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Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Pissflaps posted:

Sounds like you need a payday loan.
Nah, he should have chosen richer parents. If Daddy can't provide a pied-a-terre somewhere off Knightsbridge then what are you even doing in London, prole?

(I agree with "ask for an advance"; I did that when I first moved to London several years back and they were fine with it).

edit: if HR aren't willing to give then tell them you'll have to sleep in the office until your first paycheque arrives. You're right, it's completely unreasonable to expect you to live without pay for nearly 2 months.

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Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
What kind of job is it, if I can ask? If it's relatively senior or skilled then you actually have some power, because the company has gone to all the effort and expense of hiring you and they aren't going to want you to quit / be unable to work for the sake of fronting you one month's pay.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Olewithmilk posted:

It's pretty easy to get an overdraft of ~£1500. Although I guess it depends on the bank, and how long you've had the account. It also sucks because then'll you'll have to work a bit to get out of it.
He might also struggle because he's only been in the country for a month or two. But yeah, it's worth a try I guess. Though it will involves charges, and I still think the company should front him the cash if they actually want him to work for them.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

goddamnedtwisto posted:

For fucks sake, how many times do I have to explain this? Communications data is not the same as tapping a phone. In any way. At all. Comms data is "Who is the owner of this phone number/IP address?" and "Which IP address accessed this mailbox?". It does not, and cannot, give any clues as to the content of the communications.
You can make some pretty solid inferences, though. If I call 020 7833 0022 multiple times within a month it's a pretty good bet that I'm an alcoholic.

They're absolutely not the same thing but you can definitely infer broad categories of content at least from comms data.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

LemonDrizzle posted:

I continue to find it amazing that people don't get more angry about this. I'd completely had my fill of housesharing by the time I left uni but a lot of the London-based late 20s/early 30s people I know did it for years afterwards and some of them that now own houses have lodgers to help with the mortgage despite having six figure pre-tax incomes. It's utterly mental.
People do get angry, a lot, but not many of them vote and they still have less political clout than owner-occupiers. No government really wants to build more houses, at least not yet.

edit: also, as soon as you do manage to scrape together an £80,000 deposit for a rabbit-hutch in Tottenham your views do a 180-degree flip, which doesn't help.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
£2k a month for a room is a lot of money even for London. Where are you living?

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Serotonin posted:

I've got a large 3 bedroom house with a stable block and large garden In rural South Glos for half this. Lol at living in London you mugs.
The countryside is poo poo though

unless you like flicking pebbles into cowpats there's nothing to do, and you have to drive everywhere.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Jedit posted:

It does, but the German law he used is basically an agreement to pay compensation for something you did in exchange for the trial ending without a guilty verdict. There's only two reasons to use it: because you're innocent but proving it is more trouble than it's worth, or because you're guilty and don't want to be convicted. And given that Ecclestone originally offered to pay $20m in compensation but the court demanded $100m, the whole world knows which it is.
Presumably this only works for certain crimes. I can't pay $1m to be let off for murder, can I?

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Aliginge posted:

I edited out from my post the accusation that Londoners tend to think nowhere else in the UK is worth a drat but I think that was premature of me.


Manchester is pretty good but then I grew up there, Leamington Spa was a bit posh for my liking but I am really liking Edinburgh since my move up north a year back, want to check out Brighton at some point but it's loving miles away.
Brighton is pretty cool, especially all the stuff around Trafaglar Street. I toyed with the idea of living there a few years ago because it's an hour from London on the train so I could commute in to work

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

KKKlean Energy posted:

You can't just say something is an "hour from london" because once you get to london it could take up to an hour more just to get to your place of residence or work
One stop on the Victoria Line.

edit: plus my commute takes an hour to a London station even now.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Greggs tea is also loving awful. How can you gently caress up tea, for fucks sake?
Have you ever bought what passes for "English breakfast tea" from a Starbucks in America? They found a way.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Umiapik posted:

Labour: No economic credibility, failing to gain support in Conservative areas, hobbled by Ed Miliband's low opinion poll ratings.

Conservatives: Have failed to reach out to voters beyond their base in the prosperous SE, still widely seen as the 'nasty party', struggling to prevent supporters from defecting to Ukip.
I think Ukip has a good chance of damaging Labour, too. Its message is going to appeal to a lot of Labour's old core voters; namely older men in semi-skilled work. A good chunk of them feel left behind by the modern world and are tempted to blame migration for their woes.

I don't think it's at all clear that UKIP will split only the Tory vote.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

ReV VAdAUL posted:

Have Labour tried to adopt the Obama campaign's use of quants and data mining at all?
All the main parties use this stuff. They've become very, very good at identifying swing voters in marginal constituencies which is why their entire election campaigns are aimed squarely at these people. Which is why a lot of people feel that the stuff politicians bang on about is irrelevant or not aimed at them. If you don't live in a marginal seat then you're correct, it's not aimed at you at all.

