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BreakAtmo posted:I've asked a couple of people about this so far, and both have answered the latter Do they have an explanation for why when the economy goes to poo poo and there is high unemployment and no safety net property crimes increase and vice versa?
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dilbertschalter posted:I don't think there's very strong proof for either of those claims. As someone living in an austerited country it's feeling pretty real.
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meat sweats posted:Crime is caused by being a criminal, which is caused by being raised by lovely parents. I take it then that being rich makes you a great parent because I don't see many rich kids committing "theft, robbery, burglary". Financial crimes yes but no one has actually argued that Madoff or Martha Stewart committed their crimes because they were poor or that all crimes are a result of poverty.
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meat sweats posted:I know this is going to get pilloried as blaming ALL poor people for being poor or calling ALL poor people criminals. I'm certainly not saying that. But it explains SOME portion of social reality, and it has more to back it up than the idea that there is no criminal personality and people just decide to become shoplifters because of economic conditions, which flies in the face of all statistics on crime and the experiences of anyone who actually has met another human being. OK. Some people are lazy. There, I'll even give you that without disputing because I'm generous like that. Now what? Unless you think that "some" means most (in which case you really are blaming poor people for being poor) why is it that instead of addressing the biggest cause of the problem you feel the need to constantly inject "hey guys don't forget 'some' poors are just lazy". What is the point? Looking at the world around you does it look like poor people are getting a deluge of welfare on them and not enough people calling them lazy?
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meat sweats posted:There is a group of people who are unable to function because they were abused or neglected as children, who are more likely than the average to be criminals and more likely than the average to have difficulties maintaining stable employment. Thus, there is some correlation between poverty and criminality. That's all I'm saying. That anyone could disagree (beyond the usual "the only explanation for anything bad is CRAPITALI$M" ideologues) is surprising. meat sweats posted:There was no crime increase during the recent recession.
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And all of those factors just happen to have a high correlation with poverty. What a coincidence. Of course not all poor people turn to crime. That is something I had a lot of trouble making my parents understand. When they were kids my parents were absolutely miserable. Miserable as in "never drunk milk growing up" miserable. Miserable as in "one brother died of appendicitis because there was no money to pay for a doctor" miserable. Out of 14 children between my grandparents, 6 died before they were 10 due to malnutrition and lack of medical care. My mother especially couldn't get into her head why the slums are insane criminal breeding grounds. "We suffered so much and we didn't turn to crime, young people just want money to party." No, you did turn to crime mom, you told me plenty of times how sometimes you and your siblings would wake up in the middle of the night and walk several miles to a cornfield or an orchard and steal food from the latifundia. No, that wan't any different. You know what was different? You grew up in the country, with fresh air and plenty of space to run around. Everyone around you was poor, they had nothing you could steal. The people with the money lived in manors and you barely ever saw them. If you started a criminal career you'd be immediately caught on the grounds that you weren't starving. If instead you had grown up in a slum with rats all around, no work, no food you could steal during the night and everywhere you saw people well dressed well shod and with all the things the TV is constantly telling you you need, if the only people in your neighborhood that didn't skip meals every other day were the criminals you probably would have turned to crime. Sure, not all poor people are criminals. There is also the environment and opportunity to take into account as well as how much you have ingrained learned helplessness. And that's not even getting into substance abuse, something that once again has a high correlation with poverty. I genuinely don't get the point you are trying to make. That not all poor people turn to crime? That not all criminals are poor? Congratu-loving-lations, give the man a cigar! You keep saying "well people that grow up in poo poo tend to end up criminals and growing up poor is a strong indicator you'll be growing up in poo poo but not everyone does so poverty doesn't cause crime". Sure, poverty doesn't cause crime, it just makes it that it's very likely you'll turn into a criminal.  MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Powercrazy posted:According to the demographics of crime it looks like genetics is the biggest indicator OP. Minorities must have gotten a really raw deal in the gattaca roulette. e: poo poo.  I missed it didn't I?
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