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Falukorv posted:When Bosse Ringholm got caked back in 2001, DN's op-ed section wrote about how the government should get a sense of humour and a sense of scale when Göran Persson and friends described the act as a threat against democracy. How things change. Well i tend to agree with the "leftwing extremist are just as bad" argument. Simply because I went to a school close to an immigrant heavy area although this school had like 7-8 immigrants. We had quite a few Neo-nazis and the like. Some of them I've met on occasion and others I've just heard about but many of them are leftwing extremists now. They just confused their cause and continues with stupid violence "because they do it" which was the same argument they used in school when they were prepping for some immigrant beatings. hosed up people will be hosed up and do lovely things, not going to accept their methods because of some other equally retarded crowd exists. Anecdotal I know but they're the exact same kind of people that runs SD.
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Looks like a real party in that house on the right, and possibly a heavy metal concert or something back at that hill. Sign me up 
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The cross crackling in the breeze over on the right was, imho, a nice touch.
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RajCooper posted:Well i tend to agree with the "leftwing extremist are just as bad" argument. Simply because I went to a school close to an immigrant heavy area although this school had like 7-8 immigrants. We had quite a few Neo-nazis and the like. Some of them I've met on occasion and others I've just heard about but many of them are leftwing extremists now. They just confused their cause and continues with stupid violence "because they do it" which was the same argument they used in school when they were prepping for some immigrant beatings. hosed up people will be hosed up and do lovely things, not going to accept their methods because of some other equally retarded crowd exists. Anecdotal I know but they're the exact same kind of people that runs SD. The leftwing extremist could as well be nazis in the right circumstances, since they are the same type of people with the same fascist disregard for democracy. They are there for the thrills and the adrenaline. The demonstration yesterday is a good example, 7 SvP was confronted by 2000 demonstrators, which predictably ended in a fight with the police. If we look at Sweden, the nazis are a loving joke and get an extreme amount of publicity in comparison to how many voted for them. 681 votes last election for SvP, so we are really close for the nazis to take over. For our journalists they are a convenient scapegoat for smearing SD by guilt-of-association, which should hardly be needed. As for how threatening the different factions are, the left-wing extremists are the bigger threat to Swedish democracy, followed by islamists, at least as valued by SÄPO. The left-wing extremists in Sweden are organized and are responsible for large amount of low-level harassment of political opponents. They are not only attacking nazis, but also SD as well as the mainstream political parties such as M, FP, KD and C. Ivar Arpi describes this in a article "Vänsterns fina, goda hat". The left-wing extremists have connections to mainstream media, (see Researchgruppen as an example).
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I'm an American-born Swede with full dual citizenship that I only became aware of and finalized a few years ago. I'm a complete noob with Swedish politics, but I intend to educate myself and participate. For now I know so little that I won't do anything but read discussions, but I have one silly question which I can't seem to find the answer to via Google: Can I submit an absentee ballot from the US and how do I do that?
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Randandal posted:I'm an American-born Swede with full dual citizenship that I only became aware of and finalized a few years ago. I'm a complete noob with Swedish politics, but I intend to educate myself and participate. For now I know so little that I won't do anything but read discussions, but I have one silly question which I can't seem to find the answer to via Google: Can I submit an absentee ballot from the US and how do I do that? You can find out all sorts of information here: http://www.val.se/sprak/engelska/index.html Hmm, doesn't seem to be that much information there in English but it might be enough to answer your question. Kamrat fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Randandal posted:I'm an American-born Swede with full dual citizenship that I only became aware of and finalized a few years ago. I'm a complete noob with Swedish politics, but I intend to educate myself and participate. For now I know so little that I won't do anything but read discussions, but I have one silly question which I can't seem to find the answer to via Google: Can I submit an absentee ballot from the US and how do I do that? You're eligible to vote if you are a Swedish citizen and if you at some point in your life have been "folkbokförd"(registered with the tax office) as living in Sweden. If that's the case and it was less than 10 years ago you left sweden, you should have gotten the "voting card" sent home to you. If it was more than 10 years since the last time you were registered in sweden you'll have to contact "valmyndigheten" and they will add you to the list of eligible voters and send you your voting card. When you finally have your voting card, you can either vote at an embassy or consulate, or by mail. Fader Movitz fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Fader Movitz posted:You're eligible to vote if you are a Swedish citizen and if you at some point in your life have been "folkbokförd"(registered as with the tax office) as living in Sweden. I did register as a permanent resident with Folkbokföring and Skatteverket when I was over there so I guess that the voting card was sent to my Swedish address and my dad just forgot about telling me. Considering that the elections are in two weeks, am I screwed for this one?
