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Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Liberals

(Has an entirely different meaning around these parts)

TheFluff: No rundown on the Donald Duck party? For shame :colbert:

# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 06:26

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 06:55

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Fluff: Got another hot topic issue, making the trains run on time :italy:

Of course, no politician wants to touch that issue, what with not reaping any rewards until 10 years down the line.

As for privatisation, one word: Corruption, blatant loving corruption.

# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 07:04

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

That and often the Fri Skolor were once municipal schools sold out by local politicians on the cheap (very cheap) to either business-bros or other former-politicians. Something similar going on with homes for the elderly (and whatever else they can get their hands on).

Other fav: Outsourcing a lot of the Arbetsf�rmedling (employment agency/job centre) work to (a shitload of) private contractors on the taxpayers dime. The biggest scam running (not that it's entirely an invention of the current government).

# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 16:10

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Gyre posted:

Thanks for the OP, my gf is Swedish and I've been trying to understand their politics but there are a lot of details to remember, especially when you're used to a two party system. She plans to vote S in the next elections after becoming disillusioned with V's foreign policy after the EU elections.

EDIT: Speaking of which, all I got from her grumbling was something about the V�nsterpartiet preferring Cuba to the US in some way. Can someone tell me what their foreign policy actually is?

This is pretty recent and on their own site:

quote:

-V�nsterpartiet Is clear, we want to change the government on September 14. But for us, it will not suffice to Carl Bildt bank their moving boxes at the State Department. We also want to change course in Swedish foreign policy.

When Hans Linde today participated in the parliamentary foreign policy debate undistributed he sharply criticized the incumbent government and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, in particular. This applies particularly to aid policy, the increasingly hollowed-alignment and on arms exports.
- During the bourgeois government's first six years in power they sold weapons to the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia for more than 4 billion, neighboring Uniting Arab Emirates during the same period bought Swedish weapons for 1.7 billion and Pakistan have been armed for 7 billion, noted Hans Linde.
- But that's enough. We want the next government is developing a new stark law for Swedish arms exports that clearly and without exception prohibits arms sales to dictatorships, warring states and regimes that commit gross and massive violations of human rights.

Hans Linde was very clear that the Left wants the next government will pursue a foreign policy based in solidarity, and he pointed out that economic inequality is increasing rapidly; currently owns the 85 richest people as much as the 3.5 billion poorest people on earth
- Women and men around the world who know poverty, hunger and oppression in their everyday life to know that they have an ally in our country.
Hans Linde also raised capital flight, trade union rights, the recognition of Palestine and Western Sahara and that the Left wants to see Sweden actively engaged in efforts to find a political solution to the conflicts in Syria, Afghanistan, Colombia and Somalia.

Today's major foreign news was of course the Ukraine, and Hans Linde took up the serious situation there.
- We want Sweden to stand up for cooperation and dialogue with the EU's southern as well as eastern neighborhood and lets work for human rights prevail over narrow self-interests in Egypt and Tunisia, as well as in Ukraine, the Caucasus and Belarus. It emphasizes not least the terrible developments in Ukraine.

In his speech, emphasized Hans Linde to Left Party foreign policy is a feminist foreign policy. The next government should work together with civil society to develop a new and sharp Swedish Action Plan on UNSCR 1325 on women, peace and security. Also LGBTQ perspective was of course.
- We want the brave LGBT activists around the world are fighting for their right to express their sexuality, gender identity and expression to feel that they have a friend in Sweden's next government. While we are outraged over developments in Russia and Uganda, such assistance has decreased in recent years to the very organizations working with LGBTQ issues.

Towards the end of the speech addressed to Hans Linde (S) and Urban Ahlin, arguing that the Social Democrats now face a crossroads.
- Without the cooperation with other parties, you can not govern this country. If you choose to rule with bourgeois parties, you will not be able to pursue a foreign policy based in solidarity, equality and peace. And therefore, the question is to Urban Ahlin - will you recognize Palestine along with the Liberal Party? Will you protect military alliances with Jan Bj�rklund? Or should you try to ban arms sales to dictatorships together with The Center?
- A strong Left Party is the guarantor for the election on September 14 not only means that we replace minister at the State Department - but we also lay the foundation for an independent Swedish foreign policy grounded in solidarity, justice and equality.

