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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Aurini's made a conversation between the two of them available!.



In a twist, it turns out Tub Beast is the reasonable one.

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Remember Neanderthal guy from earlier in the thread?

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3UCX1Z3AIH722/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Morkyz posted:

http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8318-too-redpill-for-redpill/

there people are literally goons, down to the "cuck" and "im gay"

Yeah that's a spinoff of a spinoff of a forum dedicated to complaining about goons.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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I don't understand why we're talking about ironic racism, because the racism of the people this thread is about is neither ironic, nor pretending to be.

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Aug 13, 2011

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Jerry Manderbilt posted:

This is two months late, but the New York Times hired (and within a week or two, let go of) Razib Khan, an "evolutionary race realist". Is he one of these neoreactionary clowns?

He hangs out with them, talks to them on twitter, and shows up on their blogrolls. So pretty much, yeah.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Pope Guilty posted:

As far as I can tell he's just a racist jerk. He doesn't seem to be into monarchy, extreme proprietarianism, or any other neoreactionary bugbears other than psuedoscientific racism.

He's one of those guys who was part of a pre-existing group of thinking man's klansmen but is now friendly with nerd fascists. Like Steve Sailer or John Derbyshire.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Pope Guilty posted:

Sailer and Derbyshire are just old-school Republican racists in the William F. Buckley vein, though, and I'd connect them to neoconservatism rather than neoreaction.

Sure, politically but they post in the comments section of NRx blogs, so I'd say they're involved with the sphere even if they don't draw from it.


I'm sure some Neo-reactionary has a chart or graph of exactly where they fall on the neoconservative/neoreactionary spectrum though!

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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http://www.hestiasociety.org/site/about/official-statement-on-the-leadership-of-nrx/ New schism!

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Well at any rate, he's not a neo-reactionary outside of them including him in lists of "insight porn".

At any rate, the point of posting the article was to show that they formulated some kind of NRx leadership just to throw some people out of their internet movement.

It's like the Night Of Long Knives but with unfollowing people on twitter.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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coyo7e posted:

I worked at a psych research center for a good while and they did a lot of studies around this stuff. In every peer reviewed study which I am aware of, they found a direct correlation between cortisol (stress hormone) levels being higher, and people having a more difficult time delaying gratification when given a choice - even when they are aware of a superior potential outcome down the road, be it more candy for waiting a few minutes, or more money for turning down a small fee, in lieu of a larger reward being given weeks later. Stress levels are generally abnormally high among the children of first-generation immigrants, the poor, etc.

See, that's an explanation that doesn't glorify white nerds. What kind of SJW mindkilled prog are you?

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I developed in a great household with two loving parents and no problems and I still wound up being a fat lovely impulsive lamewad. Checkmate, science :smug:





oh. :smith:

It doesn't matter what you've actually done, it matters how high the numbers you get on this glorified phrenology test are. If the numbers are high, any success you don't achieve is due to the Jewluminati keeping you down.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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neonnoodle posted:

But don't you remember that psychology was invented by the decadent Jews like Freud (and his evil cousin Edward Bernays), and is a vital part of Frankfurt School philosophy?!!??!

This is an important point. We in the Dark Enlightenment should strive to only accept those parts of psychology blessed by statistics or evo-psych.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Check out the new controversy that has reactos in a tizzy.

http://www.donotlink.com/ffl6

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Dangit Ronpaul posted:

neoreactionaries: kicking people out of polite society for their political views is totally cool and good, unless it's being done to me by people I don't agree with

Wouldn't be the first time internet idiots didn't really understand the concepts of censorship and free speech.

Although I think the thing is that they know that their ideal society would not involve freedom of expression and thought, but they also know that the fact that the current society values it lets them play the victim.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Toph Bei Fong posted:

Yeah, pretty much.

David Auerbach's article in Slate about it is hilariously bad, too.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/06/curtis_yarvin_booted_from_strange_loop_it_s_a_big_big_problem.html


The decision to toss Yarvin is foolish but not because it’s censorship. By making the issue about Yarvin being a “distraction,” Miller has created a perverse incentive. By that logic, anyone could get tossed from the conference if enough people object for any reason at all. Miller admits as much when he says he hasn’t even read Yarvin’s political writing. (I can’t blame him.) Ergo, make enough noise, and you can get your target kicked out of Strange Loop. This is the mentality of “no platforming,” as it’s known in the U.K., a tactic that was once used to exclude (sensibly, in my opinion) National Front members from public life but has now become so widespread that even the hard-left New Statesman is objecting to the practice. If the problem is, as Miller wrote to Yarvin, that people’s “reactions are overshadowing the talk and acting as a distraction,” then all objectors need to do is create a distraction to get a presenter thrown out.