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Randandal posted:I did register as a permanent resident with Folkbokföring and Skatteverket when I was over there so I guess that the voting card was sent to my Swedish address and my dad just forgot about telling me. Not necessarily, you could get your father to vote for you acting as a messenger or if you have the ability to go to a Swedish mission you can vote yourself there. Information in English here (Search for Voting by messenger and Voting at diplomatic missions abroad) All you apparently need to vote on a Mission is an ID-card, it doesn't say so on the English page but it says so here
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Randandal posted:I did register as a permanent resident with Folkbokföring and Skatteverket when I was over there so I guess that the voting card was sent to my Swedish address and my dad just forgot about telling me. As long as you're folkbokförd as a permanent resident in sweden you won't need the voting card since you don't count as a utlandssvensk but rather as a Swedish citizen temporarily abroad. Just go to the nearest embassy or consulate with a Swedish passport or ID. You have until the day before election day to cast your vote.
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Sweet! ID Card is in my wallet and assuming my local representative of Sweden isn't away on vacation I have a consulate within ten miles of me. Thanks guys, I really appreciate this, especially sleuthing out the Swedish websites with information unavailable in English. Now I just have to figure out who to vote for, especially in my local elections... In Malmö. 
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Kalle Anka is a totally cool dude, not like those other politicians and he even got his own party, you might be able to vote for him.
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Pimpmust posted:Kalle Anka is a totally cool dude, not like those other politicians and he even got his own party, you might be able to vote for him. If I hate the rest of them yes, but I have a hard time believing Kalle Anke is the only feasible political candidate without pants.
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Randandal posted:Sweet! ID Card is in my wallet and assuming my local representative of Sweden isn't away on vacation I have a consulate within ten miles of me. Thanks guys, I really appreciate this, especially sleuthing out the Swedish websites with information unavailable in English. Skånepartiet is the hilarious and also very rascist option. I especially like nr 3 here.  The current ruling coalition in Malmö is S+V+MP, where V have problems seeing political violence as a problem and S have problems explaining why there is a problem with antisemitism in Malmö. S recently changed the local leader, who was a pragmatic socialdemocrat to one of his underlings.
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  This woman's been in the news for the exact same reason several times before. It's a wonder (mp) doesn't kick her out. Reminds me of the almost literal tinfoil hats in Mora who almost got the local cell phone network turned off a few years ago. Also, Cardiac, congratulations on your new avatar. Someone who followed the Scandinavia thread in LF seems to like you; nils was kind of a local celebrity. Oh, and I voted today. This thing with voting stations in all kinds of public places really sorta owns, you can just walk in there when you happen to be passing by and take five minutes to get it done. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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TheFluff posted:
I love the fact that she's the top name. Really, MP, you couldn't find anyone better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT_dGITzzOU In swedish, and captions aren't available, unfortunately.
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Well, that MP have a lot of nutjobs is hardly a secret. That have been the case throughout their entire history. Some of the latest examples was one spokesperson for Grön Ungdom that wanted to ride around at shoot arrows in peoples heads, http://www.unt.se/uppland/uppsala/gront-sprakror-vallar-social-storm-3309855.aspx and Mehmet Kaplan, group leader i riksdagen that compared jihadists in Syria with volunteers in the Finnish Winter War.  http://stefanolsson.nu/2014/07/01/miljopartiet-liknar-jihadister-vid-frivilliga-under-finska-vinterkriget If I were someone high up in MP, I would be really afraid about entryism. As for my new avatar I am doing my part for keeping these forums going. Making someone mad enough to pay 10 bucks for a new avatar is just hilarious. I am keeping it as a badge of honour.
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Cardiac posted:As for my new avatar I am doing my part for keeping these forums going. You should, I love that the ~legacy of nils~ lives on.
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I am still trying to decide what to vote for. I've been an expat for the past nine years and even though I read the papers fairly regularly I feel like I have no idea what's going on in the motherland. Probably because I read the papers fairly regularly. After taking a couple of "Valkompassen" tests online I've had parties such as PP, FP and SD suggested to me. The SD result was puzzling to say the least, it was the second most compatible option according to DN and I don't know why given that I'm not anti-immigration and ranked immigration issues as unimportant to me on the priority scale. Given how I ranked the issues I would have expected MP to top the list but I guess I am too much of a right-wing nutjob in all other areas but the environment? As it is, I would really like to buy myself a cabin (fritidshus) in northern Sweden to give myself a home when I am back and rent out when I am not to earn back at least a fraction of the loan payments. My suspicion is that the party/block most likely to gently caress me over with taxes for doing that is S and the other red-greens, so out of self-interest I should probably vote for a party in Alliansen but I just don't know. Maybe it's time to sit down and actually read the manifestos...
