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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

computer parts posted:

It's funny though because there's a lot of hysteria about drones that was redirected* as "scary new military tech"* rather than "US military killing people".

*Assuming that wasn't the feeling from the start.

Man, almost all of it was "scary new thing!" Which it isn't, it's a moderate improvement of existing technology, but we've done that round and round in this thread before

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Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Sometimes news stories occur that are just beautiful in the state of Mississippi. Remember that whole thing about being paid to get black voters 15 dollars a voter?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/stevie-fielder-vote-buying-report-thad-cochran-chris-mcdaniel-noel-fritsch

quote:

The man who said he was paid $2,000 to falsely accuse Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) of a vote-buying scheme to get African-Americans to vote for him in the runoff election of the Mississippi race for U.S. Senate is now saying state Sen. Chris McDaniel's (R) spokesman, Noel Fritsch, was the one who paid him to do the interview, according to the Clarion-Ledger and WJTV.

The interview was used by McDaniel in the packet they sent to the state when they announced their plan to challenge the results

quote:

Last Wednesday Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood (D) said his office was investigating whether Johnson himself paid Fielder to point the finger at Cochran. At the time Hood said he did not know who paid Fielder. On Monday evening Hood spokeswoman Jan Schaefer confirmed to the newspaper that Fielder said it was Fritsch who paid him.

Fritsch denied Fielder's accusation in an email to TPM and, instead, pointed the blame at Johnson and Saleem Baired, who has served as the Cochran campaign's minority outreach director.


quote:

"Charles Johnson paid for the texts & emails Cochran/Wicker staffer Saleem Baird sent that prove Cochran bought Democrat votes," Fritsch wrote in the email. He did not respond to additional questions from TPM.

The claims from the people involved in the vote-buying report keep changing. Johnson has said that he paid Fielder for the interview but hasn't said how much. Fielder, also, previously claimed that he was paid by the Cochran campaign to get African-Americans to vote for Cochran. He later changed his story and said he was only describing a hypothetical situation.

Johnson, in a tweet on Wednesday, said he found it a "touch ridiculous" that after he admitted to paying Fielder the "media lies."

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Radbot posted:

These rulings about religious belief essentially only cover Christians and vaginas, right? I'm sure I wouldn't be able to deny service to anyone who believed in a God at my Atheist Bakery.
Sometimes I think 90% of religion in America is about vaginas in one way or another.

Foyes36
Oct 23, 2005

Food fight!

A Winner is Jew posted:

The founder(?) has gone on record saying that they basically follow the tenants of Rand. Now this might be to troll people like Ryan and Paul but IIRC that comment was made before there were Randoid politicians so yeah.

I wonder if there are any actual theistic Satantists in the way that evangelical Christians like to froth about. The only ones I ever hear of are the LaVeyan types, angry teenagers, those heavy metal people from Scandinavia, and one-off types who are trying to make a point about religious overreach.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Samurai Sanders posted:

Sometimes I think 90% of religion in America is about vaginas in one way or another.

There is a good case to be made that the split between democrat/republican is all tied up in views on sex and what is acceptable. Which is how you get millennials who talk the GOP agenda points and identify as Dems and vote straight ticket Democrat. There was some polling back in the Clinton years where they polled on sexual opinions and practices along with political leanings (because of the Lewinsky scandal) and found a huge correlation. The rise of the internet has thrown even more behind that (eg one of the linking triggers was "viewed "pornography", with the internet everyone has seen porn these days)

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
The McDaniel campaign and its hangers-on are the most horrifying political sideshow I think I've ever seen. It's just wall to wall batshit insanity, hatred, and corruption, turned up to 11. It's all the more amazing because he was so close to winning that nomination (and let's face it, the Senate seat) on the original primary election night.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Fried Chicken posted:

There is a good case to be made that the split between democrat/republican is all tied up in views on sex and what is acceptable. Which is how you get millennials who talk the GOP agenda points and identify as Dems and vote straight ticket Democrat. There was some polling back in the Clinton years where they polled on sexual opinions and practices along with political leanings (because of the Lewinsky scandal) and found a huge correlation. The rise of the internet has thrown even more behind that (eg one of the linking triggers was "viewed "pornography", with the internet everyone has seen porn these days)
Yeah, but even beyond that, it seems to be about what sex is acceptable for women, not just in general.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

Samurai Sanders posted:

Sometimes I think 90% of religion in America is about vaginas in one way or another.