"First, they came for the nazis, and I said nothing, because I was not a nazi..."
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Friend of Gamergate David Auerbach who writes long blog posts complaining about Wikipedia editing wars? Say it ain't so!

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Etalommi posted:

Scott Alexander is pretty explicitly not neoreactionary though, and Eliezer pointed towards his anti writings when asked about the subject.

Don't get me wrong, they have plenty of other failings, but that's not one. The SSC commentariat is gross and getting worse, though.

He's not a neoreactionary, but he quotes them a lot, references their blogs, and treats them as smarter than pretty much all other political commentators because of their meta-level insights or whatever.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Woolie Wool posted:

Does anyone have any thoughts on this article comparing and contrasting the rationalist movement, libertarians, and the Dork Enlightenment? The basic thesis seems to be that all three are forms of anti-political politics created because nerds are too :spergin: to understand, accept, or do politics so they want to replace politics with mechanistic systems following rigid rule systems (respectively, logic, the free market, and :hitler:, distorted and fetishized into forms completely divorced from reality). I think he gives them way too much slack, though. Someone like Moldbug isn't really very smart, he is a stupid person's idea of what smart people write like.

I'm just reminded that of all rationalists, Yudkowsky had the best reaction to Moldbug because he was able to form the idea that Moldbug might be biased and not purely interpreting cold hard evidence and coming to rational conclusions.

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Aug 13, 2011

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Merdifex posted:

Nydwracu is the foremost neoreactionary / formalist thinker after Moldbug.




Merdifex posted:

If you know Scott Alexander then you'd know how big of a platform he gave neoreactionaries, being probably one of a few people who takes neoreaction seriously.

His most recent article was about NRx too. I wonder if he gets tired writing huge articles about how the truth is in the middle between far-rightism and the center-left.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Merdifex posted:

Have you seen his tumblr? He follows and talks to no one but a select bunch of NRx and rationalists. Wesley included.

Blah blah blah you're just using guilt by association to blah blah blah

There, Scott, if you're reading this, I just saved you a lot of time typing out your 12 part response.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Merdifex posted:

I don't know, maybe you can check out his tumblr to see how high the pile of poo poo stacks. But then again, it's mostly him complaining about his lovely position in life (which is caused by the communist USG who just hate white men like him.)

I thought Countersignal was his tumblr name.

I mean, he changes it a lot.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Production posted:

Wesley Morganston, in character as a precocious but overly precious young Wes Anderson, in the Wes Anderson biopic, written and directed by Wes Anderson.

Let's be fair here. Wes Anderson graduated college. Wesley Morganston got kicked out of college for being too racist.

Said college let a guy who made bomb threats stay enrolled, incidentally.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Good news, you can hear him read it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aa2UJX_EpQ

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Aug 13, 2011

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neonnoodle posted:

Thank you for this. From now on I'm going to imagine that Moldbug is Aram Fingal, with an irrational hatred of anteaters.

Let's be honest here, he's totally the Chairman

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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divabot posted:

Nobody actually approves of gay marriage, this is all just propaganda. I'm just asking questions.

ClarkHat is the lesser Popehat. Has he explicitly come out neoreactionary yet, or is he still pulling an SSC and just spending all his time hanging out with them and talking about their ideas?

He's WAY more into it than even SSC guy is.

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Aug 13, 2011

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DarklyDreaming posted:

Someone described it to me as "Cultural Marxism is what you call it when capitalism and democracy are still the law of the land, but they don't work exclusively for you anymore" and that makes sense to me.

See also the anger every time a Pax Dickinson or Chuck C Johnson sees any kind of penalty for spewing bullshit.

The Vosgian Beast
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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Be careful though, making fun of the appearance of people like the dude above, who, it should be noted, wrote a blogpost about how women who suffer domestic abuse always deserve it, instantly makes you much worse than them.

Scott Alexander says so.

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Aug 13, 2011

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divabot posted:

I met Scott Alexander a few years ago. Despite the increasingly unremitting awfulness of his blog, he's actually ridiculously nice in person. He projects a Niceness Field that increases the surface tone of all conversations around him, and makes you feel bad about calling him out unless you can make a really good argument right then and there in real time. This may explain how his blog got like it did: I hypothesise that nobody he's on speaking terms with will tell him to his face when he's full of it, so he assumes the Internet response is an aberration.

