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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Cingulate posted:

It's as if he had written that thing in 2007, only he didn't.

He probably read this in September 2008 and still had it as a "cached thought". You really have to read it, it helped prime the LW-sphere to love NRx (and has a pile of NRx in the comments).

Oh, LessWrongers on whether or not to use their own made-up pseudophilosophical terms: "Is this really a good reference on common sense vs. cached thought? How does this reference clarify the concept of cached thought? Philosophy is suspect by default."

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Night10194 posted:

This is basically the most pathetic thing I've ever read.
I can't tell if he's begging for the scraps so they'll notice him(which if I recall, that's what Yud lives off of, isn't it? Isn't he funded by Peter Thiel?)or it's just the desire for a comforting world where Very Smart People make Very Hard Decisions to fix everything.

Note commenter mtraven pointing out the elites had literally just hosed up stupendously. His comment is downvoted to -1. Later he would write this essay on libertarians, neoreactionaries and "rationalists".

This was mentioned here in Ye Olde LW Mock Thread. To quote one response:

Namarrgon posted:

I especially like the part where he first emphasizes on how these CEOs are totally not there on power of charisma and further on admits that he doesn't remember any revelation but it was the general feeling.
No doublethink there.

And in conclusion, we must all use the phrase "sparkly power elite" more often.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Moldbug's The magic of symmetric sovereignty (19 May 2007) is one of his early works. You can tell because it's short, comprehensible and gets its point across in 1,666 words, rather than barely getting started in that much space.

Its thesis is that totalitarian sovereignty would work well in certain conditions. Its arguments are made of handwaves and holes, but the interesting bit is the libertarian-style thinking: in which all the hard bits of politics, and why humans are complicated, are handwaved away because he wants his reasoning to work so much.

In this regard, it's useful as a microcosm of his rambling epics and a guide to the bad thinking therein: if something looks like an insufficiently-explained logical leap, don't assume he'll get around to properly explaining himself later. He thinks like the libertarian he used to be, or how reading too much Yudkowsky trains you to think about LessWrong (where you keep assuming the references to references to references will at some point resolve to something clearly explained and well-supported, which of course never happens). Whereas the actual foundations of his beliefs are being a Silicon Valley smugularity.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Reddit poster in /r/newright, reposted with approval on More Right:

quote:

Similarly, Western culture refuses to acknowledge that break ups are traumatic. We all notice the symptoms, but refuse to connect cause and effect. We find that increasing numbers of young women are anorexic or go to the plastic surgeon to slice off their genitals, but we don't question whether this could have anything to do with boyfriends who have plenty of comparison material and alternative girls to go to. Boys on the other hand become "manorexic" and spend their days in the gym.

Emphasis mine. Even in crazy eats-glue-with-big-words language, I have no loving idea what he's talking about there. Nobody in the sub, or in the several subs it was reposted to with approval, question this claim either. Labiaplasty exists, but there are no "increasing numbers" of it, and particularly not amongst the baby boomers he's talking about - most press coverage is extremely recent and is plastic surgeons trying to drum up business. edit: in comments on the original post, someone deconstructs the genital claim. "The author uses made up words, pseudo science claims and unclear wording to try and make it look like it has meaning but all that does is prevents any real debunking. The only time the author comes close to a real claim that can be researched the evidence is pretty solidly against the authors claimed cause and effect relationship."

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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These loving people and their obsession with a BIG BLACK MAN who will CUCKOLD them!!

LessWrong gets a fair bit of play as the neoreactionary incubator, but to be fair OvercomingBias, where the LessWrong Sequences originally ran, was and is hugely friendly to NRx tropes. Particularly cuckoldry, which Robin Hanson has much important information on. Women rarely rape men, but they do cuckold them, after all. And he'd just like to explicitly equate the two, in answer to you foolish irrational humans who are not GMU econ professors. Searching the blog for the word "cuckold" finds many revelatory posts.