Lets not forget the various cults that exist pretty much to get their founders laid.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Levay took a lot from "Might is Right". The ideal person in "Might is Right" that one "which is in reality the old ideal of Nero". Levay Satanism is a rejection of the inversion of Christianity by appeal to what Christianity inverted. This is very similar to Rand.

The satanic temple folks are more: the Satan of literature is our guy but there is no supernatural. They also throw out the anti democratic elitism and cultural darwinism.

It's like the difference between objectivists and skeptic/libertarians.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Samurai Sanders posted:

Sometimes I think 90% of religion in America is about vaginas in one way or another.

More like 90% of every religion since the very first quasi-religious totems were created

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
The first quasi-religious totems probably WERE vaginas or as close as you could get with stone tools.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
GOP Plots Offensive on Labor

quote:

GOP lawmakers are planning to attack the National Labor Relations Board if they take back the Senate this fall.

With majorities in the House and Senate, Republicans say they would push back against NLRB rules that have made it easier for unions to speed up their elections and organize multiple departments within a single company, among other things.

Republicans are making their stance clear in advance of the midterm elections, hoping it will help draw out the GOP base.

And Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), the top Republican on the Senate Labor Committee, is using the issue as part of his campaign theme ahead of his Thursday primary.

“The Tennesseans I talk with are tired of Washington bureaucrats telling them how to live their lives and run their businesses,” Alexander said. “The NLRB is pursuing some of the most intrusive and misguided policies under this administration.”

When Congress returns from recess, Alexander said he plans to introduce a bill that would overhaul the NLRB and “make it more of an umpire than an advocate.”

Even with a Senate majority, Republicans are unlikely to be able to move major legislation through a narrowly divided Senate.

But they may not need to pass legislation in order to tinker with the NLRB, according to Michael Lotito, an employment and labor attorney and co-chairman of the conservative Workplace Policy Institute.

Lotito says Republicans could also use the appropriations process to slow down the NLRB, even if President Obama tries to block their legislation.


“So you could have an appropriations rider that could prohibit the NLRB from attempting to implement its ambush election proposal,” Lotito explained.

Backers of the NLRB aren’t too worried about the GOP chest-thumping.

“Obviously, what the NLRB has to do is continue to do the business in front of it,” said Wilma Liebman, a former NLRB chairman who is a Democrat. “The board is no stranger to controversy or political opposition, so they know how to deal with it.”

Lawrence Mishel, president of the liberal Economic Policy Institute, said he would expect Senate Republicans to “harass” the NLRB much in the same way that House Republicans do now, if the party gains control of the Senate in November.


He also suggested it will be difficult for Obama to win confirmation of new board members if the Senate goes Republican. [Edit: No poo poo]

“I think what they really want to do is shut down the inner workings of the NLRB and keep them from making rulings and doing their job,” Mishel said.

Democratic board member Nancy J. Schiffer’s term expires in mid-December, and a GOP-controlled Senate would likely block any replacement Obama nominates, giving Republicans on the labor board more sway to influence decisions made after her term expires.

Schiffer’s exit would leave the board with two Republican appointees and two Democratic appointees.

The board is in the process of reissuing hundreds of decisions invalidated by a Supreme Court ruling. The Supreme Court ruled that Obama did not have the power to make recess appointments to the NLRB, meaning decisions issued by the board that included the recess appointees were also invalidated.

Senate Democrats later changed the upper chamber’s filibuster rules, and new members of the NLRB were confirmed.

If Republicans have a Senate majority in January, the NLRB’s current members would only have between now and the end of the year to review those cases, said Marshall Babson, a former Democrat board member of the NLRB.

