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Lloyd Boner posted:The problem isn't that he's training STRIKING???, the problem is that he's training striking against a 6'5" Dutch kick boxer who would not strike in any way similar to a 5'10" wrestler. That's stupid. What's he supposed to do, spar with Tim Kennedy every single time? Overeem is the most experienced striker there by an absurd margin and there's a hell of a lot he has to teach a guy like Jones. On top of which if you want to get a guy used to the threat of being overpowered in the clinch without simply relying on being tall as a get out of jail free card, that's your guy.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:That's stupid. What's he supposed to do, spar with Tim Kennedy every single time? Overeem is the most experienced striker there by an absurd margin and there's a hell of a lot he has to teach a guy like Jones. On top of which if you want to get a guy used to the threat of being overpowered in the clinch without simply relying on being tall as a get out of jail free card, that's your guy. Oh I'm pretty sure Greg Jackson knows what he's doing compared to myself or Dana White, just saying what Dana's argument actually was.
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Man, 2014 UFC has kinda sucked. Dreams and matchups were more consistently dashed throughout 2012, but 2014 sucks more in that it follows probably the single greatest year in the promotion's history and also when plans failed in 2014, they failed spectacularly.
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Man, 2014 UFC has kinda sucked. Except for the awesome parts
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I was watching the 177 weigh-ins and had no idea Barao had been replaced so when it got to the main event and this guy I never saw before walked out to get weighed I unironically thought it was one of those fan giveaways the UFC sometimes does and they had let some guy off the street pretend he was weighing in for the title fight and only realized my mistake when Rogan asked TJ about the change, but it really wasn't much of a mistake because they are actually letting a nobody fight for the title.
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manyak posted:All i want is for it to count as a loss. if you are gonna rack up wins by just barely making weight by the skin of your teeth and coming into a fight twice as big as the other guy, it should count as a loss if you dont make weight. If you want it to be part of the sport then make it one, the fight starts the day of the weigh ins, the first part of the fight is to make weight, otherwise you get a loss on your record. Barao has lost to TJ dillashaw twice now
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Mean Bean Machine posted:I was watching the 177 weigh-ins and had no idea Barao had been replaced so when it got to the main event and this guy I never saw before walked out to get weighed I unironically thought it was one of those fan giveaways the UFC sometimes does and they had let some guy off the street pretend he was weighing in for the title fight and only realized my mistake when Rogan asked TJ about the change, but it really wasn't much of a mistake because they are actually letting a nobody fight for the title. To be fair, Joe Soto has had an impressive win streak in *looks at wikipedia* Tachi Palace Fights. Those events took place in beautiful *looks at wikipedia* Lemoore, California, United States
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Greg Jackson posted:To be fair, Joe Soto has had an impressive win streak in *looks at wikipedia* Tachi Palace Fights. Those events took place in beautiful *looks at wikipedia* Lemoore, California, United States Joe Soto is FOR REAL Mike!
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Mean Bean Machine posted:Man, 2014 UFC has kinda sucked. idk that one year (2011 or 2012) where everyone got injured was really awful and at the very least we got to see Ronda KO some girls and Weidman/Machida and Barão/Dillashaw and Hendricks/Lawler and Lawler/Brown. I think we might notice the injuries a lot more this year because there's twice as many cards and the good fights are spread throughout a sea of poo poo, but overall it hasn't been too bad this year. Jones and Cain and Hendricks being sidelined for so long sucks, but we're gonna see pretty much everyone notable this year fight and that's pretty cool.
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1st AD posted:idk that one year (2011 or 2012) where everyone got injured was really awful and at the very least we got to see Ronda KO some girls and Weidman/Machida and Barão/Dillashaw and Hendricks/Lawler and Lawler/Brown. Nah this year has been worse than 2012. At least in 2012 there were 2 welterweight title matches*, 2 light heavyweight title matches, 2 heavyweight title matches, 2 lightweight title matches etc. unlike this year where there will only have been 1 of each. Technically Anderson only defended the belt once in 2012 but he fought twice. This year there have been 0 Anderson fights or Nick Diaz fights. So yeah, 2014 sucks. I mean this conversation could have been ended at "Joe Soto is fighting for the belt" but I think this year is going to go down as being way worse.