(I will give Hanson important points over the typical LW or NRx: he has genuine degrees he actually earnt and shows signs of expertise, at least in his field itself. But Jesus H. Yudkowsky, how the gently caress is this guy still married.)

The RationalWiki article needs more on the OB/Hanson link to early NRx, but that may well need the help of someone who was reading at the time (I only started late 2010).

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

They're alphas who totally get laid all the time though, the ladies cannot get enough of dudes like this.


The important point is that those guys are not only obviously huge-penised testosterone hydrants, but unbeatably l33t gamers too.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Sleeveless posted:

It's also a Gamergate thing, since the whole thing was kicked off by a dude's girlfriend cheating on him the cuck meme is this weird dogwhistle that sprung up in its wake.

Yeah, basically it was an occasional concept in NRx and a big one in men's rights activism (and I want to know how Hanson ended up doing quite so much hard thinking on the topic), then channers started using "cuck" as a generic term of abuse and the white-nationalist/channer end of NRx uses the word pretty much continuously.

I will credit the pompous Moldbuggians for not bothering with Gamergate. The alt-right end, who are basically Nazis anyway, are of course right into it. Weev, you top fellow.

(I would not believe even the original claim that she cheated on him. Pretty much no Gator claim checks out, even the plausible ones. If a Gator says the sky is blue, make drat sure you look out the window.)

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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From the old thread, how the Rationalists actually think through real problems. I think we might be lucky they consider "politics is the mind killer":

Patter Song posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/23wmr4/repost_from_askreddit_because_i_figure_the/

So, on the subreddit discussing Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, someone posed the question asking if you were to wake up and find it June 1st, 1942 and that you'd taken the place of Adolf Hitler, what would you do.

I have never seen people fail a morality test so loving hard before. A good two thirds/three quarters of the responses are attempts to minmax Nazi Germany into an unstoppable juggernaut fueled by 21st century science, and the people who say things about trying to sabotage the war effort are laughed off.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Oh. And try very hard, if I do lose WW2, to make sure Eugenics is not tainted quite so strongly by association with Nazi Germany.

yes thanks Mr LessWronger that'll be all for today door's over there no no don't call us

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Scott proposes, Eliezer follows through, LessWrong comments: Construct an interesting fictional eugenics program!

The comments are the usual delight. Konkvistador is the first to say buttcoin "dysgenic". Those too stupid to donate to MIRI Dumb people can be kept from breeding using videogames, sexbots and robot kids, because you will see LW literally not understanding why people have children.

(Add some schoolgirl-rape-victim-bots of course, this is LW after all. "Meh. Rape play is pretty common.")

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Antivehicular posted:

Why is it always catgirls with these assholes?

The answer is always "anime". I didn't really understand the "I simulate you simulating me simulating you ..." bit of Timeless Decision Theory as applied to Roko's Basilisk until I read Death Note, and Light and L ... simulate each other simulating each other. Oh, how I laughed.

Even with neoreaction, the answer is "anime". Deleted text from the RationalWiki article:

SJW Beta Mangina Shitlib Wiki posted:

Technologically advanced yet aristocratic factions fighting against corrupt, bloated democracies is an incredibly popular trope in Japanese sci-fi anime, ''c.f.'' the antagonists of most ''Gundam'' shows (particularly ''F91'''s Cosmo Babylonia or the Rommefeller Foundation from ''Wing''), or the more sympathetically portrayed Empire in ''Legend of the Galactic Heroes''. Given the average age and nerdiness of the typical neoreactionary blogger, many of them would have seen the US broadcast of ''Gundam Wing'' (a series infamous for its characters' love of absurd speechifying) during their formative years. Given the neoreactionaries' typical dislike of non-whites and utter horror of non-Western cultures influencing their own, that they're wannabe anime villains is hilarious.

Good old James A. Donald writes a suitably neoreactionary smackdown of this indulgent nonsense. It's such a pity for his point that his third paragraph starts "In the course of watching more anime that I should ..."