Republicans hope to turn back several NLRB rules if they win the majority.

One example is a rule, which must still be finalized, that speeds up union elections to occur as little as 10 days after a petition is filed. Business groups call it the “ambush election” rule and say it would give employers too little time to discuss the decision to unionize with their workers.

The NLRB’s Democrats say the rule is aimed at preventing companies from intimidating employees against joining a union.


It is one of the NLRB’s most controversial rules and one of the first things Republicans say they would look to strike down if they gain control of the Senate.

“I think there’s a lot of interest in pushing back on these things,” said a Republican aide on the Senate Labor Committee. “If they finalize the ambush election rule, there would be pushback here in the Senate on that.”

Republicans and business groups have also expressed disappointment with recent NLRB decisions to allow employees to organize multiple “micro-unions” within a single company.

Just last month, the NLRB ruled a group of cosmetics and fragrance workers at a Macy’s store in Massachusetts could organize, even without the consent of the rest of the store’s employees.

This would create the potential for employees to negotiate with multiple collective bargaining units represented by different unions, labor experts say.

Republicans have called it labor’s version of “gerrymandering,” because it allows unions to pick the employees who are most likely to say yes and ignore the others.

The NLRB laid the groundwork for such decisions in a 2011 case known as Specialty Healthcare, in which the NLRB ruled that a group of nurse assistants could form their own union without including other employees at the company.

“We would want to look at legislation to make sure bargaining units are appropriately sized in response to the NLRB’s micro-union decision,” the Republican aide said.

Another issue Senate Republicans say they would look at is the NLRB’s new joint employer standard, which allows franchise employees to sue the corporate owners of a company in addition to their franchise bosses.

Republicans were critical of the NLRB’s decision last week to allow this at McDonald’s. They say franchises should be treated as independent companies.

“The joint employer standard is something the Senate would want to push back against as well,” the aide said.

I've been talking the McDonalds thing for the past week, no surprise it has become a big thing in the campaigns

But yeah, all the poo poo they've been doing in the states, spiking unemployment and slowing job growth in their "models" like Wisconsin and Kansas? Coming to you on a federal level

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007



ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
That has got to be a prank, heh.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
Can I choose tranny?

But yeah, that's gotta be a joke...right?

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Samurai Sanders posted:

Yeah, but even beyond that, it seems to be about what sex is acceptable for women, not just in general.

Yeah, like I said there were a suite of questions. Porn was just one of them. The conservative liberal split is really along issues if how you view sex, much more than role if government, economics, or anything else

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


Please continue to add to the signs, fill up the entire lot until it is entirely filled with signs showing the result of Republican education policy.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I just realized that is supposed to be tyranny.

Here's a account from a thinkprogress reporter who was invited to screen the new movie made by Rick Santuorum's Hentai studio at the Heritage Foundation.

quote:

In the discussion that followed, audience members were particularly interested in discussing LGBT issues. One woman was so thankful — a little choked up about it, actually — for the film’s perspective on these matters because she really struggles with how many same-sex couples live in her Washington, DC neighborhood, such that she sometimes doesn’t even go outside on Saturdays. She apparently engages with them often, and someone once asked her why she couldn’t appreciate — as a woman with a physical disability — the same kind of stigma they experience for their identities. “I didn’t choose to have a disability,” she told them. “You have chosen the lifestyle.” Many nodded and hummed in agreement.

Caros
May 14, 2008

A Winner is Jew posted:

The founder(?) has gone on record saying that they basically follow the tenants of Rand. Now this might be to troll people like Ryan and Paul but IIRC that comment was made before there were Randoid politicians so yeah.

Well that isn't really all that surprising considering they are the Church of Satan after all.

From what I read a while back they actually don't follow Rand's beliefs, which are nonsensical psuedo-philisophical bullshit, but rather the core tenant which is that you are the most important person in the world. Selfishness is a virtue, other people only exist insofar as what they can do for you etc.

