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Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Foyes36 posted:

I honestly wonder if that would generate the rare D wave.

Anecdotal, but I've been eligible to vote since 2004 and never did out of a combination of laziness and "One vote doesn't matter". Last year's shutdown and the incredible disingenuous republican bullshit that accompanied it motivated me to finally vote and I intend to do so in every single election that I can for the rest of my life, no matter how local or trivial.

Every candidate that I've voted for has won, by the way. Lookout, GOP, you created your greatest enemy :smug:

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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Shageletic posted:

Also of note, fedex losing their independent contractor case, making the people who actually drive and deliver packages members of the company: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/fedex-independent-contractors_n_5725076.html

This seems like it would effect Uber et all as well.

Tender Bender posted:

Anecdotal, but I've been eligible to vote since 2004 and never did out of a combination of laziness and "One vote doesn't matter". Last year's shutdown and the incredible disingenuous republican bullshit that accompanied it motivated me to finally vote and I intend to do so in every single election that I can for the rest of my life, no matter how local or trivial.

Every candidate that I've voted for has won, by the way. Lookout, GOP, you created your greatest enemy :smug:

Based on the data from midterms & general elections this has been the primary factor for depressed turnout. Minorities vote at about the same percentage every year, just young people check out.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Mercury_Storm posted:

So why is this guy not in prison yet?

Oklahoma City Bombing part 2. While he, and especially his followers who have shot at federal BLM employees deserve to spend the rest of their lives in a windowless cell, the militia movement's so far gone now that if he had been arrested these crazy fucks would've started shooting up and bombing places. The Cici's Pizza shooting of some cops was done by Bundy-types wasn't it?

Vahakyla posted:

This is awesomea and should improve the lives of FedEx driverd a lot. My friend just called about it, she has always wanted to be a UPS driver for their benefits, but poo poo's gon change for her hopefully.

Reading that article, she shouldn't get her hopes up. The ruling apparently differs from the rulings of multiple other courts, including DC's, so it's all but guaranteed to go to the SCOTUS. I don't see the SCOTUS ruling in favor of workers with its current makeup.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


mastershakeman posted:

Can you link to the affordable housing article?

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/28/6063679/the-biggest-thing-the-blue-states-are-screwing-up

Shortage of housing supply in cities like San Francisco and DC making them increasingly unliveable but for the well off has long been one of Yglesias' planks

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Evil Fluffy posted:

Oklahoma City Bombing part 2. While he, and especially his followers who have shot at federal BLM employees deserve to spend the rest of their lives in a windowless cell, the militia movement's so far gone now that if he had been arrested these crazy fucks would've started shooting up and bombing places.

The right wing going full terrorist sounds like a great catalyst for a voter backlash against the GOP, with any luck Obama will arrest Bundy and issue his immigration executive order at the same time and make conservatives totally fly off the handle in time for the election.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Evil Fluffy posted:



Reading that article, she shouldn't get her hopes up. The ruling apparently differs from the rulings of multiple other courts, including DC's, so it's all but guaranteed to go to the SCOTUS. I don't see the SCOTUS ruling in favor of workers with its current makeup.

Yeah I already got the second call that was during the low.

Goddamnit. I have never used FedEx services with my business and won't before that poo poo is fixed.
My UPS courier can't shut up how great his vacations, benefits and pay are.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Zeno-25 posted:

The right wing going full terrorist sounds like a great catalyst for a voter backlash against the GOP, with any luck Obama will arrest Bundy and issue his immigration executive order at the same time and make conservatives totally fly off the handle in time for the election.

The last time the right wing went full terrorist during Clinton's administration there was no blowback against the GOP whatsoever.

Vahakyla posted:


Goddamnit. I have never used FedEx services with my business and won't before that poo poo is fixed.
My UPS courier can't shut up how great his vacations, benefits and pay are.

