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ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!

Political Whores posted:

What exactly is an excellent technical understanding of fairy tales?

Well see if you put atoms together in this way, it looks like a gear! Therefore it will work as a gear and there are no nanoscale effects re: van der waals forces, thermal jitteriness, etc. that will be an issue. Next stop, universal replicators!

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ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
Mieville sums it up rather nicely, I think:

China Mieville posted:

Libertarianism is not a ruling-class theory. It may be indulged, certainly, for the useful ideas it can throw up, and its prophets have at times influenced dominant ideologies–witness the cack-handed depredations of the “Chicago Boys” in Chile after Allende’s bloody overthrow. But untempered by the realpolitik of Reaganism and Thatcherism, the anti-statism of “pure” libertarianism is worse than useless to the ruling class.

Big capital will support tax-lowering measures, of course, but it does not need to piss and moan about taxes with the tedious relentlessness of the libertarian. Big capital, with its ranks of accountant-Houdinis, just gets on with not paying it. And why hate a state that pays so well? Big capital is big, after all, not only because of the generous contracts its state obligingly hands it, but because of the gun-ships with which its state opens up markets for it.

Libertarianism, by contrast, is a theory of those who find it hard to avoid their taxes, who are too small, incompetent or insufficiently connected to win Iraq-reconstruction contracts, or otherwise chow at the state trough. In its maundering about a mythical ideal-type capitalism, libertarianism betrays its fear of actually existing capitalism, at which it cannot quite succeed. It is a philosophy of capitalist inadequacy.

Or actually, perhaps the neoreactionaries are better described as this sort of libertarian:

Kim Stanley Robinson posted:

Even if you want no state, or a minimal state, then you have to argue point by point. Especially since the minimalists want to keep the economic and police system that keeps them privileged. That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
It's weird how they imagine that "intelligence" can be essentially an unbounded process (which is the only way you can invoke "sufficiently advanced AI" to solve every conceivable problem). We know nothing about intelligence beyond our own, so why do they think that they can say anything meaningful about it?

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
"You see, you can always tell a goon because they have this particular behaviour. Also, have you noticed how all toupees look bad?"

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
Just gonna leave this here.

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!

It's not often I see a burn powerful enough I actually say "OH" out loud, but this one did it.

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!

Somfin posted:

Getting a job in the actual industry of computers and getting my hands dirty with actual code broke a bunch of old myths I had about how code and coding worked. The first one being any concept of "goes FOOM." Computers and programs have to deal with very physical limits on how powerful/fast/optimised they can actually get and the bottlenecks that exist for concepts like 'long term memory' or 'recall' are so massive that you just end up laughing at the idea of simulating a living, breathing human.

One notes that Microsoft and Google (and almost certainly others as well) have had, for quite some time now, AI systems that help write new AI systems. And while the output frequently is more optimized than what a human could design on their own, if there's been an "intelligence explosion" it's been kept remarkably quiet.

Now, I don't think it's impossible that the technology might eventually exist (on a timeline that probably does not include the lifespan of Yud [and almost certainly does not include the lifespan of Kurzweil, for that matter]) to have fully conscious "superhuman" AI or brain scanning/emulation or whatever, but the whole premise that goes "any system that is X amount intelligent should be able to design a system that is 2X amount intelligent" is based on nothing but wishful thinking and a fundamental misinterpretation of the implications of Moore's Law for intelligence. Thinking faster is not the same as being smarter; if you start out dumb but your brain doubles in operations per second... you're now just being dumb twice as fast.

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
What does that even -

... does he think Twitter is a Platonic Form? I'm so confused.

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ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
Resurrecting this thread because this is a p good video about the perils and pitfalls of naming "rationality" as your guiding principle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtg9tQ4mqLc

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