And on the EU:

quote:

The Left is opposed to Europe and worked on no side before the 1994 referendum, we respect the outcome of the referendum, but have no reason to change our position of principle.

The Left believes that the EU restricts democracy. In the EU's decision-making structure has people very little opportunity to demand accountability from those in power. EU lacks a public law that we have in Sweden. For citizens of the EU, and not least for journalists, it is very difficult to examine the power and the exercise of power within the EU. The judiciary as the ECJ has means, unlike the Swedish courts, the right to deliver judgments that will direct legislative, not least in matters relating to the internal market. Celebrating Europe therefore not the minimum requirements of a democracy.

We criticize the EU to prioritize the internal market interests over the environment, labor rights, public health and consumer interests. European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has in several decisions established that priority.

The Left believes that the priority must be the reverse: Labour law, the environment, consumer protection and public health must prevail over corporate and market interests.

To ensure that the right to strike is protected and exempted from the internal market rules the ETUC has called for a so-called social protocol to be adopted by the EU. The Social Protocol would be legally binding. Left fully supports this requirement so far been rejected by the EU.

EU seeks to build a superstate, a United States of Europe, with common foreign policy and defense. This is even more evident after the so-called Lisbon Treaty was adopted by the EU. Increasingly, power is transferred from elected national parliaments to the EU institutions. EU law precedence over national law. EU will be able to pass laws and control policy in more and more areas. The Left is opposed to the Lisbon Treaty with its common foreign policy, common defense and of rearmament. We believe that Sweden, and work for peace and disarmament, benefit from our country's military non-alignment is guaranteed.

Left worked with the victorious No side in the 2003 referendum on membership in the economic and Monetary Union (EMU). Today we can see how right no side had. The monetary union has created and deepened economic problems in several euro area countries since EMU countries impose an economic policy, interest rate and exchange rate which does not suit them. The solution to that problem is more national sovereignty over economic policy, not less.

The crisis must be resolved. EU principle to privatize profits and socialize the losses will not work. The banks have to bear the debt they created. Government bank guarantees should only cover savers' money, not speculation. The debtor countries have to write down their debts, so that economic development can be reversed. The countries that so wish must get leave the currency union, and thereby be able to adjust the exchange rate and the interest rate to the real situation. It also requires the control and taxation of the global financial markets.

This policy needs to be amended forthwith. It requires massive public and environmentally friendly investments in Europe to reverse the trend. Only then can mass unemployment and the deepening crisis combated.

On Cuba, from Motion 2009/10:U202

quote:

6.1.5 Cuba

Few countries, if any, in Latin America get so much attention in Sweden as Cuba. But developments in Cuba is not unambiguous, significant social progress has been achieved while the violations of civil rights is extensive. The negative meaning of the United States blockade against Cuba can not be underestimated.

Cuba does not meet the necessary requirements to be placed in a democracy, and violations of human rights continue to occur, speech, press and assembly are severely limited and the lack of ability to form and / or organize themselves in free and independent trade unions. Amnesty International reports that there are still 57 Cuban prisoners of conscience, which unequivocally is 57 too many. The Left wants to see a democratization and greater respect for human rights in Cuba, but such a process must be shaped by the Cuban people themselves.

The Left looks simultaneously to social progress in post-revolutionary Cuba. Cuba live in many respects up to the economic, social and cultural rights contained in the UN Convention on Human Rights. Cuba also operates an extensive social solidarity in many Latin American countries as estimated by the continent's poor and sick. Even when it comes to sustainable development excels Cuba. According to the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) annual report "Living Planet Report 2006" Cuba is the only country in the world to live up to the criteria of sustainable development, both in terms of social welfare as an ecological footprint.