The real question is how well someone whose expertise is in other countries (which goes for both Crosby and Axelrod) can map that experience onto Britain, which is a very different place. Especially now, with a coalition government and UKIP to consider. It's an interesting question how well all the internal models work when they're way outside of the domain they were developed for (ie mostly a two-horse race between Labour and the Tories leading to the formation of a single-party government).

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

TinTower posted:

And people think the PCC is working?
It's definitely working. It's designed specifically to be toothless, remember?

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Darth Walrus posted:

Hold on, just trying to work through the numbers here - isn't the £120,000 his salary plus his expenses? The income for an MP is £67,000. Do ministers get paid more, or are you including his income from Circle Healthcare in that?
He was a minister, on a salary of around £89,000.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

goddamnedtwisto posted:

True story - if you ring their main switchboard number the recorded announcement simply says "Welcome to GCHQ. Your calls will be recorded."
Just tried this and it said "thank you for your call, which may be recorded for lawful purposes" :)

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Cerv posted:

don't want to single you out in particular, but it's amazing how many people have just accepted the premise that a family of 5 can't live in London on their considerable means.
This isn't what he was complaining about. You can get a 4-bed house in somewhere like Barking or Ealing on a salary like that. He wanted to live in Zone 1, in Westminster, right bang slap in the centre, on plutocrat's row because he couldn't be bothered to take the half-hour commute that a place in Zone 2 would require.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Yeah, it was routine from the mid-80s after the Italian airport attacks. We even had tanks patrolling Heathrow occasionally as far back as the 70s sparking all sorts of conspiracy theories.
Why tanks? I presume it was just to look menacing, cos I can't think why you'd actually want a tank in an airport unless they were expecting Carlos the Jackal to arrive with a brigade of T-72s. It doesn't fit into the terminal building, the main gun is completely useless, you can't see very much out of it...

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
No but don't you see, quantitative easing and ultra-low interest rates will be a short-term measure. They're necessary because Lehman Brothers recently went under and the world's financial markets are completely jammed but we don't intend for this to become the new normal at all

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
A fission-fusiondesign relies on radiation pressure generated by the detonation of the (fission) primary to compress and ignite the (fusion) secondary.

So yes, you need the precisely-machined explosive lenses around the primary to go off simultaneously for it to work. It is quite difficult to uniformly compress a steel ball with explosives, which is basically how the first stage works. If the timing is even slightly off you just get a load of molten steel squirting out in some random direction. Which is unpleasant, especially since it's plutonium rather than steel, but many many orders of magnitude less unpleasant than what's meant to happen.

Having said that I genuinely don't know what would happen if, somehow, a nuclear warhead went off on a submarine filled with dozens more. You'd probably get some induced fission in the tampers of other weapons from the radiation before the blast wave blew everything to bits. No clue what would happen to the explosive lenses. I wonder if anyone's ever tried blasting RDX with stupendously high levels of gamma radiation before?

Zephro fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Aug 14, 2014

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

ThomasPaine posted:

Ha, poo poo, I just read this. Would it actually be fatal if you just ate it? Or would it just make you very, very ill?
The great Wikipedia sayeth:

quote:

The LD50 in mice is 47.2 mg/kg.[44][45]
You can't necessarily translate from LD50 in mice to LD50 in humans. But one almost certainly exists.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

KKKlean Energy posted:

UKMT: A fountainous ebola-like bout of bloody diarrhea
diarrhoea :colbert:

This is the UK megathread, after all

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

twoot posted:

FPTP basically, although there is always the hilarious issue of left-wing unity. Today both parties are chasing the same swing voters in a few dozen seats which can deliver them a majority.

A "true left" party would need to have extremely concentrated support in enough seats to give it enough MPs to form coalitions with Labour and pull the narrative to the left. A widely spread left wing party would simply split votes away from Labour, leading to the Tories winning.
This is pretty much the answer. The policies of both Labour and the Tories are specifically tailored for a few tens or hundreds of thousands of swing voters who live in a few marginal seats. The gameplan in modern British politics is to not waste any effort on things you can take for granted (Surrey would vote for a piece of toast if it had Margaret Thatcher's face on it) and spend all your time trying to influence the small proportion of voters whose votes are actually meaningful, by virtue of them living in marginal seats.

Unless you live in one of those marginal seats then neither of the two big parties cares about appealing to you. That's why both the old Labour left and the old Tory right think they've been abandoned by the modern incarnations of their parties. They have, because the party leaderships have assumed they'll keep voting for them anyway because there's no-one else.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

big scary monsters posted:

I love the language in that second line. It makes it sound as though Mr. Cameron is battling to have his brave and controversial view heard against hordes of rabidly anti-family commentators and MPs.
Speaking as someone with kids, though, lots of things make no loving sense. It's easier to work when your child is in nursery than when it's in school because school only runs from 8.30 till 3 or so. Lots of people give up their jobs when their kids hit 5. Some schools have after-school clubs and some don't, and even those that do charge for it so you can only use them if you've got a significant amount of spare cash.