You're doing God's work.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Beigeghazi rages on in the mind of Peter King.

quote:

“There’s no way any of us can excuse what the president did yesterday,” King said of President Obama on NewsMaxTV. “When you have the world watching. When you a week, two weeks of anticipation of what the United States is gonna do. For him to walk out, I’m not trying to be trivial here. In a light suit, light tan suit saying that first he wants to talk about what most Americans care about the revision of second quarter numbers on the economy. This is a week after Jim Foley was beheaded and he’s trying to act like real Americans care about the economy not about ISIS and not about terrorism. And then he goes on to say he has no strategy.”

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Even I would've never anticipated that the GOP would try to make a thing out of a tan suit.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
What kind of perverse hatchetmen drag a perfectly good suit into their political bullshit?

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shear Modulus posted:

The last time the right wing went full terrorist during Clinton's administration there was no blowback against the GOP whatsoever.

I'm too young to remember, but it seems to me that the GOP is much more in bed with the gun but/militia movement now than it was 20 years ago. Bundy and his crew were on Fox News constantly receiving extremely favorable coverage for standing up to Obama and big gubmint tyranny until his racist comments came out and he went down the memory hole. Large, spectacular attacks are also much less likely post 9/11 so it'd probably be a protracted series of shootings which would occur within the present political context of the GOP being uncompromising pro-gun crusaders.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

I don't really know what he's wanting to get out of this. There have been multiple airstrikes in Iraq against ISIS. Obama sent a secret mission to rescue Foley that was so successful (read: every single ISIS guy defending that location is dead with the only injury being a broken ankle) that we didn't hear anything for two months. The US special forces are teaming up with the SAS to form some Tom Clancy feverdream group to hunt ISIS.

And it's all negated by a tan suit.


Tan suit?

A shameful President.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Zeno-25 posted:

I'm too young to remember, but it seems to me that the GOP is much more in bed with the gun but/militia movement now than it was 20 years ago. Bundy and his crew were on Fox News constantly receiving extremely favorable coverage for standing up to Obama and big gubmint tyranny until his racist comments came out and he went down the memory hole. Large, spectacular attacks are also much less likely post 9/11 so it'd probably be a protracted series of shootings which would occur within the present political context of the GOP being uncompromising pro-gun crusaders.

That being said, I doubt the GOP will pick this particular hill to die on. They're slowly caving on same-sex marriage, too. If Obama or Clinton (yeah right, but I'm fantasizing) does something to seriously hurt big business, that's when I'd expect the GOP to stand or die.

quote:

Even I would've never anticipated that the GOP would try to make a thing out of a tan suit.

Hating the president because of what color the president happens to display isn't exactly unprecedented. :v:

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
GOP's real jealous that Obama's an actually attractive man, even after six years in office.

Bhaal
Jul 13, 2001
I ain't going down alone
Dr. Infant, MD
I love the Onion and wish I could get behind Clickhole but my first exposure to it was this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nORv34CSYv0

I live and grew up in Phoenix so it's just a bit too on the mark and callous. I fully admit that there are probably Onion articles that made me laugh heartily that were hurtful/offensive to others. It's always a fine line they walk on.

For more in news and psuedo-news talk, my news stems from twitter. It will lead me to a usual round of sites and publications but if you follow the right set of people you get a pretty decent curation effect going, smaller but important stories get picked up and circulated, etc. The hardest part of twitter for me was getting a good starting block of people to follow. Maybe this is spam but since people asked about news sources, here's the core of my twitter feed (at least as it would broadly pertain to D&D):

People in the journalism and news world
@costareports - WaPo congressional reporter. Often gives candide, in-person accounts.

@tanehisicoates - He swore off twitter for a while but is back and active.

@mattyglesias - yeah I know, but if you don't actively hate vox he is a great conduit for stuff

@kurteichenwald - with vanity fair, a bit of a firebrand and thus gets in a lot of twitter slapfights, but brings up decent stuff

@crampell - was at NYT, now at WaPo. Uncanny ability to pluck great stuff out of the ether and put it on her twitter stream.

