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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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divabot posted:

Ragged Jack Scarlet is the author of the wonderful fan theory Undertale Prime, which was greeted with great hilarity by anyone with the slightest media literacy. The theory is that the game Undertale reads to him like just s-j-w fanonisation of a real game. He does better meta than most of the rationalsphere, which means worse than anyone who knows what they're talking about. Give him 6000 words a post and he'll be Scott.

He's not wrong, you know. You already know Homestuck, you may know Crow Cillers, a lot of non-mainstream fiction nowadays comes pre-fanfictioned, it's already born as a meta-commentary on how it's going to be consumed as media. Where he completely loses me is:

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The result is that Undertale Prime makes moral sense, but Undertale does not.

Moral sense? Just, why?

I don't get his other examples because I'm maybe too old for poo poo like Borderlands, Kingdom Hearts, etc. (not that I played Undertale, either, so I can't comment on the specifics)


What on earth gave SA its reputation as a leftist site. Have these people ever been in GBS

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Also his equating of 4chan's "cute boys / traps" boards vs actual transpeople thing is triggering me so hard right now because the whole "trap" thing is super toxic to actual transpeople and oh my god he's making me critically analyze anime porn types now gently caress you so much

I wonder sometimes if traps are how "political homosexuality" is manifesting in the alt-right. Commentators have wondered for a long time why they won't go gay if women are so terrible, like women went lesbian in protest in the past, and I say, but they are going gay. Just an idea though because I haven't set foot in 4chan or any of its offshoots in years, so I don't know what they have mutated into

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Cingulate posted:

Do you have any evidence that people can actually "go gay"? Because from all what we see, there is remarkably little plasticity in what sex one is attracted to.

Don't be so literal

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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hackbunny posted:

Don't be so literal

Cingulate posted:

I went from you saying "people go gay" to saying, people don't usually "go gay".

How could I possibly respond to this

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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I posit that the phrase "going native" is a nonsense because a foreigner can't be native by the very definition of the respective terms, furthermore *massive wet fart*

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Small Frozen Thing posted:

To be fair, half of that was hackbunny.

Someone (Parallel Paraplegic?) theorized that the obsession with "traps" stems from the idea of creating women untainted by innate "dirty" femininity, and I was trying to agree with him. I don't think the alt right is entirely composed of 100% heterosexual men as commonly assumed, I think they have a certain degree of variance, that tends to manifest in unique unhealthy identities like "trap" (the tumblr left doesn't have a monopoly on unique unhealthy identities) because everything has to be framed in a certain ideology

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Small Frozen Thing posted:

I was saying that it wasn't some bizarre right-wing take on "political lesbianism" and almost certainly the other thing

What other outlets for intimacy are left for them though?

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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lol at the guy who makes sure he's always photographed in front of or working on a red mustang

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Which lead to one of my favorite front page articles ever

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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TinTower posted:

There's not that much history, just that Cathy Brennan, renowned TERF, gets very upset when people say she isn't a real goth (to the point of reporting people on Facebook for doing so).

Such a weirdly specific hangup

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Woolie Wool posted:

I believe the technical term is "poser." :colbert:

Of all the things I should have in common with Cathy Brennan...

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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I remember this. The jokes weren't offensive nor funny, they were just tryhard. Which made all the cheerleading from his fans really sad

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Nessus posted:

Not quite: he believes the computer would create another universe with different physical laws.

Now I wonder, is the writer of The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect related to these goobers? It's an interesting book in that it hits all the "technology singularity happens" beats (including the technological god creating another universe with simpler laws), but without all the weird technology worship (replaced with... plenty of other weird stuff)

Jack Gladney posted:

It's the fact that gays are under attack that makes people turn out like that. This killer was on grindr and a regular at the club he shot up.

My favorite part? His dad has been reported as saying he told him not to hurt gay people. What isn't reported as often is that he then segued into "... because god will punish them"

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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divabot posted:

It's a pretty good book. So it only came up on LessWrong in passing. The author mentions singularity issues here a bit, with clear awareness of MIRI as was.

I like this guy! I should re-read the book, I had maybe judged it unfairly the first time I read it. I thought it was a little on the techie wankery side, but I had no idea what true techie wankery was - he clearly cares a lot about the human point of view instead of glossing over it or, you know, outright identifying with the AI. Also I skipped the gore and sex because wtf, but I just finished The Painted Bird and I don't think anything he came up with would faze me anymore

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

"I think the American Health Care System=Human exist as such"

Like a lot, a lot of American works. Universal healthcare will send American writers in a panic

It reminds me of The 10th Victim, a sci-fi comedy/thriller set in a future utopia where wars have been replaced by an international televised bloodsport... but the protagonist can't legally divorce his Italian wife, because when the movie was made, legal divorce in Italy was unimaginable (it was made legal 5 years later, in 1970, and put to a popular vote in 1974 - it was upheld)

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Curvature of Earth posted:

I can't figure out what this sentence means. Could you rephrase that?