Googling "neoreaction anime" is a rich seam of comedy pyrites.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Ron Paul Atreides posted:

You're new on the scene but you've really done admirably in the 'find quotes of horrible poo poo' field (pioneered by ...!)
I salute your nonshit posting

Why thank you! I hung out on LessWrong for four years, which is longer than many, and I read the Sequences two or three times and the entirety of LW Main 2007-2012 once. This is because it was entertaining as Internet television. I would not recommend it to others for this purpose unless you are me. I started because a friend was considering signing up for cryonics, which I was actually neutral-to-positive on until I looked further into it and went "what is this BS." I suppose the attraction of LW was a rich seam of people being wrong on the Internet in new and creative ways.

So having done my cultural studies and suffered for my art, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN.

I got to hate neoreaction because gently caress Silicon Valley libertarians, and in particular gently caress the ones on LessWrong. Quite a bit of the stuff I'm posting of late is because I'm actually rereading the LW Mock Thread and finding new old horror or links to new old horror. That thread is a delight and anyone reading through this thread needs to read that one. (I now know all I will ever need to about "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Optimal" without ever having to read the actual thing.)

If we ever get another LW Mock Thread (though with even Yudkowsky largely not bothering any more, only the most dedicated cultists remain), I'll read up on its predecessor, the SL4 list, before Yudkowsky learnt to moderate himself. A lot of the LW regulars were from there, and a lot of the people disparaged on LW pooh-poohed Yudkowsky's great ideas there first. Not a lot of proto-neoreaction there as far as I know, certainly no Yarvin.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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divabot posted:

These loving people and their obsession with a BIG BLACK MAN who will CUCKOLD them!!

LessWrong gets a fair bit of play as the neoreactionary incubator, but to be fair OvercomingBias, where the LessWrong Sequences originally ran, was and is hugely friendly to NRx tropes. Particularly cuckoldry, which Robin Hanson has much important information on. Women rarely rape men, but they do cuckold them, after all. And he'd just like to explicitly equate the two, in answer to you foolish irrational humans who are not GMU econ professors. Searching the blog for the word "cuckold" finds many revelatory posts.

loving Hanson. He is a genuine professor of economics at GMU (thankfully not an Austrian, he politely considers them incoherent) and guess what he does? Make his students do assignments to establish appropriate legal "remedy or damages for cuckold". I don't want to slip into psychoanalysis or relationship analysis over the Internet, but by Gnon the temptation is overwhelming.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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The SSC comments policy of encouraging the best people ever continues to reward!

A neoreactionary Effective Altruist, apparently posted:

tl;dr: I find both effective altruism and neoreaction interesting, and I’m wondering if anyone else feels the same way. I explain why I don’t think EA and NRx are necessarily mutually exclusive, although in practice they are.

Quite a few rationalists identify as effective altruists, and quite a few others identify as neoreactionaries. I sort of identify as an EA and I don’t identify as a neoreactionary, but I find a lot of neoreactionary ideas interesting. I’ve never heard of anyone who likes both, though. I don’t mention my interest in neoreaction to effective altruists (or to anyone, actually), not only because it wouldn’t be well-received, but because advocating an EA approach for controversial causes could really damage the movement’s reputation.

...

One example from the distant past is colonial settlement: it’s probably not something that EAs of several hundred years ago would be in favor of, but looking at the results over a very long period of time, the initial costs to the natives seem very small compared to the eventual benefits to the colonists. There are far more people living in the Americas today than in 1500, so if each person’s moral weight is independent of their date of birth, the well-being of the current population is far more important than the injustices inflicted on past natives.

Genocide and slavery were ultimately good because of all the utilons modern white people, of which there are so many more, have gained from them! When this impeccable logic is questioned, he doubles and triples down, because he's really fond of this idea.

I wonder what gems he'd come out with if he was a neoreactionary.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

They probably think criticism of him is representative of something evil though, similar to criticism of distinguished ethical scholar Phil "Duck Commander" Robertson

He wasn't delighting his fans with torture porn about atheists, in the completely standard style of the genre! No, he was doing moral philosophy. And you must be the real torturepornist for thinking otherwise.

