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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Oh my god how I have missed the return of our Lord and Savior ~~The Free Market~~ jrodefeld for so long.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2014 00:09

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 09:18

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Cnidaria posted:

Holy poo poo I was just waiting for inflation to be brought up since libertarians/bitcoiners seem to think it's the devil.

Well it is dark magic that makes fiat money exchange for less gold so that makes sense at least.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2014 03:04

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

jrodefeld posted:

Let's suppose that tomorrow all the owners, all the promoters and executives disappeared from the face of the Earth. Now, explain to me how the NBA players are going to get paid the same salaries they do now? Who is going to sign their checks? Who is going to handle the business side of professional sports, the promotion, the advertising etc?

Literally anyone???

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 01:18

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

jrodefeld posted:

My god you are so loving stupid it is embarrassing. Why don't you enlighten us all with your in depth knowledge of the economic concept of time preference?

A wage laborer agrees to work for a capitalist in part because the wage earner has a higher time preference. Meaning they want the money now for the labor they do. They don't want to put off a return on investment for months and months as the entrepreneur has to do.

Does this mean that the wage laborer doesn't work hard, or in some cases harder, than the entrepreneur? No, but it still means that the wage earner has a relatively higher time preference. It has nothing to do with laziness or who works harder than someone else.

Nor is it inherently better to have a very low time preference. Have a low time preference just means you are more future oriented and you plan for the future. If you are 70 years old and have no children, should you have an extremely low time preference and plan for fifty plus years down the road? This would be irrational. It would be stupid and nonsensical for people to have an extremely low time preference and delay gratification and consumption for no good reason.

A wage laborer works for capitalist because the capitalist owns the means of production. According to you here, the only thing stopping minimum wage earners from becoming the bourgeois is their unwillingness to save the :10bux:

left over after paying bills.

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Furthermore Hoppe, in those quotes, was comparing African culture to European culture. On average, he said, people in African nations have a higher time preference than those in European nations. This probably has a lot to do with the differences in development and relative prosperity between the two cultures.

A parent in Ethiopia is probably not saving money for their children to go to college. Poorer nations naturally have a higher time preference because people have to eat! How can you plan for the future if your immediate needs are not met.

This probably has to do with relative prosperity? Well geez you think so? :rolleyes:

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 01:29

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Socrates16 posted:

So is the central premise here that anarchsim is impossible, and therefore should not be even sought as a goal?

Yes, anarchism is dumb as hell

Socrates16 posted:

But I mean with government regulators instead of mods. The website would be on servers like the ACA exchanges. Do you think that would be an improvement?

No because that's dumb as hell. Your example is of a free speech dystopia rather than of regulation of the economy.

Socrates16 posted:

Personally, I think it's adorable that you all think that the state helps poor people more than it steals from them.

[citation needed]

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 06:18

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Socrates16 posted:

Government no longer stealing from them would be a start. Food price floors and various tariffs make food much more expensive and unhealthy, which leads to even more expensive health issues. Inflation takes away poor people's purchasing power, patent and copyright prevent lower cost alternatives to technology. Government steals the loaf of bread and then gives back the crumbs. It makes me sick.

lol

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 06:19

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Actually thinking of TCC, I'm changing my vote to yes. SA would be better if the government ran it because then the DEA would at least close the heroin thread.

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 06:22

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Socrates16 posted:

Lol at US healthcare being private.

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 06:24

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Socrates16 posted:

I use a definition of inflation you probably don't. My bad, that's confusing. To an Austrian, inflation is simply money printing. What you're talking about is what I call price inflation.

Then since we're not on a metal backed currency anymore, inflation no longer exists as Austrians know it, QED ya'll need to shut the gently caress up about inflation.

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 06:57

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I remember in his last thread when he made up some poo poo about waiting lines in Canada, a Canadian poster told him to shut the gently caress up because that SOCIALISED MEDICINE allowed his younger sister to get cleft lip surgery free of charge to his parents.

Its pretty hilarious/telling how he constantly ignores posters with real life examples about how wrong he is.

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 19:01

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

CharlestheHammer posted:

To be fair, he does have a lot to respond too, I think missing a chunk is understandable.

It would be understandable if the thread wasn't DEBATE ME, JRODFELD, AND ME ALONE.

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 20:17

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

xtal posted:

Whenever people are making fun of libertarians it's always about crud like monopolies and selfish businessmen. What about left libertarians aka anarchists who don't believe in that either?

Anarchists throw in "and then we'll magically develop full communism world wide overnight and thus none of these issues matter".

# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 05:56

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

XyloJW posted:

He made a post in the Michael Brown thread.

Not just any post, I think this might be my favorite post on all of the forums now.

jrodefeld posted:

I am outraged about this incident. As Radley Balko explained in "Rise of the Warrior Cop" and authors like John Whitehead and commentators like Will Grigg have covered, we have an epidemic of police misconduct and a rise in the use of SWAT team raids. Furthermore we have seen a systematic militarization of our police forces. I don't think it is an exaggeration to state that we live in an emerging police state. Well off white people and privileged groups might find that statement hyperbolic, but poor blacks have long viewed the police not as the protectors of their rights, but rather as their oppressors and their enemies. It must be a horrific feeling to fear for your life, to know that any day a cop could end your life without you having done a thing wrong.

On the libertarian thread, I was making the case that we should embrace anarchism and remove the State monopoly on justice and police protection. This is just another example of why. Police forces have literally been terrorizing some communities in this Country for years and the people to whom to police are supposed to be accountable have no recourse.

Now, what if each community were able to collectively hire a private protection company to keep them safe and secure their property? If incidents like this one started to happen, then the community could immediately fire that defense agency and hire a more competent agency to serve the community. Furthermore, since a private defense agency would have no special privileges over any other citizen, if an agent of a private defense agency murdered someone, they would be held accountable just as any private citizen would. The government protects their own. A corrupt cop is very likely to be treated more favorably by a judge than a private criminal.

Poor African Americans know about police abuse and the rest of the United States are starting to get a wake up call. The police our our enemy. Fire the State monopolized police and replace them with privately competing security agencies who, as entrepreneurs looking to please their customers, have to actually meet the needs and interests of the community they serve.

# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 07:06

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Socrates16 posted:

You're right. As we all know, foodborne illnesses are now a thing of the past. Thanks, our god, government!

Hey you wanna know a secret? :ssh:

A big reason why food borne illnesses are still a thing in America is because your ideology has made it impossible for the responsible agencies to get funding to actually police food manufactors :ssh:

Socrates16 posted:

Dude was at best implying that being libertarian has anything to do with being pro-corporation, which is some old bullshit.

"My ideology would allow corporations to rule over us like the feudal lords of old but that doesn't mean its pro-corporations! :qq:

# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 06:18

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

So once corporate charters no longer exist, mcdonalds et all disappear into the ether?

Well count me the gently caress in!

# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 06:20

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Libertarianism is a crime against society and should be punishable by guillotine

# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 06:23

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Badera posted:

Seriouspost, is this bannable?

It has been the last half a dozen times he's done it.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 17:04

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 09:18

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Who What Now posted:

Also please don't ban Jrod yet. At least let us squeeze a little more entertainment out of his stupidity before giving him the axe.

Don't ban him at all. Forcing him to pay :10bux:

to rereg only lengthens the gap between his hilarious posting.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 18:43

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