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vainman posted:I'm still really confused why Jorgenson isn't fighting for the belt. They could have kept 9 fights on the card and had a title fight that was only half a joke. well, the Cejudo fight was at flyweight for starters.
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Jorgenson has had a pretty stupidly tough schedule despite being in shallower divisions. Getting tossed into a title shot would continue the trend of Sean Shelby only giving him tough fights but a) it's not his division and b) it's probably easier to market the guy on the winning streak. Not that you're doing much marketing a day out.
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-Atom- posted:well, the Cejudo fight was at flyweight for starters. ...and? UFC was going to offer Chael Sonnen a fight against Jones when he wasn't even in camp, let alone had any wins at 205 in UFC. At least Jorgensen has fought in the weight class before and has faired decently against the top of the division. His BW record is 3-3 in UFC and with the WEC fights I think it's 10-6. Not great by any means but as a way to save the card on 1 day's notice that's fine. I'm assuming UFC chose Soto because unless he gets knocked out in 10 seconds they can use this to market him later on. As vainman said, with Jorgensen the main event becomes less of a joke and you keep 9 fights instead of 8. Maybe they're using the scrapped 9th fight to help cover the cost on this lovely live gate, I dunno.
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LobsterMobster posted:Hakarl gives him his grappling skillz and there's no diet version of that (At least not since Alex Otsuka closed his shop) Man, Pride-era Otsuka reference from downtown.
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Bubba Smith posted:...and? UFC was going to offer Chael Sonnen a fight against Jones when he wasn't even in camp, let alone had any wins at 205 in UFC. At least Jorgensen has fought in the weight class before and has faired decently against the top of the division. His BW record is 3-3 in UFC and with the WEC fights I think it's 10-6. Not great by any means but as a way to save the card on 1 day's notice that's fine. I guess trying to use logic in tonight's main event last second scramble is time better spent elsewhere. Would Scotty getting the nod really jazz people up that much more? Maybe a little bit, but it's hardly noteworthy at the end of the day. -Atom- fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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Man, I like Scotty, but he sure as gently caress isn't Chael Sonnen. Unless you watched the WEC you don't know who he is, and the logic that a flyweight with a 3-5 record is a more credible challenger than a random newcomer is.....spotty.....at best.
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Soto is the Tachi Palace Fights champion. It's practically a superfight. Ok maybe not but it's still better than putting Jorgensen in there, this at least has a novelty factor to it.
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attackmole posted:Unless you watched the WEC you don't know who he is He even stopped being spotty since wec folded
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Dana going nuts and insulting everyone that says the event should be free is not only entertaining but also probably a bad idea
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ICHIBAHN posted:how long after the PPV is shown does it show up on Fight Pass? 2 or 3 months.
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I missed the Rogan/Barao interview and now I'm sad. Some people were asking about cutting 20 lbs to hit 135. During the Ronda/Meisha season of TUF, Ronda cut from 152 to 135 in a day after one of her fighters missed weight. She also won the coaches challenge in the middle of the cut. So Ronda has faster fight turnaround and can cut weight better than Barao. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toRCkxXxfAw Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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niethan posted:I think women have more fat than men and fat had more water than muscle so cutting weight should be easier for women? In general it's harder for women to cut weight, partially because body fat contains no water. Ronda is a goddamned mutant.
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DekeThornton posted:In general it's harder for women to cut weight, partially because body fat contains no water. Ronda is a goddamned mutant. If I'm reading this right women have higher body water percentage? http://triabilitycoach.com/2012/03/01/a-reference-chart-for-your-body-fat-and-water-percentages/ Tbh at the level these people are at statistics from the general population aren't really that applicable and you gotta go individual. I don't think I was reading that right
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niethan posted:If I'm reading this right women have higher body water percentage? The way I read that men have less body fat and a higher body water percentage than women. This was the first article I could find about weight cutting for women. http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2012/08/a-womans-guide-to-cutting-weight-for.html
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ICHIBAHN posted:having seen the main event, was the rest of the PPV worth watching? It was a surprisingly good, fun card with only one bad fight on the prelims.
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niethan posted:If I'm reading this right women have higher body water percentage? Women have lower total body water % (approx. 50% vs male 60%) because they have higher fat content which has low water content.
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