There's principle of charity (I refuse to call it "steelmanning") and then there's being a loving twat.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

It's got to kind of suck to commit yourself to defending every person criticized on a left-wing basis ever.

Someone worked out you could torture eight neoreactionaries forever for every dollar donated, so Scott is now living in a simulation run by ... Roko's Femilisk. (The final boss for Gamergate.)

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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LW: Neo-reactionaries, why are you neo-reactionary?

First comment: "Like so many who fancied ourselves prodigies (I got a 1600 on my SAT, I read Calvin and Hobbes, Encyclopedia Brown, etc.) ..." From the LW thread: "It's a good thing these intellectual titans weren't subject to the dysgenic effects of poor people mixing into their bloodlines."

This is an awesome thread.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Cingulate posted:

If you associate with LessWrong, this should give you pause.

Only a pause to reassure yourself that since you found it on LW, it must be in the approved collection of ideas for cool people like ourselves!!

The very Correct Contrarian around whom you should all consider clustering, JUST SAYING posted:

But there are also simpler things we could do using the same principle. Let's say we want to know whether the economy will recover, double-dip or crash. So we call up a thousand economists, ask each one "Do you have a strong opinion on whether the many-worlds interpretation is correct?", and see if the economists who have a strong opinion and answer "Yes" have a different average opinion from the average economist and from economists who say "No".

Believing the same thing about physics that is completely outside your expert topic as the evidence-free fanfic AI researcher speaks directly to how trustworthy you are in the thing you're an actual friggin' expert in. And the measure of this is how shared crank ideas are the medium by which that highly transferable commodity, expertise, is transferred.

loving what.

So yeah. EY/LW put forward that you should believe whatever we do because the cool people believe all this poo poo. And NRx inveighles itself into that.

It does flow the other way, of course. I must note again that MICHAEL ANISSIMOV SERIOUSLY BELIEVES IN ROKO'S BASILISK. Which is totally the white speck on top of the chicken poop.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Oh boy. Everyone needs to read the article at that link.

Michael Vassar isn't a neoreactionary (though he knows them), but is a Rationalist par excellence. Founder of startup MetaMed, whose business model was to give rich foolish people's medical problems to medically-untrained LessWrong alumni who would then solve your problems by sheer force of optimal rationality! Surprisingly, it failed, and they stiffed a lot of people.

Here's Vassar's mindset. It should be familiar to any reader of this thread:

Aspiring wisest human posted:

It was getting late. I asked him about the rationalist community. Were they really going to save the world? From what?

“Imagine there is a set of skills,” he said. “There is a myth that they are possessed by the whole population, and there is a cynical myth that they’re possessed by 10 percent of the population. They’ve actually been wiped out in all but about one person in three thousand.” It is important, Vassar said, that his people, “the fragments of the world,” lead the way during “the fairly predictable, fairly total cultural transition that will predictably take place between 2020 and 2035 or so.”

THE LESSWRONGERS SHALL, IN FACT, RULE THE EARTH.

These people are just wonderful in every way:

quote:

She told me she had started a fight during a discussion about time management and how mathematicians have a hard time getting laid.

Someone proposed a solution: Employers should hire prostitutes so the mathematicians wouldn’t waste precious hours at bars. That was incredibly sexist, Courtney had said, and a shirtless man had replied, “But the heuristic is that mathematicians are male!” “Aren’t we here to think about radically different futures,” she’d said, “and, um, is it inconceivable that there might be female mathematicians?”

Great, even better, was the response. They could be the prostitutes, and the bedrooms could be mic’d with
baby monitors, in case of productive pillow talk. “So I said, ‘You think a great thing about women’s increased presence in math and science is that they can be fluffers to genius?’

I would say "these people are building your future! Doesn't that make you happy?" except these are the ones who failed to get the Google job so talk about their SATs and how the dysgenic masses are holding the white male genius down.

