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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



divabot posted:

Anyone got anything interesting to say on Lauren Southern? I've heard the name in passing but know only what's in the RW article.

My only real exposure to her was this video which popped up on my Recommendations list several months ago because God hates me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTiHVzOH9B0

Did you know all societal progress since the 70s is bad and evil because the Cultural Marxists were behind it?

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



What is it with Libertarians liking old time governments? I just recently read some guy named Hoppe who fellated monarchy and Stefan Molyneux masturbated to the Roman Empire.

"I want small government that will stay out of everyone's lives which is why I worship societies where the government could have come along and stabbed everyone in the face any time it wished."

If you're sort of super Conservative/Traditionalist, fine. But Libertarianism still baffles me.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



So I was looking at RationalWiki which has expanded pages for some of my "favorites." The page on Sargon now has a video of him saying to fellow faux-liberal Dave Rubin that "There's is no denying that Black people on average have a lower distribution of a lower distribution of IQ "
https://youtu.be/siLeJOIxYVM?t=34m30s

I knew misogyny generally goes hand-in-hand with racism but this level of honesty from Carl about his ideas is surprising.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Sorry, can I go back to this for a second and maybe request some help?

Oligopsony posted:

Yeah, the actual measured distribution isn't particularly controversial; the relevant points of contention are etiology (genetics, nutrition, stereotype threat, whatever) and how successfully IQ measures track in-world reasoning capabilities, whether g makes sense theoretically, and so on.

The case for a genetic etiology seems pretty weak to me in light of the facts that (1) we know that {whatever standardized tests measure} tend to go up among populations over time, most plausibly connected in some way with economic development, (2) black-white standardized tests have been converging for a while, and were converging more rapidly when their economic positions were converging more rapidly, and (3) finding intelligence-linked SNPs seems to have been a pretty huge dud so far (unless this has massively changed in the last year or so?) (The Flynn effect stuff also seems to urge caution on the "standardized tests really meaningfully measure in-world reasoning capabilities" front, since past generations, and people in many less-developed countries, should barely be able to tie their shoes.) The main thing that gets trotted out in favor, the 50-80% heritability number, mostly seems to elide between the connotative and denotative meaning of heritability.

Can you or anyone else perhaps offer some clarification on all this in the form of books or web essays?

I'm just feeling profoundly...disconcerted in my ignorance because my YT Recommendations are being flooded by "Race Realism" videos. I thought it was all fringe lunatics like was list ed on the first page but there are apparently a lot of mainstream scientists who are apparently into this. They insist environmental factors mean nothing and it is genetic.

But I hate science and always have and I slept through my Science For Dummies high school course which was also 10 years ago. But now I eel obligated to try and learn something about studies and poo poo on intelligence and what the evidence says so I don't feel so..."lost" is the right word maybe?

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Thank you both for your replies. I gotta bookmark that Google Docs link, so much to read but it is nice to have all that info at my disposal.

Also I should have clarified. The only "mainstream scientist" I saw on YT was Steven Pinker who was in a video called Being Afraid of Race Realism or something like that I just saw it in my Recommendations, didn't watch it. But he's apparently a big name so I wasn't sre what to think.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Can someone tell me more about this Big Yud guy?

The linked song and Wiki make him sound like a kook but not a horrible racist kook which I thought this thread was mainly about.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Thank you for the replies everyone. But now I want to read this "Neoreaction A Basilisk" book. Where can I buy it?

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Peel posted:

So far it's only legally available to backers of the associated kickstarter. Sandifer is preparing a general release with some bonus essays (TERFs, gamergate, Austrian econ, lizard people) for later this year, I forget when.

Sounds like it's even better than the original. I'll definitely have to remember to get this.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Neon Noodle posted:

The soft right wing in the U.S. has proven to be resilient because it tolerates all sorts of internal contradictions rather well. Far-right movements arise every now and again (I'm thinking particularly of the John Birch society) and they certainly have an impact, but they tend to break down because they're too paranoid. When your ideology is based on conspiracies and purity instead of on a set of discrete social goals, eventually your group will splinter and devour itself. Nobody can ever be white enough or nationalist enough. The Catholics are never going to fit into ethnonationalism.

The GOP has the right idea -- screw ideological purity and cynically embrace whatever useful minorities will help you advance your agenda. Forgive hypocrites immediately as long as they return to the fold.

That is the greatest difference between Left and Right. It's practically a running joke that people on the Left can never rally agree on anything and are so obsessed with ideological purity that we get nothing done.

Yay for principles.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



I figure I might as well ask this here. Lately I've been learning more about the Alt-Right and white supremacist stuff in general.

Firstly, the Dark Enlightenment is a separate thing from the Alt-Right, correct? Elsewhere we were discussing what exactly the Alt-Right are because "Nazi" isn't a really helpful description beyond knowing they are scumbag white nationalists. But there are a lot of scumbag white nationalists who aren't Nazis so we were trying to pin down what exactly they believe. The Alt-Right doesn't seem to favor Traditionalism, unlike the Nazis and DE.