@theonion - as noted, reality has made so many incursions on its territory that The Onion is basically an offbeat news site at this point

Politics

@congressedits - a bot that simply reports any wikipedia edits made from IP ranges that congress uses. A random recent example: https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/505341897905147904 (EDIT: have another: https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/502214097895968769)

@teapartycat - humor/satire account but makes some great points through the jokes. probability of the writer(s) following these threads: 85%

@lolgop - Another humor account. far less subtle than the above

Activism / Specific topics / etc

@shanley - a woman in the male dominated software development world, founder of site Model View Culture. Talks feminism and general culture in that sphere

@nickhanauer - one percenter who pretty much gets it re: income inequality. Pretty outspoken.

@kailijoy @thelindywest @amandamarcotte - I'm perhaps unfairly grouping these 3. They tend to write on issues related to feminism, but they definitely address other topics as well, and usually get published here and there. They can unfortunately slip into the habit of engaging in twitter slapfights with trolls, but given the amount of extreme vitriol they receive on there it is perhaps not a comment on them giving in to every provocation but instead a reflection on just how quickly many people go after them as targets.

Wildcard

@joycecaroloates - True to her prolific reputation, this lady is out there and active on twitter, often weighing in strongly on topical social issues, politics, world events, etc.

Bhaal fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 29, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

DoubleDonut posted:

GOP's real jealous that Obama's an actually attractive man, even after six years in office.

I would be too after the voodoo hex someone put on Dubya.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

eggyolk posted:

That's awesome. I was an independent contractor for a year and a half at a sign painting company. It wad great for my boss. We weren't allowed to work for anyone else or he'd fire us, couldn't request days off (I worked 44 days in a row at one point), no holidays or sick leave, no benefits of any kind. 11 hour days were common and we had a couple 18-20 hour days when he promised clients too much. He bought an expensive company truck that nobody could use for work cause he didnt want it dirtied up when he took his motorcycle to the track every few weeks. I lost an entire paycheck because I got a parking ticket during a job and he deducted it. After 14 months with no raises or benefits I managed to sneak in interviews elsewhere and "exercised my right to work". What a horrible practice.

E: Oh, and the only reason he gave overtime was because he was already being sued for not providing it for years. It was a perk of the job, he said. You should've seen the amount of childish backtalk they'd give to union guys if we had to share a job site.

Right to Work , Eat poo poo and Die.

Regarding tan suits (and this is incredibly stupid):

http://content.nilimahome.com/media...%2BStand-Up.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/02/article-0-126AF01A000005DC-254_634x478.jpg

But let's get to the real matter here. Where's the flag pin?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Nonsense posted:

Vox is bad because they removed the comment sections exposing them as the anti-free speech commies they are.

If communism means no internet comment sections, it's even better than I thought.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Nonsense posted:

Vox is bad because they removed the comment sections exposing them as the anti-free speech commies they are.

More sites need to adopt The Exile(d)'s comment policy: "we reserve the right to edit your comment to be what we think you should have said".

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Did Peter King just say that real Americans don't care about the economy?

kaynorr
Dec 31, 2003

Newschat is better than Amergin derails, so why not...

Bhaal posted:

For more in news and psuedo-news talk, my news stems from twitter. It will lead me to a usual round of sites and publications but if you follow the right set of people you get a pretty decent curation effect going, smaller but important stories get picked up and circulated, etc. The hardest part of twitter for me was getting a good starting block of people to follow. Maybe this is spam but since people asked about news sources, here's the core of my twitter feed (at least as it would broadly pertain to D&D):

For me, doing my newsgathering from Twitter is a bridge too far because there is simply too much crap to sift through, and I think expecting most people to stay informed at that level is just unrealistic. Aggregators like Vox or Sullivan or whatnot are genuinely adding value because of their ability to synthesize and tell what's bullshit. That's actually my biggest beef with Sullivan is that he'll pretty much post tweet on one of his hot button topics without attempting to verify or check for bullshit more often than not, Vox is better in that regard in that they consider they'd rather be right than first.

In terms of politics, Twitter is a bad news medium because it's just too easy to flood the zone with crap - I already have a job and I can't be bothered to run down every scrap of information to see if its astroturfed bullshit or the real thing. You can complain about the lack of critical thinking skills all you want, but if you want people to be better informed you can either put a hundred million Americans through a quality Journalism 101 course or you can farm that out to a smaller number of specialists and reap the rewards of their work.