The sad thing is that I would still take a large group of those types over a lot of the christian right. You know what to expect from them, and they aren't out to be actively malicious against you or other people unless it gives them tangible, material benefits. None of this 'crush abortion because think of the babies' bullshit from them.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I believe that their guiding tenet is "Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law" which is, you know, libertarian as all hell.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

zoux posted:

I just realized that is supposed to be tyranny.

Here's a account from a thinkprogress reporter who was invited to screen the new movie made by Rick Santuorum's Hentai studio at the Heritage Foundation.

quote:

Because watching people just talk at the camera is a bit dull, the film’s visuals are supplemented with newspaper and blog headlines and more stock footage than I’ve ever seen in my life. The footage was mostly cityscapes and people looking American — there’s a city skyline, there’s every single recognizable Washington monument and memorial, there’s some woman buying corn at a farmer’s market, here are some people boating, there’s the NYC subway, etc. At least half the film’s visual content consists of this irrelevant stock footage shown under the interviews, and each clip only shows for a quick second, advancing to the next at a seizure-inducing pace. They used so much random stock footage that I noticed some of it repeating before the film was over.

Ha ha that sounds like when I used to get lazy trying to illustrate a boring powerpoint presentation in undergrad

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

A Winner is Jew posted:

The founder(?) has gone on record saying that they basically follow the tenants of Rand. Now this might be to troll people like Ryan and Paul but IIRC that comment was made before there were Randoid politicians so yeah.

I don't think Ayn Rand was a good enough businesswoman to have any tenants.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

zoux posted:

I just realized that is supposed to be tyranny.

Here's a account from a thinkprogress reporter who was invited to screen the new movie made by Rick Santuorum's Hentai studio at the Heritage Foundation.
I understand what the guy was going for, but trying to draw a parallel between a physical disability and being gay probably isn't the best analogy.

E: well gently caress I should probably learn to read :downs:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

SubponticatePoster posted:

I understand what the guy was going for, but trying to draw a parallel between a physical disability and being gay probably isn't the best analogy.

You see it was the bigoted woman who was drawing that parallel. I don't think the openly homosexual reporter who mentions that he's gay several times in the article is trying to say that homosexuality is a disability.

Badera
Jan 30, 2012

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America.
From that Santorum article:

A loving Cardinal on Nov. 3, 2012 posted:

I am (correctly) quoted as saying that I expected to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square.

http://www.catholicnewworld.com/cnwonline/2012/1021/cardinal.aspx

:stare: I mean...just...what?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

You see with Christians becoming even MORE AND MORE PERSECUTED EVERY DAY, in 40 years Catholic Cardinals will be routinely jailed for their beliefs by the Athiest New World Order and 40 years after that we will be putting Christians to death in public squares.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Get into the persecution narrative bro! Obviously the liberals who want women to have health care will team up with ISIS and massacre all bishops.

e: b

Badera
Jan 30, 2012

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America.

zoux posted:

You see with Christians becoming even MORE AND MORE PERSECUTED EVERY DAY, in 40 years Catholic Cardinals will be routinely jailed for their beliefs by the Athiest New World Order and 40 years after that we will be putting Christians to death in public squares.

I mean, if loving only, but here in reality, I fail to see how anyone could think this was anything other than the frothing lunacy that it is.

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

zoux posted:

You see with Christians becoming even MORE AND MORE PERSECUTED EVERY DAY, in 40 years Catholic Cardinals will be routinely jailed for their beliefs by the Athiest New World Order and 40 years after that we will be putting Christians to death in public squares.

And at long last the thousand years of liberal darkness will begin.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

SedanChair posted:

Get into the persecution narrative bro! Obviously the liberals who want women to have health care will team up with ISIS and massacre all bishops.

e: b

Reports surface that ISIS was trained by Democrat's Bill Clinton & Barack Obama. What do you know? Liberals unleashing hell on earth? And they'll do it here if you don't stop them on November 4!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Badera posted:

I mean, if loving only, but here in reality, I fail to see how anyone could think this was anything other than the frothing lunacy that it is.