But don't think these natural noblemen won't reach out and help their lessers. Here's Vassar again:

quote:

I walked outside for air. Michael Vassar, in a clinging red sweater, was talking to an actuary from Florida. They discussed timeless decision theory (approximately: intelligent agents should make decisions on the basis of the futures, or possible worlds, that they predict their decisions will create) and the simulation argument (essentially: we’re living in one), which Vassar traced to Schopenhauer.

(If I were super-generous I'd call this a ridiculously cherry-picked reading of The World as Will and Representation through nerd-rapture-coloured glasses. I'd have to strain even for that, though.)

quote:

He recited lines from Kipling’s “If—” in no particular order and advised the actuary on how to change his life: Become a pro poker player with the $100k he had in the bank, then hit the Magic: The Gathering pro circuit; make more money; develop more rationality skills; launch the first Costco in Northern Europe.

(Costco's been around in the UK for years, perhaps that's not northern or European enough.)

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Konkvistador loved this WSJ piece and took time to emphasise the bit where it called liberals a bunch of girls. Comments a rich seam as always.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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I'm sorry, I'm still looking through LW's Greatest Hits. When Science Can't Help is brilliant.

Yudkowsky doesn't understand science (dig this post in which he recommends how to fix the process of science such that it would become literally how science works already), so thinks it doesn't work because it doesn't support his ideas. What example does he pick?

sparkly elite-aster posted:

Evolutionary psychology is another example of a case where rationality has to take over from science. While theories of evolutionary psychology form a connected whole, only some of those theories are readily testable experimentally. But you still need the other parts of the theory, because they form a connected web that helps you to form the hypotheses that are actually testable—and then the helper hypotheses are supported in a Bayesian sense, but not supported experimentally. Science would render a verdict of "not proven" on individual parts of a connected theoretical mesh that is experimentally productive as a whole. We'd need a new kind of verdict for that, something like "indirectly supported".

So you see, :biotruths: is beyond mere tawdry "science", we need rationality to connect our cherry-picked studies and demonstrate the ineffable truth that Bay Area transhumanists are heuristically superior to the blacks and poors.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

I will never stop being amused that Eliezer thinks the problem with science is that the consensus is too quick to change.

If I were bending over backwards to be fair, I'd get a copy of the book version of the sequences, Rationality: From AI To Zombies, and quote those versions. Of course, he left out the quantum physics sequence (because, despite years of correction of his basic errors, he refused to fix it and wasn't going to for the book version - way to Bayesian update) and, more importantly, it'd leave out the comments. But this would also involve reading it all again.

I also suspect it isn't very neoreactionary. HEY EVERYONE ELSE! POST STUFF!

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Cingulate posted:

For proud self-proclaimed Bayesians, it's a bit surprising to find a rough and naive discussion of priors, without using the term at all.

Oh, that's simple! Your "prior" is whatever you thought before and it must NEVER BE CHANGED. "Update" means you change your opinion, but in such a way that nobody could tell from observing anything you say or do.

Cingulate posted:

"I have literally never even heard the name Popper."

The search for the term is as dismal as you'd expect.

Peel posted:

We can use experiment to establish things that aren't directly measurable but which are implied by measurements via a successful theory? That's pretty mindblowing stuff, my mate Francis Bacon will amazed when he hears about this revolutionary new development.

He's right into Bacon. Note that link is about not falling in love with your own ideas. :ironicat: :ironicat: :ironicat: :ironicat: :ironicat:

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Hey everyone, wanna see the number one Dark Enlightenment comedian?

https://twitter.com/jokeocracy

Eric Erickson has noticed these idiots (or at least the ones who use "cuck" every second word): https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/624229746059149312 Perhaps the alt-right will ride again in the GOP! as the internal enemy.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Merdifex posted:

This is a bit of a tangent, but I think I might have found the most low effort right-wing blogger ever: https://radamanthesoctavian.wordpress.com/

Oh, it's on topic! Here he NRX-splains to his waifu wife who is an actual hyu-mon feeemale and exists, okay, about the Cathedral.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

That's what I mean. It's when they seem to demand that we go back to that while still retaining advanced technology, free-market liberalism, etc, when those are the things that actively undermine things like slavery and absolute monarchy. From what I've seen, they can't seem to grasp that social structures are, in fact, products of socio-economic circumstance.