But that Cuba has made social progress does not excuse in any way the shortcomings of civil rights on the island. But neither can the economic blockade that has been kept alive by the United States in decades excused by reference to human rights violations in Cuba. The blockade is, among much else, a strong disincentive to the development of democracy and should not be supported. It also affects millions of Cubans the opportunity to access to medicines and medical techniques, and is therefore crucial for their health. To this can be attached to various UN programs on numerous occasions has suffered indented supplies of vaccines, syringes and other medical devices when manufacturers learned that products and materials are meant to be used on Kuba.3

Left parts of the UN General Assembly's criticism of the United States blockade against Cuba. In October last year voted basically all of the 192 members once again for a repeal of the USA economic blockade, embargo and financial blockade. Only the United States, Israel, Marshall Islands and Palau voted against. Amnesty denotes embargo immoral and believes that it should be lifted. Left share this view. It is completely unacceptable that a government, in this case the United States, decides on sanctions that so obviously affects an entire population. The Swedish government must clearly condemn the blockade and demand that the United States immediately cancel the same. This should be the parliament that the government give their views known.

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Aug 12, 2014

# ¿ Aug 12, 2014 16:31

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Cardiac posted:

Yeah, the current coalition have created an environment where private companies benefit from the taxpayers money. However I fail to see the difference from S, that have a long history of giving jobs to their own cronies.
As for Arbetsf�rmedling, no one gets any jobs from that anymore and some part of it might as well be outsourced.

It is kinda funny what the left is complaining about when it comes to privatization. They focus on healthcare and schools, while completetly ignoring construction (which is an oligopoly in Sweden) and private housing contractors for immigrants (that charge massive rates for housing immigrants waiting processing).

Agreed, we should deport Bert Karlsson (ironically the guy that started up the previous version of our current xenophobic populist party; Ny Demokrati).

Never claimed that the Social Democrats didn't have their own finger in that lucrative privatisation pie, G�ran Persson was all for that stuff.

As for the Arbetsf�rmedling, my point was that they should use the money to reinforce and fix that department rather than outsourcing it for even more money.

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 13, 2014

# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 16:20

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Benito Hitlerstalin posted:

Kristdemokraterna (Christian Democrats).
Ideology: Christian democracy.

A party of profoundly limited appeal and an unworkable party platform that has somehow clung to the 4% cutoff for ages. Spends most of their time blocking humane legislation and/or making big bucks on substandard privatized health care and/or retirement homes. Chairman G�ran H�gglund is actually witty. Doesn't help him much though, seeing as he's stuck with a hopeless party. Top issues are improving the care of elderly and reducing regulations for private enterprises.

Wants: For god to smite the unbelievers.
Voter base: Practicing christians, Moderates Party members/voters.

Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden Democrats)

The Christian Democrats should rebrand themselves as the "Religious

Democrats", with the stated goal to cater to the m�slimen hordes descending upon Sweden, not that I think that this will gain them many votes but because I will enjoy seeing SD go :supaburn:

Prav: There's another great FP poster like that, like "For the Schools" or some poo poo. Made me laugh. Also saw one where someone had put a big red magnetic sticker on Bj�rklunds nose so he looked like a clown.

# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 05:47

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Cornucopia, voice of (wealthy white male) ~reason~

# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 16:05

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Lawman 0 posted:

Please tell me that they want some fancy rifles to kill those darn ~~browns~~ wolves with as well.
Edit: Also is the tax rate in Sweden still as high as it is often portrayed?

It's not as high as it used to be, lots of various deductions and the social network account for a lot (free healthcare, a yearly fund for dental care and mostly free education):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

Sweden
Corporate: 22%
Individual (min): 28.89%
Individual (max): 57%
Payroll: 31.42%
VAT: 25% (most things) or 12% or 6%

on VAT:

quote:

There is a reduced rate of 12 percent for certain goods and services, including:

food and drinks except alcohol
hotel accommodation
restaurant services except alcohol.

In addition, there is a reduced rate of 6 percent for certain goods and services, including:

books and newspapers
passenger transport
certain sporting and cultural events
copyright to certain cultural work of art.

And some further exemptions entirely.

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Aug 14, 2014

# ¿ Aug 14, 2014 16:56

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

I'd tkae that 48 billion number with a pinch of salt, every department has a reason to inflate their budgetary needs (and even coupled with a nicely not-so-subtle threat too in this case).

Besides, that is money that doesn't really leave the country and acts as a sort of state support for the economy by keeping a lot of people employed and busy (a whole lot of not-super well-paid social workers and teachers for one). Probably more efficient than say, giving the Banks a QE injection, even if I'd prefer it if Bert Karlsson didn't get a cut.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 18:19

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

You know what time it is?