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Do what I do, hit up valstugorna and vote for whoever has the best free candy.  Haven't actually decided myself yet. I did vote for PP last election, but given poll numbers and the EU parliament election result it feels like a bit of a thrown away vote at this point.
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Konec Hry posted:You should, I love that the ~legacy of nils~ lives on. I don't usually hang out in D&D so what is the ~legacy of nils~? It sounds kinda interesting. Norrskensren posted:I am still trying to decide what to vote for. I've been an expat for the past nine years and even though I read the papers fairly regularly I feel like I have no idea what's going on in the motherland. Probably because I read the papers fairly regularly. After taking a couple of "Valkompassen" tests online I've had parties such as PP, FP and SD suggested to me. The SD result was puzzling to say the least, it was the second most compatible option according to DN and I don't know why given that I'm not anti-immigration and ranked immigration issues as unimportant to me on the priority scale. Given how I ranked the issues I would have expected MP to top the list but I guess I am too much of a right-wing nutjob in all other areas but the environment? Well, MP is like a watermelon, green on the outside, red on the inside. Compared to their latest pair of spokesmen they have taken a step to the left lately, partly due to the current left wave in Swedish politics. As for SD, besides immigration, their politics are in the middle between M and S, ie more socialist than M, more right-wing than S. In contrast to S and M they promise a lot of reforms since they allegedly will be able to have more money by limiting immigration. In your case and out of sheer self-interest I would suggest C, since they are the traditional party for people living in the countryside. They are currently doing weird mix of green politics with neo-liberal ideas. Other option would be KD, since they are stalwart against high property taxes (despite it being one of tools to prevent the coming house bubble).
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Cardiac posted:I don't usually hang out in D&D so what is the ~legacy of nils~? Back when the Laissez's Faire subforum (a D&D shitposting subforum, was dominated by FULL COMMUNISM NOW people) was still active there was a Scandinavian politics/general bullshitting thread in there. It was a pretty awesome place. Sometimes you had Norwegians with black-and-white philosopher photo avatars arguing about highway taxes for three pages in a row, sometimes you had people talking about video games and sometimes you had Kawa Zolfagary posting videos of himself doing things. One of the regulars in that thread, and much maligned by almost every other poster, was a poster called nils who was this amazing almost Toblerone Triangular-level libertarian nutjob, except I don't think he was trolling. There was much speculation about who he actually was and people tended to accuse other posters of being nils in disguise, etc. Someone who remembers the old LF threads better than I do feel free to expand on this. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Cardiac posted:Other option would be KD, since they are stalwart against high property taxes (despite it being one of tools to prevent the coming house bubble). Can someone explain the coming house bubble to me? Sweden has a shortage of housing from what I have seen, so while the prices may be unsustainable high, the demand is not going to alleviate. Issues important to me as a foreigner who just happens to be entitled to vote in Sweden, in no particular order: -More housing construction, for alleviating the housing shortage, the unemployment, and the over pricing (seems like a no brainer to me but that's why I want to know more) -No racist bullshit, and not accepting of racist bullshit from minority groups either. -Committed to neutrality (No sabre rattling hawks and no NATO) but committed to increasing defense readiness to enforce the neutrality. -Preservation of public nudity.
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Cardiac posted:I don't usually hang out in D&D so what is the ~legacy of nils~? MP aren't that red if you look at how they vote in the recent labor issues in the parliament. Same goes for SD, where 9 times out of 10 they side with Alliansen when voting in parliament on issues where the the Alliansen and the opposition are split. Especially if you look at labor and economic policy. They portray themselves as anti-establishment, but when it comes to stuff outside of immigration issues, they are as mainstream as can be.
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Randandal posted:Can someone explain the coming house bubble to me? Sweden has a shortage of housing from what I have seen, so while the prices may be unsustainable high, the demand is not going to alleviate. You prioritize like a Social Democrat I'll say that. We are in a very dangerous situation with the housing market for two reasons: 1 - Decreasing availability of rental housing, especially for young people. 2 - Increasing unemployment, especially with young people. This coupled with estate tax cuts has led to a price explosion in housing, most notably in Stockholm. A three room apartment will cost you about $200.000 right now on the low end as an example, in the north you can get two houses for that price. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:A three room apartment will cost you about $100.000 right now on the low end as an example Call that a bubble? Pffft, you know nothing Jon Svenne.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Call that a bubble? Pffft, you know nothing Jon Svenne. We had a financial crisis not 25 years ago for the exact same reason and pricing was not all that different back then.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:You prioritize like a Social Democrat I'll say that. We are in a very dangerous situation with the housing market for two reasons: Only 700 000kr for a flat with three room? Where abouts in Stockholm is that supposed to be?