This was that article from Scott that I quite liked, that made a point of how technology level strongly influenced how the society worked. (Though I would like to see countervailing opinions. Not many good ones in the comments.)

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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No, this one, mirrored here.

In other news, "cuckservative" goes mainstream. Congratulations to the memetic engineers of the alt-right! When Erick Erickson calls you a racist, you might be dogwhistling in basso profundo.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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massive spider posted:

People are inclined to think of content they can't respond to directly as spam.

echochamber.js - the perfect comment system! I particularly commend to you issue #11.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Mike Anissimov of More RIght fame has gotten into another twitter slapfight



To be fair, Anissimov is the most terminally humorless motherfucker ever to breathe. That said, he insists on repainting that bullseye on his forehead every time it gets blasted off.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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BTW, the guy Anissimov is arguing with on Twitter is the guy who wrote that New Republic article.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

You'd never catch magic cum guy doing stuff like this.

... magic cum guy?

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://storify.com/SJWIlluminati/juicebro-is-loving-nuts
I think the difference is that the manosphere guys are supposed to be unhinged idiots, but Anusimov is part of the intellectual caste.

Ah, Cernovich. He's one of the non-gamer members of Gamergate.

The intellectual caste of NRx really doesn't have much to do with Gamergate, which is nice.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Woolie Wool posted:

Wow, this guy doesn't even indulge in the pseudo-intellectual rhetoric of people like Moldbug--he doesn't even seem to understand that "rhetoric" is even a thing that exists or that other people will judge him by the way he presents himself. Forget the rationalizations or romantic appeals, let's just say "fag faggy fag buttsex cocksucker cucked by niggers and JOOOOOOOOS" every other sentence.

Moldbuggery colliding with /pol/ remains sorta hilarious. A coprokinetic sculpture.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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darkwasthenight posted:

Between this and line about DE being for words what bitcoin is to electricity you're a regular posting gem.

Oh go on, fondle my ego :jerkbag: HARDER FASTER

TwoQuestions posted:

TL;DR: Every teenager is a self-destructive rear end in a top hat, and now instead of mutilating themselves they're going on the Internet to hurt others of their racial group! (or something, I think my brain melted after the third paragraph.)
I've written some dumb poo poo in my time, but I don't think I've ever constructed such a giant, flaming edifice of stupid.

You have to remember that Milo is in a competition with himself to be the most utterly ghastly oval office possible. This is ehhh a moderate attempt.

In other news! Let's be fair to Scott: this story is really quite enjoyable and decently-written, particularly considering it originated in a chan image.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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So I looked through Post-LessWrong Tumblr and saw this. lambdaphagy, replying to asocratesgonemad

quote:

“The people in this city looked hollow, like shitlibs. They’d broken their backs lifting Moloch up to heaven, and now they were down here in the gutter, fornicating dysgenically. The whole town stank of high time preference.”
– No Enemies to the Right (an Alexei Codeski novel)

quote:

She walked hypergamously into my office. Tall, blonde and Nordic subtype. On average, the best ones always are.

I looked up and took a hard pull from my flask. It was filled with contraband gin, held up in the FDA approval process for years by demotic regulators. It burned like the core of a chronically mis-managed city in my bold, truth-telling throat.

“I need a PI” she said, sizing me up for long-term investment potential.

“A predictive index for what?” I asked, passing her poo poo-test with ease. “Don’t you know that noticing is illegal nowadays? I don’t do that kind of stuff any more.” I tossed my dog-eared copy of The Bell Curve into the wastebasket with a sigh and set it on fire.

“No, silly, a private investigator. I have a case.” The hamster was spinning furiously.