The dystopian state of American healthcare makes Americans think that human existence is more about suffering and twists of fate than it actually is

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Woolie Wool posted:

I always preferred the "get killed by barbarians and lose in a few rounds" tactic in those games. :downs:

I tried the "be the barbarians" (Mongols specifically) strategy in the original Civilization once (cavalry units only, no settlers, despotism forever) and sure enough you'll win, but it's so loving boring (and you may want to build a catapult unit once in a while to take on fortified cities). Plus it breaks the game a little in that if you don't do any research, the other civilizations won't either, and they won't expand much, making it even more boring. No-content games that are all about game mechanics really aren't my thing

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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divabot posted:

I note his inexplicable failure to hink the thing he's actually responding to.

Aw, this makes me miss Pandagon. I don't terribly enjoy Amanda's abrasiveness but she can be so loving on point

quote:

He is utterly unwilling to accept that what happened was he overcame a personal problem and instead imagines that he defeated a cabal of man-hating feminists that exist only in his mind.

Jesus, yes. It's not a persuasive article at all (see above re. abrasiveness) but it's not just preaching to the choir. I forgot how good she was

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

You know that episode of DS9 where Bashir and his nerd buddies predict with absolute certainty that they can't beat the dominion so it would be better objectively to just give up now and wait like 300 years for there to be an eventual revolution? Basically that.

They were right, weren't they? If the Bajoran gods hadn't erased the invasion fleet, the Federation would have lost the war

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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High testosterone is overrated. I have really high T and I'm not that tall or big or strong or horny, and in fact I ended up a troon. All high T ever did for me is a big jaw, hobbit feet and hair loss

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Jack of Hearts posted:

That sounds like it would make it better and funnier.

Also, half the Internet is a spinoff from SA at this point, and I feel that it's our God-given right to persecute people who refused to pay :10bux:.

I've skimmed a few threads on there and wow, it's a dull, humorless place. GBS 1.0 humorless, with GBS 2.0 opinions

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Darth Walrus posted:

The charismatic military dictator who overthrows the monarchy at the heroes' behest turning out to be a total loon who abandons his post to go feed people backwards was a bit of a clue.

noblemen :eng101: who let's be honest, probably deserve it

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Lottery of Babylon posted:

Hillary’s nomination speech was in large part urging black people to murder white people

Somehow I doubt this happened

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I don't know why people think she's so bad, I got linked an article interviewing her by a friend who's particularly left on most things and not generally a bad person but who was OUTRAGED at her opinions on videogames where she said things like... "maybe the girl character whose only character trait at all is "likes the color pink" is a bad idea." She wasn't even confrontational about it or call for the mass banning of videogames and deportation of all waifus or whatever, she just pointed things out and suggested ways in the future that videogame developers could make women characters better :shrug:

She gives off a "scolding mother" vibe IMO, a lot of people are reacting to that

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Goon Danton posted:

It's really hard for any woman to criticize anything in any way without being perceived as a "scolding mother" or "alpha bitch" by a huge swath of the population through no fault of their own. The trouble is explaining that falls into the category of criticism, so you get caught in judgment loop.

Personal anecdote: there were two managers at a plant I used to work at: the man who would openly fantasize about running over his workers with a truck if they decided to strike, and a woman who would tell people to do their jobs when people were not doing their jobs. Guess who got the reputation for being a psychotic ball buster!

I'll leave this here:



Reminder that Eric Berne didn't attach a value judgement to the terminology of transactional analysis, so being in the Child state doesn't mean being childish (negative), but emotional (neutral)

This reminds me I really have to finish Games People Play

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Not to get all :godwin: here, but "The Iron Dream" (a very, very gay book throughout) ends with a race of perfect, all-male Aryan supermen colonizing the galaxy as the endpoint of Nazism. You're going to say, bah, a postmodern deconstruction of Hitler, they're a dime a dozen, but yesterday I found out about "Swastika Night", a novel that:

quote:

takes place seven hundred years after Nazism achieved power, by which time Adolf Hitler is worshiped as a god. Though no major character is a woman, the story concentrates on the oppression of women, portraying the Nazis as homosexual misogynists. Christians are marginalized, Jews eliminated, and women disfranchised — deprived of all rights.