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

"I don't mean to be trivial here, but the president's suit look like a dish rag."

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Internet Webguy posted:

"I don't mean to be trivial here, but the president's suit look like a dish rag."

Peter King is the Ultimate Hustler...

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
Contractors, file IRS form SS-8 now if you're still employed. If not, file 8919 instead of 1099 during personal income tax season if you're not worried about retribution.

http://irs.gov go go go

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

computer parts posted:

This seems like it would effect Uber et all as well.


There's already a federal lawsuit on the matter: http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2013/08/20/lawsuit-alleges-uber-unfairly-withholds-tips-drivers

The lawyer also filed a class action civil suit in Suffolk County Superior Court. That's the latest I've heard of what has happened in either case.

And about the Fedex case, remember, there's still an en banc decision likely, then further appeals possible. But there is a growing trend of legal cases nationwide in various industries pointing to the instability of the"independent contractor" model. If you are one, you might have noticed increasing benefits or options in your own line of work, on a case by case basis of course. This is why.

InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012

BiggerBoat posted:

Let's see here. All ready for school. Got my pen, my paper, my books, my homework, my computer and my lunch. Off I...OH poo poo! I forgot my KNIFE!

Number of times I've needed a pocket knife through my entire education: ZERO.
Man, what kind of prissy private school you go to? You mean to tell me you never once had to clean a deer carcass or shank a bitch during your middle school years? Kids today are so sheltered...

Cheekio posted:

I don't think this got any love on the page it was posted, which it deserves.
I was kind of afraid it was too subtle compared to people talking about "coloring perceptions" and what not. Glad to see someone got it.

InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Aug 29, 2014

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

BiggerBoat posted:

Let's see here. All ready for school. Got my pen, my paper, my books, my homework, my computer and my lunch. Off I...OH poo poo! I forgot my KNIFE!

Number of times I've needed a pocket knife through my entire education: ZERO.

I used mine a couple times. At the very least, there's plenty of lunches a knife can make more pleasant to it (I don't know why cutting fresh food into bite size chunks makes them so much more enjoyable, but it really does). Usually though the school will provide one in situations where you are likely to need it at school (art class, for example) unless it's one of those zero-tolerance-maximum-stupidity schools that say knives are always weapons and there's never a valid use for one.

I mostly used mine for after school but before I came home which often entailed spending at least an hour or two playing in the woods where a knife can be really useful. I certainly consider my time in the woods part of my education, even if it wasn't part of my formal education, and wood carving is a great thing to learn and a great way to pass time while on a long boring walk. They're also useful for sizing and cutting rope, and rope is like one of the most fun and educational things to play with as a kid. Or at least it was for me.

Not that Bundy and his family aren't morons, but they certainly can be useful educational tools for the sort of hands-on education and materials-shaping that I really loved as a kid.

InequalityGodzilla posted:

I was kind of afraid it was too subtle compared to people talking about "coloring perceptions" and what not. Glad to see someone got it.
I got it and thought it was pretty good too, just didn't know what sort of comment would be worth making about it beyond silent appreciation.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
Usually the school provides utensils for lunch. You know, the lovely plastic ones that you can't actually use on other human beings. You don't need to bring a pocket knife to school.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

JT Jag posted:

Usually the school provides utensils for lunch. You know, the lovely plastic ones that you can't actually use on other human beings. You don't need to bring a pocket knife to school.

Stone Cold Steve Austin disagrees, everybody should have a pocket knife on them at all times. You are objectively and subjectively wrong.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.

Vahakyla posted:

Yeah I already got the second call that was during the low.

Goddamnit. I have never used FedEx services with my business and won't before that poo poo is fixed.
My UPS courier can't shut up how great his vacations, benefits and pay are.

For what it's worth, FedEx is spread out to a bunch of different companies with "FedEx" on the label. This ruling effects Ground and Home Delivery, because they're the ones with the terrible contractor nonsense (a legacy from when those services were owned by another company). Express, Custom Critical, even Freight are all run differently. Express treats their full time people pretty great, with pay and benefits comparable and in some cases better than the UPS equivalent. Still not union, though, like UPS is.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

JT Jag posted:

Usually the school provides utensils for lunch. You know, the lovely plastic ones that you can't actually use on other human beings. You don't need to bring a pocket knife to school.

