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There was no crime increase during the recent recession. Crime is caused by being a criminal, which is caused by being raised by lovely parents.
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Aug 5, 2014 02:28
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Obviously there are rich people who commit crimes. Some of them are prosecuted. Some are not because it's harder to prosecute a person with resources. Some are qualitatively different from the kinds of crimes being discussed. Martha Stewart was convicted of insider trading, not smashing the window of a jewelry store. I would go so far as to claim that 100% of people indicted for insider trading are fairly wealthy. With that said, the question was the causes of committing certain kinds of crimes, not the differences in what happens to a criminal suspect who is poor and one who is rich. It's unavoidable that we will have to admit that to some extent, poverty and crime are both caused by certain common factors, though this is is hardly a complete phenomenon. The same people who are raised to be violent and impulsive by insufficient parenting may end up as either criminals or unable to hold down a job as a result. I know this is going to get pilloried as blaming ALL poor people for being poor or calling ALL poor people criminals. I'm certainly not saying that. But it explains SOME portion of social reality, and it has more to back it up than the idea that there is no criminal personality and people just decide to become shoplifters because of economic conditions, which flies in the face of all statistics on crime and the experiences of anyone who actually has met another human being.
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Aug 5, 2014 04:38
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There is a group of people who are unable to function because they were abused or neglected as children, who are more likely than the average to be criminals and more likely than the average to have difficulties maintaining stable employment. Thus, there is some correlation between poverty and criminality. That's all I'm saying. That anyone could disagree (beyond the usual "the only explanation for anything bad is CRAPITALI$M" ideologues) is surprising.
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Aug 5, 2014 13:18
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Yes. Crime is not caused by the mere fact of being poor, as can be seen from the fact that overall poverty rates and crime rates have no high-level correlation. However, some people are more likely to both be poor and be criminals. Furthermore, essentially all criminality is caused by developmental factors, and the big elephant in the room of developmental factors is child abuse and neglect. Again, this is not exactly breaking new ground.
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Aug 5, 2014 13:30
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Normally it's pedantic to point out that there are no criminals, only people who committed crimes, but seeing as meat sweats decided to grace us /w he posting... Pedantic and absolutely wrong. Do you ever go outside? There are people who have it in them to break into someone else's house and steal poo poo to pawn for cash, and people who don't. Only someone who's totally down the solipsistic rabbit hole of "but Bakunin said all motivation is due to dialectical materialism" could not see this from their interaction with other human beings.
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Aug 5, 2014 21:37
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