Dude they sincerely believe that they, the white Christian majority, are being systematically targeted and destroyed by an athiest government because there is more gay marriage and they can say swears on TV now.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre
I think you mean white male Christian majority.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

zoux posted:

Here's a account from a thinkprogress reporter who was invited to screen the new movie made by Rick Santuorum's Hentai studio at the Heritage Foundation.

No you missed the best part:

quote:

[Santorum] even said at one point that he’d wished conservatives had lost the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court case if only because it would have forced them to redouble their efforts more passionately. According to Santorum, anything that might fire up local pastors and ministers to speak out more would help advance their “religious liberty” effort and bring the church back to the center of culture where he believes it belongs. “The sooner the fight,” Santorum concluded, “the better.”

Just shows how much Rick Santorum really cares about Christians' religious freedom or about precious unborn babies for that matter. Rooting for more "persecution" of Christians, and wishing the court would rule against them because more "murdered" zygotes means more money and influence for him.

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Aug 6, 2014

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Maybe he thinks by the time his successor takes over the church will stop protecting pedophiles in it's ranks.

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!


zoux posted:

You see with Christians becoming even MORE AND MORE PERSECUTED EVERY DAY, in 40 years Catholic Cardinals will be routinely jailed for their beliefs by the Athiest New World Order and 40 years after that we will be putting Christians to death in public squares.

Well, if they would stop loving kids we would stop persecuting them. He's going to die in bed because of the coverups, his successor will be jailed when they can't hide paperwork behind religious exemption anymore and his successor will die in the streets because WHAT PART OF STOP loving KIDS DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

I'm pretty ok with tossing child rapists in jail, no matter what their religious title is. So yeah, if a cardinal was involved in the act or the coverup, let them spend all their days in the hoscow

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Relentless posted:

Well, if they would stop loving kids we would stop persecuting them. He's going to die in bed because of the coverups, his successor will be jailed when they can't hide paperwork behind religious exemption anymore and his successor will die in the streets because WHAT PART OF STOP loving KIDS DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND.

Uh I don't think we should be summarily executing people in the streets regardless of their stance on the Catholic Church child abuse coverup.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

VitalSigns posted:

No you missed the best part:


Just shows how much Rick Santorum really cares about Christians' religious freedom or about precious unborn babies for that matter. Rooting for more "persecution" of Christians, and wishing the court would rule against them because more "murdered" zygotes means more money and influence for him.

I don't think I've seen republican accelerationism before. Decelerationism?

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Caros posted:

Well that isn't really all that surprising considering they are the Church of Satan after all.

From what I read a while back they actually don't follow Rand's beliefs, which are nonsensical psuedo-philisophical bullshit, but rather the core tenant which is that you are the most important person in the world. Selfishness is a virtue, other people only exist insofar as what they can do for you etc.

The sad thing is that I would still take a large group of those types over a lot of the christian right. You know what to expect from them, and they aren't out to be actively malicious against you or other people unless it gives them tangible, material benefits. None of this 'crush abortion because think of the babies' bullshit from them.

Eh the Satanists you're discussing are just aware enough to realize that their 100% selfish worldview is sociopathic by construction, and that Rand and market libertarianism is indistinguishable from their own ethos to anyone who looks beyond her dressing-up of sociopathy with fancy words.

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

In other Christian movie news, the same studio that did God's Not Dead is releasing a movie about good, clean Christian romance on Valentine's Day 2015 as a direct challenge to the 50 Shades of Gray movie.

quote:

“I wanted to tell a love story that takes the idea of Godly romance seriously,” said Rik Swartzwelder, writer-director and lead actor. “A story that, without apology, explores the possibility of a higher standard in relationships; yet, is also fully aware of just how fragile we all are and doesn’t seek to heap guilt upon those of us that have made mistakes.”

Swartzwelder plays a former frat boy and Elizabeth Ann Roberts will portray a free-spirited woman. The tagline is “Chivalry makes a comeback.”

Or it was going to make a comeback until I held open the door for a feminist and she called me an oppressor.

In even further Christian movie news, did y'all ever see The Buttercream Gang :allears:

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