Cake time!

http://www.expressen.se/gt/hagglund-attackerad--fick-en-tarta-i-ansiktet/

# ¿ Aug 18, 2014 17:41

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Looks like a real party in that house on the right, and possibly a heavy metal concert or something back at that hill.

Sign me up :rock:

# ¿ Aug 24, 2014 09:12

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Kalle Anka is a totally cool dude, not like those other politicians and he even got his own party, you might be able to vote for him.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2014 17:40

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

My two economy teachers happened to be real estate brokers during the 90ies crisis (explains why they aren't in that business anymore :v:

) and man they had some fun stories to tell.

I "look forward to" crashing prices and interest rates in the 15-20% range :vince:

(my parents had just bought their first house during all that, fun times)

Maybe in time for the next oil price shock.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 16:20

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Well depends on if you want to rent 3rd or 4th-hand, you peasant :wotwot:

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 19:02

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

White Rock posted:

That poo poo pisses me off to no end. They campaign talking about "dubbel st�ten" (the double strike) refers to it as something that has been existing for years being removed and crying desperately for all the JOBS the evil socialists are taking from them when in fact:

1: The change happened 2012, so i guess if the restaurant industry survived 2 years ago it can still do so today?
2: It has led to fewer than 4000 jobs which (dividing by the cost of the program) comes out to be 1.35 million per job.

The election seems more or less a given for the reds, my only fear is that S will be unwilling to act on any of the issues due to fear of backlash. They have been really quiet about what real changes they want to make and what parts of the alliance politics they will remove / leave alone. Makes me a bit worried.

Turns out L�fven is actually a die-hard commie inside and have only been hiding it until he can get in power, soon the revolution and a communist paradise will be upon us! Run Timbro, run! :unsmigghh:

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 18:40

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

So stoic

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 06:04

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Saw that FI might just make it into the Riksdag, accordingly the DI comment field is a suitably entertaining read:
http://www.di.se/artiklar/2014/9/4/matning-fi-kommer-in/?allakommentarer=&flik=senaste

quote:

Skr�mmande att s� m�nga hyllar marxismen, de flesta partier tycks hylla folkmord s� l�nge de sker i n�gon av sina egna hyllade ideologiers namn; socialism, marxism, kommunism och islamism.

>Och vilka andra partier som inte sitter i riksdagen kan media t�nka sig att uppm�rksamma och lyfta fram??<
Endast kommunsitiska partier skulle jag gissa

Media skulle knappast lyfta fram t ex ett Sverigev�nligt parti som SvP. Utan h�r �r det hyllningar av folkm�rdarideologier som g�ller.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenskarnas_parti <--SvP

quote:

Hellre sk�nepartiet
Om Fi f�r makt finns det sk�l till att bryta sig loss

quote:

Sovjetunionen ville ha alltmer kvinnor som jobbade som m�nnen. Vad h�nde? Inte s�rskilt framg�ngsrikt. Sovjetunionen gick under

quote:

Gudrun har aktivt gett sitt st�d f�r Che Guevara aka Slaktaren fr�n La Caba�a, som under sin tid p� Kuba ansvarade f�r utrotning av 100.000 olikt�nkande, fr�mst anitkommunister och HBTQ personer. Varf�r f�r hon inte f�rklara det i dag?

quote:

K�nslom�nniskor utan f�rm�ga till logiskt t�nkande r�star s� gott som alltid p� ett v�nsterparti. Fi �r ett extremt parti utan f�rm�ga att leda landet. De best�r av kvinnor med v�lsmorda munl�der och kommunistiska id�er om hur samh�llet skall utformas.

Som f�retagare med 65 anst�llda kommer jag att s�ga upp varenda en och flytta verksamheten utomlands.
V�ljs Fi in i riksdagen har Sverige inlett marschen mot sin underg�ng.

- True Entrepreneur / "Sm�f�retagare" (possibly the most obnoxious opinion-havers)

To be fair there's a surprisingly large amount of positive comments too, for an open and anonymous internet comment field.

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 4, 2014

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 17:50

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

The housing/construction bubble is pretty drat scary, but I'm not sure if there's much to compare to (and unlike what many hopefuls think, that's NOT a good thing). Usually these bubbles don't have the construction part be so... restrained, do they? We aren't building millions of Mac Mansions here, real demand be damned, but rather the opposite. The result being that all of society ends up paying the Bubble-Fee yearly with wildly inflating prices, and a loan/banking sector that's all out of whack.