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Fader Movitz posted:Only 700 000kr for a flat with three room? Where abouts in Stockholm is that supposed to be? Maybe that's the monthly rent.
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Fader Movitz posted:Only 700 000kr for a flat with three room? Where abouts in Stockholm is that supposed to be? Single room apartments mostly, but if you are a former rental customer of said apartment you can get a discount. Market value is in the range of 1.5-2 million for most 3 rooms though and I admit I kinda just spit out the 100k figure like its 1994.
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It's a lot more expensive than that, at least in the inner cities. Try http://www.maklarstatistik.se/ - in Stockholm city, the average price was 69k SEK per square meter. Small apartments (one or two rooms) also tend to be more expensive than the average since apparently everyone is single these days. The problem, as far as I understand it, isn't really the housing prices though, but rather the degree to which the households are in debt. Interest rates have been very low for a long time now and that makes people mortgage for more than they can perhaps afford, in the hopes that constantly rising prices will solve that problem for them. If prices start to fall and interest rates start going up, a lot of people might be in some severe economical trouble. Den som är försatt i skuld är icke fri, as Ernst Wigforss said (frequently misattributed to Göran Persson since he wrote a book with the same name) TheFluff fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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TheFluff posted:It's a lot more expensive than that, at least in the inner cities. Try http://www.maklarstatistik.se/ - in Stockholm city, the average price was 69k SEK per square meter. Small apartments (one or two rooms) also tend to be more expensive than the average since apparently everyone is single these days. On the topic of Göran Persson: Here is a very intresting "podcast" interview that came out today: http://podtrac.com/player/MzgyNDk1/MTM1 And Stockholm city is extremely expensive, as it's always been. But most of our housing construction have been in the suburbs especially in southern stockholm. And those prices have inflated quite alot but are still half of what they are in Stockholm city. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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TheFluff posted:
Ding ding! Swedish inflation has been really low, so rates have been almost 0% for a long time to keep deflation away. Cue middle aged middle/upper class people borrowing tons and tons of money to buy expensive urban apartments, since it's so cheap with the low rates. Since no-one's building houses anymore in urban Sweden, prices skyrocket. So the middle-aged middle/upper class people make huge profits from their real estate deals, and everyone wants to join the party. Now you have younger generations who are trying to get a place to live in the cities. You can rent, which often require you to have been in a queue for years (average in Stockholm is 7,2 years), or you can buy. Many of them are under- or unemployed. If they have a job, a lot of the higher positions and career opportunities are locked up by the older generations. So many (myself included) choose to borrow a huge amount of money compared to their income, since they have seen that previous generations did so and came well out of it, and it is now The Proper Thing To Do as a well adjusted urban grownup. If you don't like it, you can rent a small apartment far out in the outskirts of town. In four years or so. Oh, your parent's didn't put you in the queue when you were born? Then forget about living anywhere you actually want to live. All in all, a typical Western Housing Bubble in the making, except that it will probably be propped up for a long time since no-one wants to build attractive, reasonably priced urban housing, and the larger cities are still growing in population rather rapidly. Here are some official graphs and stuff: Household debt vs. income, percentages (Sweden, Denmark (fuuuucked), Norway, Finland, Germany)  Swedish housing prices (yellow = apartments, green = detached houses)  This doesn't matter so much for the election since it is more of a generational battle, with all parties being stuffed with middle class middle aged people who benefit from the current situation. At least Anders Borg (M) has been completely ineffective in preventing this development, no matter how many times he has blustered in media about what a Serious Issue it is and that banks should take bigger responsibility for it. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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lilljonas posted:You can rent, which often require you to have been in a queue for years (average in Stockholm is 7,2 years)
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LemonDrizzle posted:Is that to rent from a private sector landlord or social/state-owned housing? I have, however, been in the SKB queue since I was born (1987). Putting me in one of those was probably a good idea back then, but considering how many babies were born in the mid-80's and two housing crashes since then, the SKB queue is essentially a pyramid scheme these days (where people who are in the queue subsidy the comparably low rents of people who live in SKB apartments). The best hope I have for the two different queues I'm in is that they will serve me somehow if I end up getting divorced in my 50's and need a place to live. Otherwise, buying is really the only option if you want to live somewhere somewhat central. Not that I actually believe there will be any places to rent there when I'm in my 50's...
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