And it was written in 1937

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Can someone fill me in on Black Lives Matter? Why are they so feared? I haven't been paying a lot of attention, but it seems to me they do standard protestor stuff. Some people make them sound like a terrorist organization (they can't be that dangerous or the FBI would have already COINTELPROed them to death)

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Anime pillows are unrealistic, none of them looks horrified/about to cry

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Mineaiki posted:

Wow, the division of Germany is super arbitrary. Also lol at Estonia being on that map. They had a major problem after the fall of the USSR deciding if they were even a real people or not.

I like how the Italian country of "Padania", literally "the land of the Po river", starts from the mountain range where the Po valley ends. The whole division of Italy doesn't make any loving sense, anyway, it's based on current regions in the north and more or less arbitrary in the rest of the country. See this map of Italian dialects for comparison:

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

The bottom line here is that even if there is an unethical collusion of game creators and gaming journalism that's rampant in the industry, it's not actually sane to devote yourself to fighting injustice in reviews of Grand Theft Auto to the degree anyone who describes themselves as Gamergate did.

Like the dirty secret is that even if Zoe Quinn hosed someone to get a good review of her game, it really isn't worth getting angry about for more than five minutes, let alone years

I agree with Phil Sandifer: Gamergate seems like they want reviews to be exclusively buying guides, no critical analysis allowed. They seem to argue that even having favorite games is a little lame. I doubt they seriously believe any of this, because literally no gamer on Earth thinks like that: would anyone play games if they didn't get a little irrational, emotional, personal kick out of it? Does anyone seriously believe that this personal experience with games (or anything else) should be a taboo? Can a review ever be "objective"?

I'll take advantage of the fact that Gamergate seems to have died down to finally say: I didn't like Depression Quest. Choices being unavailable due to depression draining your energy was a cute gimmick that I 100% identified with (witness my E/N walls of text from when I was deep in the hole), but I really disliked the rest. It has an unpleasant scolding tone throughout, even in the "best" ending, and there's clearly a "right" way to play it where every deviation earns you disdain from the game. I'll even admit that, the way I felt like at the time, the idea that my character was in a relationship felt preposterous and a little insulting. I think it could have connected with more people if it had been a little bit better thought out, but "indie game" seems to mean "abandoned forever in a half baked state once the point has been made" so let's just forget about it

On the other hand I liked Gone Home a lot. I just think the father had a more interesting story than the sister did anyone realize that his obsession with the JFK assassination was actually his way of working through the trauma of being molested (?) around the time of the assassination by his crazy uncle? because I didn't but I read an article that made a very good case for it. And what exactly happened, why did he have to live so many years at his uncle's, sleeping in the servant's quarters?. Sadly it seems it was kind of a flop

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Terrible Opinions posted:

Gone Home suffers from a lack of actual proper critique. It has a lot going on but a lot of positive reviews just deal with a very surface level reading of it and most negative reviews just go "not a game lol".

Oh yeah, I was so disappointed by how hard it flopped, how little was said about the game itself for all the noise the controversy around it had made. It didn't even generate much of a fandom, I was so looking forward to fan theories, speculation etc. but in fact I couldn't even find a full, proper timeline. Maybe I'll make one

GunnerJ posted:

Good news, you don't have to like a game shitheads disliked to not be a shithead.

You kid but the topic was literally untouchable in the early stage of Gamergate. I had played the game before the "scandal", was underwhelmed (let's be honest, Zoe Quinn is no Emily Short), and I couldn't snarkily dismiss it. It was torture!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Really? I was under the impression it did pretty well for the kind of small-budgeted indie game it was and it seems to have done well enough for the studio that made it to come back with Gone Home In Spaaaaaaaace Tacoma

So it sold but I don't get the impression that it's a particularly beloved game

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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When I see these things I always look for abortion and pet welfare and I'm never disappointed

I'll have a hearty lol at the "against hentai" and the total lack of mention of ponies, anime and videogames. That, the mention of fluoridation and circumcision and the fact it's clearly about "ironpill" and not alt right as a whole make me think it's a subtle troll, meant to make people flame each other over the stupid little controversies (you know that right now, somewhere, there's a circumcision derail about this image)

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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I have no doubt what the author of the image really believes, support for pet welfare is an oddly good predictor of fascism (don't ask me why). Opposition for abortion seals the deal

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Tesseraction posted:

Hitler loved animals and was a vegetarian. That's literally it.