Secondly, when thinking about the differences between these groups, I have to wonder why you don't hear more about conflicts within their community/movement? "White Nationalism" is an inherently mindless, soulless ideology below even Nazi race theories because "white" isn't a thing. The Nazis would not consider German white guys on the same level as Anglo-Saxon white guys and for the other side, there was a lot of anti-German racism during World War 1. So I just don't understand why you don't hear more about, say, Neo Nazis throwing down with the KKK. On top of differing race hierarchies, The Klan were supposed to be WASP incarnate and Neo Nazis, if they are any religion, seem to be Neopagans. Radical Christians and racial pagans probably shouldn't get along for any number of reasons.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



See I never thought the Alt-Right had anything to do with the militia crowd. My experience with the Alt-Right is they're a bunch of computer nerds and would quite frankly be eaten alive if they messed with real racist gangs or organizations. It's like how I was glancing at Richard Spencer's Wiki profile and saw that he had nothing but college degrees in social sciences. (this struck me as quite amusing given that my encounters with the Alt-Right and Neoreactionaries is they all think "soft science" is the mark of an indoctrinated libtard who knows nothing compared to HARD SCIENTISTS who know that it's scientific fact that colored people and women are inferior to white men)

I figured the DE crowd were mostly like, I dunno, Monarchists. That's at least kind of sensible for a bunch of pampered guys who like to sit around talking about their inferiors. The problem with Fascism is it's almost uniquely hostile to philosophy or professional intellectuals. If you aren't out there getting elbow deep in the glorious blood of battle, you're less than worthless.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Improbable Lobster posted:

It makes no sense to read Yud's comment as having anything to do with pizzagate at all. Especially since we know that the actual context is "child porn is no biggie and shame on people for being upset that Putin used it to sabotage people".

Actuallly...it reads a lot more confusing than that, at least to me.

He's saying getting overly outraged about child porn is bad precisely because it enables Putin to oppress people. We all know that pedophile is one of the most destructive accusations around so he tangles that up with saying Putin exploits this fact to destroy dissidents.

It's really weird, unless I am just misunderstanding something.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



sexpig by night posted:

So Bari Weiss did her usual thing of profiling the right and claiming they're being censored and shut out but this time she focused on our friends on the 'intellectual dark web' because apparently constant unfiltered speaking gigs, shows, and paid events is actually censorship if they involve someone saying 'you guys suck'.

It's not all smiles and sunshine, though!

Poor Gad didn't make the list! I guess you can say Gad...Sad?

https://twitter.com/AubreyHolloman/status/993926957803896836

Also the article itself isn't worth posting, it's the generic 'these guys SAY they're being oppressed, so aren't they?' that Weiss always shits out when it's about well off white people, but it involved maybe the best photo shoot possible for these nerds

https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/993959953504395265

I just read this opinion piece.The words "Dave Rubin" and "renegade" don't belong in the same article. I can't even comprehend the level of delusion necessary to think that.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Wasn't Highschool of the Dead just about zombies? Or was there something more overtly Far Right about it?

I know some people think zombie apocalypse fiction is inherently right wing because the government collapses and only the one guy who stocked up on machineguns survives thus "proving them all wrong" but wasn't Romero's stuff all anti-capitalism?


divabot posted:

Trouble is, anime is on-topic for this thread. The answer to "wtf" in DE and Rationalism is always anime.

I had no idea anime was inspiredby Descartes and Spinoza. Anime seemed pretty hardcore Existentialist considering it's practicallya cliche to havean anime villain who wants to make a collectivist utopia or eradicate individuality to create happiness and peace or whatnot.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Darth Walrus posted:

The parents of one of the main characters in HSOTD were heroic far-right nationalists (directly compared to snivelling, cowardly lefties in the chapters they showed up in), and several prominent Korean celebrities had unflattering cameos.

Interesting, thank you.

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And remember that anime is a medium, not a genre. It’s literally just ‘all animated stories from Japan’. Assigning a single philosophy to all of it is extremely dumb and faintly racist.

I completely agree. I was just trying to poke fun at the last few posts in here who I hope were just playing around themselves.

"Anime" is usually a bland general impression of "pretty boys" and "soft core little girl porn" and, I guess, nationalism has been added to the stereotype.

But, well,, everybody knows Berserk. My generation grew up with stuff like Cowboy Bebop or Trigun. Everyone should be fully aware that "Anime" is a meaningless stereotype.

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Munin posted:

To bring this popular media pontificating full circle to dudes who think MLP is fascist. It is amazing what DE types will read into media.

To them it is obvious truth to everyone else they wonder what substance they are abusing or what planet they're on.

I think that's just how conspiracy theorists are. I remember I was once looking at random news channels on YT and it was around the time of one of the terrorist attacks in France. A guy was being interviewed and said, bold as you please, it was all a false flag from NATO. They've been doing it for decades he calmly explained and everyone knows it. It's like saying we need oxygen to breathe.

I wondered about this but apparently it's just how their mind works. They don't see how crazy they are.

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