtick is being anti-establishment. How are they going to handle the fact that now they ARE the establishment?
Order new shirts and start making lists, or acting on the many, many lists they've been preparing for years. Who knows!

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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ate all the Oreos posted:

Imagine the kind of 14 year old kid who's into death metal, I mean really into it. Now imagine what is inside their spiral notebook.

Almost as many swastikas as the kid who doodles geometric patterns and doesn't tend to notice that the pretty, simple, repetitive patterns they're doodling everywhere are actually nazi as gently caress?

Although that kid may turn them into gridded squares or scribble over them when they realise they did hitler again.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

MikeCrotch posted:

Seriouspost: What is it with white nationalists and food? The fash came on a march to my city, one of them had a sign saying HALAL IS THE THIN END OF THE ISLAMOFASCIST WEDGE

Like...how can you be so insecure that you're scared of a specific way of butchering animals? It boggles the mind.
"Islamisation starts with a kebab ... We must do everything we can so that no mosque is built in the future."

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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And that's why you're a loving insane bully, rear end in a top hat and all around loving villain. You want to pretend that honestly held beliefs about mere matters of biology are MORALLY BLAMEWORTHY, to the same level of advocating genocide, or frankly any level of "intolerance". There's no moral component to this belief, here, none whatsoever, but you DISHONESTLY WANT TO loving PRETEND THERE IS, JUST TO SLANDER PEOPLE.

gently caress you, rear end in a top hat, bully, liar and villain. gently caress all your lies, gently caress your privileged existence, where you have the absurd comfort of bashing and slandering progressive people for not believing the exact same set of beliefs as you. For decades, since I was in school and afterwards in the workplace, I've often stood alone in crowds of my peers, supporting gay rights, or opposing antisemetism or racism.

But you loving bully, instead found a pack of fellow bullies, and amuse yourself by slandering progressives instead, just because they're all-around better people than you in all axes of virtue -- whether that's charity, or intelligence, or honesty, or intellectual integrity, all qualities you lack.


:allears:

(the "honestly held beliefs about mere matters of biology" are exactly what you'd think they are, of course)

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I'm sure the oath keepers will resist any unconstitutional orders.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Vox day says he's got all the neanderthal genes so he's a super white man, but on the other hand neanderthals seem cool and when the gently caress has he been right about anything before?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Fututor Magnus posted:

goddamn this entire thread is emblematic of lw craziness,

just want to drop it here before i comment on it because its just :gonk:

http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/oul/openai_makes_humanity_less_safe/
The Open Philanthropy Project just made its largest grant ever, to Open AI, to buy a seat on OpenAI’s board for Open Philanthropy Project executive director

I'm starting to dislike the word open. Open Universe Yudkowsky's AI.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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You don't just give MIRI all your money. You pay for your cryogenics insurance first, then you give MIRI all your money.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Pitch posted:

I read some scifi short story that must have been 1960s or older which started out by saying it was a love story between a man described as "bronze" and a woman who was a gymnast. Then over the course of a few pages it explained that the man was literally bronze, in a radiation-proof space travel body, and the woman breathed water and was covered with a fine layer of insulating fur, and the two of them having sex was physically impossible but they traded recordings of themselves to simulate loving in a computer before the man shipped out from her planet on his spaceship.
I think I know the one you're talking about. It started out as "boy loves girl, girl loves boy" and then explained all the ways in which they, being from the future, were different from modern assumptions. IIRC at least one of them was trans?

It was actually a way better story than you'd think from reading a description of it. Can't remember the name or author, though. Pretty sure it wasn't Delany.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
You get used to it, though. Your brain does the translating. I don't even see the code. All I see is aryan, octoroon, jew. Hey uh, you want a drink?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

DarklyDreaming posted:

I want to know what prompted this statement but I have a sneaking suspicion that he just said it out of the blue in response to nobody
Hopefully it's him criticising the pizzagate crowd? I'm going to believe that and not look further into it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Improbable Lobster posted:

On what planet would that make sense
Pizzagate is at some level a ridiculous moral panic about paedophilia that's been promoted by idiots and bots gleefully serving Putin's interests? But it wasn't that anyway.

Still better than my first assumption of "you guuuuys stop criticising loli it's distracting you from real issues."

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Improbable Lobster posted:

It makes no sense to read Yud's comment as having anything to do with pizzagate at all. Especially since we know that the actual context is "child porn is no biggie and shame on people for being upset that Putin used it to sabotage people".

That was the only thing that came to mind for CP and DE-adjacent alt-right types, not knowing the context. Anyway I know you've read two of my posts in this thread, three now, so it shouldn't surprise you that I'm kind of an idiot.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Lottery of Babylon posted:

The fact that Primogeniture has been excepted from the new Gender Identification Bill in the UK says exactly who benefits from this madness; men, especially powerful white men. The passing of titles from father to son will not include women who identify as male. Says it all.
gently caress off, Enatic-Cognatic Gavelkind is the only acceptable succession.

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