Hence the whole "usually the school will provide one" comment? Usually one appropriate to the task at hand.

There are few things that are actually necessary to bring to school.

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Aug 29, 2014

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Quote of the Day: "When we get through with ISIS it should be 'IS-was'." ~ Benjamin Carson.

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

Joementum posted:

Quote of the Day: "When we get through with ISIS it should be 'IS-was'." ~ Benjamin Carson.

Finally, something Dr. Carson and I can agree upon. Now, how do we do that Dr?

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

Pohl posted:

Finally, something Dr. Carson and I can agree upon. Now, how do we do that Dr?
Obviously we need to do whatever Obama isn't doing.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Obviously we need to do whatever Obama isn't doing.

Surely you don't mean we should all play....Negagolf?!

YeahWhatevah
Oct 28, 2013

Pohl posted:

Finally, something Dr. Carson and I can agree upon. Now, how do we do that Dr?

"Details! Details!"

Actually I'm aware that he was a surgeon and no doubt quite detail oriented within his former field. I'm sure his bog stock answer is throw countless money, men, and materiel at the problem. Funny how the Hippocratic Oath along with long range planning goes out the window once the scalpel goes back in the bag.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Berke Negri posted:

Did Peter King just say that real Americans don't care about the economy?

Obama talks about the economy, "what about terrorism?!?!" He talks about foreign policy, "What about JOBS and the ECONOMY?!?!?!"

It loving sucks because if Republicans could just stick to the legitimate reasons to take Obama task and stop acting like petulant children, it would have more resonance and lead to a better discussion, more unity, a common discourse and maybe even better government, but all they seem to really do is wait for Obama to say that the sky is blue and up is up and then claim it's really red and up is actually down.

I honestly never thought it could get this bad and I naively thought (twice) that President Obama would actually help alleviate this problem. The GOP just dug in harder. If Hillary is elected in 2016, and I'm being dead serious, she should advocate for the exact opposite of her policy positions because that's the only things Republicans want to pass. If she wins and says "Repeal Obamacare!" and, again, I'm seriously not even joking anymore, the GOP will say "Hold on. Hold it. Hold it. Let's not get crazy here."

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

paranoid randroid posted:

What kind of perverse hatchetmen drag a perfectly good suit into their political bullshit?

Obama's suit looked pretty ugly. :shrug:

Tan suits are like Fedoras. If you think you should wear one then that means you shouldn't.

Nonsense posted:

Stone Cold Steve Austin disagrees, everybody should have a pocket knife on them at all times. You are objectively and subjectively wrong.

I tend to have my knife on me constantly but I still never took one to school with me as a kid. If people carried knives at my school there would've definitely been fights that ended in a stabbing. Instead they ended with chunks of hair ripped out, or one with a snapple bottle smashed in another girl's face and holy poo poo the blood. :stonk:

But she only needed a couple stitches, rather than a loving coffin like if the crazy rear end that attacked her had been carrying a knife. Kids don't need to carry a knife around at school. Period. They're useful tools but I'm ok with schools having no tolerance for someone bringing a pocket knife in with them.

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Obama's suit looked pretty ugly. :shrug:

Tan suits are like Fedoras. If you think you should wear one then that means you shouldn't.

Obama's suit is immaterial to the problems we face.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

GlyphGryph posted:

There are few things that are actually necessary to bring to school.

Where would you rank "knife"?

I mean OK. It's cool that that yours came in handy "a couple of times" and all that, when you had to cut an apple or carve a pinewood derby car, but seriously. Is "knife" before or after "claw hammer", "acetylene torch", "BB Gun" or "ice pick"? So, between the two of us, a knife came in handy exactly TWICE, if I'm doing the math correctly, and both times it was in an "Oh. How convenient" way? I don't think preventing 14 year old kids from bringing weapons to school constitutes fascism or a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

My parents would have dressed me down and threatened to kick my rear end if I decided to bring a loving knife to school. I look forward to sending my child to a school that disallows knives.

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