I mean yes in this case the "family" is just code for "the traditional nuclear family" and if this is anything other than a contentless soundbite it'll end up being used to promote marriage. But if someone actually took real family life a bit more seriously it would be a refreshing change. Between the second-most expensive childcare in the world and the insane cost of housing this is not a very child-friendly country.

Zephro fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Aug 18, 2014

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

hookerbot 5000 posted:

But nurseries cost a poo poo load too - When I was paying nursery fees for childcare when I was working full time it was over £100 a week and that was 10 years ago so I'd guess it's a lot more now. I know we get 16 hours free a week but for most places round here that's split over 5 daily sessions of 3 and a bit hours so not mucch use for working unless your work is on the doorstep of the nursery and you only work 3 hours a day.
Yeah, this is true as well. Full-time childcare around where I live will cost you about £11,000 a year per child. And that's after tax, don't forget. The 15 free hours don't kick in until they're 3 and is hedged about with dumb restrictions, like you can't use more than 5 of those hours in any given day. Not many employers are gonna let you work four hours a day two days a week. Childcare in this country is more expensive than almost any other developed country on the planet (http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5909651/5-charts-that-show-child-care-in-the-us-is-broken see chart 1).

quote:

At least when they are at school it's free.
This is also true, but there aren't that many jobs that will let you work, say 9.00-2.30. The ones there are tend to be low-skilled and badly paid, which is why so many people (mostly women) fall off the career ladder in their 30s. And none of those jobs will give you 16 weeks of holiday a year, so you have to pay for private childminding to cover that, too. It's a mess.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
Random question: is it still possible to buy a SIM/mobile in the UK without having to fill out a form saying who you are and where you live? I was reading up on the 7/7 bombings and they used PAYG phones to avoid leaving a trace. I know this is hard/impossible to do in lots of other countries these days, but is Britain one of them? It's oddly hard to find out by Googling (or else my Google-fu is bad).

edit: apparently I have plat despite having never paid a single red cent for this account

Zephro fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Aug 18, 2014

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Pork Pie Hat posted:

I'm pretty sure it is possible. Loads of pound shops sell PAYG SIMs and I doubt they'd ask you to fill out a bunch of paperwork.
OK, thanks. That helps makes sense of what I was reading.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Mr Cuddles posted:

I agree. Their website is also terrible. Still love the private eye though.
I doubt Private Eye feels the need to compete on the web so much as other news magazine. They have a pretty unique product (libellous stories which are often not true) that you can't get free elsewhere, so there's little commercial incentive to give it away online.

They're a bit like a trade magazine in that sense.

Zephro fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Aug 20, 2014

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
Late to the party, but, given that the police in some cases fathered children, is the CSA on to them for child support, I wonder?

I bet it isn't, duh

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
If you're on PAYE it should be sorted out automatically at the end of the tax year, although that's a while away. If you want to get it changed before then you'll probably have to speak to someone at HRMC. I doubt you can do it online because tax is so amazingly complicated. I know I couldn't when I was temping and stuck on emergency tax because I had a dozen different jobs in a given year.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Zero Gravitas posted:

Meaning that he was writing about the usurption of an incredibly sadistic upper class that used rape, murder and torture for its own amusement by The Culture. What if instead of being something he dreamed up, it was based rather more literally on reality? :gonk:
Aren't you thinking of the Affront? They were the thinly-disguised public schoolboys.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

ukle posted:

To put it simply Rotherham isn't a one off its just one of possibly a dozen towns and cities.
Oxford and Telford have also been mentioned in a lot of the press coverage. And the Times has been writing a lot about something similar in Rochdale.

On the racism point: the report says plainly that it isn't clear why this was allowed to go on for more than fifteen years without anyone doing anything serious to stop it but it lists four possible factors:

quote:

The possible reasons for this are not clear but may include denial that this could occur in Rotherham, concern that the ethnic element could damage community cohesion, worry about reputational risk to the Borough if the issue was brought fully into the public domain, and the belief that if that occurred, it might compromise police operations.
Worries about race relations / racism are mentioned right there. It talks about them elsewhere too:

quote:

The inquiry found that several staff described their nervousness talking about the race of the men "for fear of being thought racist". Others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.
It hints at the possibility of other things going on, too, but the report says in plain black and white that at least some people felt they could not act because they were worried about being seen as racist. That's obviously a completely non-valid reason for not acting, but it's apparently one that at least some of the people concerned were worried about.

Zephro fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Aug 27, 2014

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
^Yeah. People were making "Jimmy Saville is a paedophile" 'jokes' when I was in secondary school (which was quite a while ago now :/ ). Everyone knew, but nobody actually knew for sure.

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Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

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Gonzo McFee posted:

Plenty of people knew for sure. They just happened to be the ones with all the power and none of the interest in following it up.
Ok, true. I mean that lots of people knew, or at least strongly suspected, even if they didn't have proof. It was an open secret even among people who didn't know him personally.

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