Said this way it sounds like a bad joke or a stereotype, but no, look at the animal welfare associations in Italy and they're all former neofascists

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Yes but do other facists do it because hitler did it or did hitler do it because it's an intrinsic behavior of fascists :aaaaa:

Yeah what I'm wondering is if it's actually part of their beliefs or just a dogwhistle

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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SolTerrasa posted:

ask me later if you want to know why

another story, ask me later

Is it late enough now

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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It seems that everyone finds it hilarious and/or sad when artificial "intelligence" makes mistakes... but if the mistake happens to confirm a common prejudice, suddenly some people jump to defend the machine as perfectly rational and unbiased and why would you program PC prejudices into it. Except of course we always program prejudices in our machines. A recent example I've found: remember this XKCD strip?



Admit it, it's a beautiful idea. The machine makes your day weirder by introducing you, for cheap, to things you'd never have looked up for yourself. It sounds so good that some people made a business of it. Except, I want you to try it for yourself. Go ahead, go on eBay and search for $1 items with free shipping. Notice anything? See how "$1 items with free shipping" gets you an endless stream of utterly worthless garbage? Now, this isn't a machine learning issue, but it is a perfect example of the same lack of imagination that makes you choose a biased training set. There's an unwritten assumption that "$1 items" are going to be interesting or useful or cool, because the author's mental image of eBay is of a place with interesting, useful or cool stuff, because he went on eBay specifically to look for interesting, useful, cool stuff, and so he never saw the boring, pointless and overpriced crap that makes up the majority of the stuff for sale

The aforementioned business? they know this, and they try filtering and categorizing, but they still end up mailing people mostly crap, as people on these very forums found out. Some people suspect that eBay sellers specifically set up overpriced-but-cheap poo poo items to be bought by bots, which isn't farfetched at all, because one of the biases that people inevitably program in their systems is that people will play along and not try to gently caress with them. You know how a lot of people trust Uber and Uber drivers more than taxi cabs? rumor has it that Uber drivers coordinate to go offline during big events, and then go back online at the same time, to manufacture scarcity and trigger Uber's surge pricing algorithm

None of this is new or a surprise, we always have a good laugh at how dumb machines are when it happens, but add emotional baggage and tribalism and suddenly everyone forgets and makes excuses for "the cold equations". "Maybe it's because black people really are harder to see", "maybe East Asians really have eyes so narrow they might as well be closed", "maybe black people really do look like gorillas" etc. and I want to ask loving really? When in your entire life have you ever had difficulty making out the facial features of a black person, much less mistook them for another species? If we all were dark-skinned we wouldn't even be having this discussion, it would be a given that the insurmountable issues with shooting dark skinchocolate, walnut furniture and black horses with good contrast would have been solved

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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SolTerrasa posted:

photo labs were literally calibrated using a stock image of a white woman in a black dress

and literally labeled NORMAL



And don't forget




It should be an uncontroversial statement that the perception of skin color is pretty biased

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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Somfin posted:

gently caress. gently caress. I'm hip! I'm woke! I'm wary of the powers that be! How did I reach my mid twenties without noticing this?

The privilege is real and it is loving insidious.

You kid, but if you image search for "skin colored bandaid", nowadays, most of the result are of either bandaids available in several skin tones, or a new experimental bandaid that slowly becomes invisible as it picks up your skin color (I wonder if it actually works that good). It was hard to find a candid photo of a "white" bandaid on a black person, the idea has gone mainstream. It wasn't always like this

MizPiz posted:

I know we're only looking at six of the photos, but I think the fact they're all attractive should be noted.

You have to go to extra lengths to hire an "unattractive" model. Even then, they'll likely be "hollywood ugly" i.e. unusual or older rather than actually ugly

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

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MizPiz posted:

I just figured they were essentially using whatever photos they could find. Bottom one looks more like a personal portrait than professionally shot photo. Would like to know how they chose the photos and see the men's photos just to get a comparison.

No, Kodak hired models for grueling multi-day sessions of staring unblinkingly at the camera while massive studio lights were pointed right at them. Models would be given days off to rest their eyes. Kodak no longer amounts to much but back then they were the color film manufacturer, if they didn't make the stock photos nobody else could because they held a monopoly, which makes the unfortunate way their film captured black skin even more egregious. I wasn't even kidding about chocolate and walnut furniture, they apparently only made film that could capture a high range of browns after their commercial clients complained they couldn't photograph dark chocolate and dark wood right. Kodak introduced this new film by obliquely stating that it could be used to take photos of black horses in low light. Seriously, read the first article linked by InediblePenguin

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