You wouldn't have a link handy to the precise post where Scott says that, perchance? Does he say it about Forney specifically, or just nerdy-looking misogynists in general? I could dredge through SSC for it myself, but you understand I'd rather stab myself in the face. Also feminism is literally Voldemort, per this Tumblr post Scott thought was mean.

He seems nice in a Into The Woods "You're not good, you're not bad, you're just nice" way.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/23/links-1114-i-link-therefore-i-am/ Here it is. Scott gets angry at people for making negative comments about a guy who jumped on the gamergate bandwagon to promote his political goals.

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Aug 13, 2011

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divabot posted:

Hah. Commenter calls him out for talking obvious bollocks, is inexplicably not refuted 'cos I think he's nailed Scott's essential problem: he literally doesn't comprehend the arguments of people opposing him, so constructs truly weird strawman versions of them that he then proudly slays. I recall him doing this to Arthur Chu and Laurie Penny (who I'm sure was appropriately appreciative of the Neoreactionary Dating Agency bit in the last three paragraphs of this epic bilge).

I've noticed that when he wants to draw an equivalency between NRx and anyone left of center, he'll use as his example of NRx thinking some frequent blog commenter or another, and for his examples of the excesses of social justice warriors he uses... anonymous commenters on news articles that he's read.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Sooner or later he's going to end up saying something really hideous about Charleston or Ferguson.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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The fact that there's a guy who calls himself anarcho-papist will never not be funny to me.

I remember a little while ago he posted a picture of his keyboard, and it turned out to be the most disgusting thing ever.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Merdifex posted:

Interesting Scott Alexander quote here:


Herrnstein and Murray are the authors of The Bell Curve, for posterity.

That's actually a quote by Nostalgebraist, it just looks like it's Scott because of the formatting.

The debate between Nostalgebraist and Lambdaphagy is fun, because the latter is either genuinely unaware of how fascist and weird they are, or being insanely disingenuous

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Of all people, Yudkowsky kind of had the best reaction to Moldbug, in that he's the only one who realized that Moldbug might not be approaching his political thinking with 100% pure open-minded empiricism.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Miri was a pretty good episode of Star Trek.

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Aug 13, 2011

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Merdifex posted:

Wesley here seems to have an actually meaningful criticism of Gawker and affiliates.

LOL

In my day, being purged meant being sent to a Siberian gulag where you were worked until you collapsed, feeling cold snow on your face right before a bullet penetrated the back of your head.

Now it appears to mean "getting criticized on the internet".

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

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Neo-Reactionaries are convinced a lame clickbait site is the new face of Stalinism, and it's great.

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Aug 13, 2011

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Woolie Wool posted:

Have there been any juicy Dork Enlightenment meltdowns over Obergefell v. Hodges?

Yup http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/122796150058/jeysiec-severnayazemlya-oh-i-assumed-you

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Aug 13, 2011

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I like gawker and the rest of the kinja krew for their uncanny ability to piss off nerds about everything :allears:

If you look at people like Pax Dickinson or Chuck C Johnson being fired and think "I'm next" it probably says more about you than Gawker.

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divabot posted:

The dorkiest bit of the Dork Enlightenment is the intersection between ye olde Neoreactionaries and actual loving Nazis. NRx with some dogwhistle words or WN with jargon like "Cathedral". I was just stunned by this rambling bilge ("WN is just another mutation of multiculturalism") and momentarily bluescreened when I got halfway through and saw the literal claim "I'm not even racist."

So today I was redpilled with the fact that there therefore appears to be no loving stance possible that actually constitutes loving racism. None.

(Except pointing out someone else's apparently-racist-but-actually-:biotruths: behaviour, of course, which everyone knows constitutes real racism. As opposed to race realism.)

This is what neo-reactionaries actually believe racism is http://ask.fm/St_Rev/answer/127008449790

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

This is what neo-reactionaries actually believe racism is http://ask.fm/St_Rev/answer/127008449790

Let me just illustrate this: you can support cop violence against blacks on the basis that American blacks descended from slaves brought over from Sub-Saharan Africa have lower general IQs and have a violent culture and it's the only way to ensure peace, and you can still not be a racist under this definition because you are not positing immutable indwelling essences.

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