“I know. I was just ironically voicing outrageous opinions to ward off the uninitiated.”

She smiled in-groupically. “I like a man who can countersignal competence.”

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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san francisco: it has a great gay neoreactionary dating scene

(that's all)

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Night10194 posted:

It's the last time someone told them how special they were, it's easy enough to see.

I used to be a child prodigy - my mum sent me a newspaper clipping from back then, I was in local papers and on TV a coupla times - and I can proudly attest to the truth of "child genius, adult moron". It turns out smarts grow on trees and people care entirely about what you do, not what you could totally do if you did anything.

So I should have founded an Internet-based cult. At least Yudkowsky has successfully cracked the "get donations" ability. I can't even gather up the moral turpitude to sell snake oil to audiophiles or Bitcoiners.

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Jun 17, 2015

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coyo7e posted:

It's one of those little things that show your privilege. When I first went to college to study software engineering, it was a big shock to me to suddenly no longer be the smartest kid in the room, and it took smoe gettnig used to the idea that I was really just average like almost everybody. Most of my classmates never seemed to figure that out, though.

Attest to Clear.

Yudkowsky dropped out of grade school, so never got that experience. This is why he, being a bright kid, should go to college.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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eschaton posted:

And you're not going to share with us?

It's not interesting, it's "wow this kid has an iq of 200! and knows all these big words! and talks about science stuff!" That was pretty much the substantive content. Really, child prodigies aren't actually interesting.

(and if I was this sort of person, I'd still be claiming an IQ of 200)

My kid is also very bright at school. This is unsurprising because her parents were too. So we've realised the actual problem is socialisation and learning how to work and not skim by (like I didn't learn). The school know this too, so we're doing OK there. "We know you're clever, so were we, and that's not enough. You need to do the work." "Aw, I'm BORED!" "Too bad."

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Jun 17, 2015

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Curvature of Earth posted:

For the record divabot, I've been interacting with you for years and while you're clearly derned smert, you've never once come across as a twatty-faced genius with their head up their rear end.

Aw, you guys! No, my assholism is a different kind.

Curvature of Earth posted:

Interesting, stereotypical child prodigies, like Moshe Kai Cavalin (aka that 15 year old with a bachelors in math from UCLA), don't usually come across as arrogant jagoffs either.
As for very bright adults, the YouTube channel Numberphile is essentially nothing but mathematics PhDs talking excitedly about math—surely these are the ubermensch nerds of Yudhowsky's dreams? But far from arrogant, they merely seem passionate and even a little bit flattered that anyone is interested in what they do. The guy who interviews them is "just" a layman, but whenever he interrupts them to say "that sounds like nonsense", they take it in good stride and often even admit that what they're saying is indeed nonsense, and they're perfectly happy to answer questions from the audience that probably seem really dumb to them.

People with achievements tend to talk about and be talked about in terms of the achievements. People with esoteric achievements tend to be delighted when ordinary people are interested. People with no achievements but high test scores talk about the test scores. Or are sensible enough to refrain from doing so.

ps: with that name you need a Weird Sun twitter.

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Jun 17, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Weird sun twitter is the really boring post-rationalist group dedicated to posting substance-less banalities literally everyone agrees with on principle meta level ideas, right?

It's dedicated to producing material that, if it does really well, will get retweeted by RationalWiki.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Merdifex posted:

From what I can tell, this is indistinguishable from NRx (and as such, from stupidity)

It's them, but it's also the people who aren't on LW any more because it's too weird and insane but they still know each other. The cluster on Tumblr.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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ArchangeI posted:

I love how the entire thing is pretty much just extrapolating current trends into infinity and then freaking out when the results are terrifying. Computers have gotten increasingly powerful over the last few decades. if we extrapolate that trend into the future, eventually they will become so powerful they can simulate the position of every molecule in the universe with perfect precision, allowing them to predict the future perfectly! Why is no one taking this serious!?

These people have never had someone tell them "don't fall in love with your model". And have never heard of reductio ad absurdum.

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