No bubble lasts forever and prices can't keep going up way beyond inflation either, so question is what's gonna break first and if it's gonna be Super Bad or Mega Bad. Way too many people have millions in loans are entirely dependent on low-low interest rates, yet people are more distracted by the immigration issue (which is more of a red herring in comparison).
Politicians either don't dare touch it, or have no clue at all for how to unravel the mess without causing an implosion.

It's like watching a balloon grow, but you don't know if it's filling up with harmless Nitrogen or highly flammable Helium gas :thejoke:

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Sep 7, 2014

# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 18:07

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

�kesson had all of 0 listeners when he went to rural Sweden up north, so ruralness has less to do with it short of cases where the municipalities decide to dump all asylum seekers in a few backwater villages to get them out of the way/collect money from the state for their "trouble". Education and income levels (both connected to the sort of job markets most exposed to competition with immigrants/the EU) is the primary drivers of SD support and why its mostly poorly educated white men who support SD.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 12:05

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

lilljonas posted:

I've seen some facebook posts by the diehard supporters, but no active campaigning in public. I'd be surprised if they get more than 0.5% this time.

They've plastered their posters all over my town so they seem to be doing some promoting but yeah, probably not gonna get much support. not the hip new party this time around :v:

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 05:59

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Captain Scandinaiva posted:

Meanwhile, I found a pamphlet on my bike today. Islam is the light apparently. I thought about checking how many votes they got last election, but they don't think people should vote since democracy was created by people and not god so welp.

Time for KD to modernize and generalize its appeal, Religionsdemokraterna here we come :getin:

Meanwhile I find Centerns recent rise in the polls completely mystifying, considering media has spent the last couple of years making GBS threads on L��f and C has been on the brink of falling below 4%. I haven't been following the debates, so what's with the sudden spurt in popularity?

# ¿ Sep 13, 2014 14:03

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Yeah well all that really doesn't explain this sudden surge. The farmers hate C/the right now due to certain... statements, and even Dagens Industri takes the piss out of C at any opportunity.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2014 14:53

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/14/sweden-election-feminists-greens-stefan-lofvan-social-democrats

Enjoy the comment section, even for the Guardian it's :psyduck:

The part about SD making inroads with immigrants from the 1960s though, poo poo.

It's like this clip should be mandatory in school or something

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Sep 14, 2014

# ¿ Sep 14, 2014 15:21

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

I enjoyed the Obama is a communist/extreme leftist posts the most.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2014 16:08

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

# ¿ Sep 14, 2014 21:42

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

TheIllestVillain posted:

Is the 80k figure total intake or just refugees?

Out of 115,845 people migrating to Sweden (2013) about half are assylum-seekers, mostly Syrians:

http://www.migrationsverket.se/images/18.5e83388f141c129ba631111f/1410165749842/Total_s%C3%B6k.png
http://www.migrationsverket.se/images/18.5e83388f141c129ba6311121/1410165759740/Asyls%C3%B6k_f%C3%B6rraveckan.png

The remaining top 5 are Eritreans, "country-less", Somalians and Afghans.

http://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-Migrationsverket/Statistik/Asylsokande---de-storsta-landerna.html

Around 20 000 each year are usually returning Swedes, then there's a bunch of other Europeans and some 13-20 000 work-premits offered to not-Europeans.

On the emigration side there's around 40 000-50 000.

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Sep 15, 2014

# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 05:36

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

German 2013 numbers by comparison:
Number of people moving to Germany to 1,226,000. Over the same period, 789,000 people left Germany.

Of the new arrivals in Germany, 1,108,000 were non-German nationals, 15% more than in 2012, according to Destatis. The number of German nationals returning to the country - 118,000 - remained almost constant in comparison.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 06:28

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Pretty sure culture isn't a fixed thing (even in a monoculture) and once people start rubbing up against each other it develops quite naturally from there, even if they are similar. The more and bigger the cultures are in this "mix", the faster and larger the developments are. So, take your bleak rear end Falukorv, sweet strawberries and grind it all up together with your favorite (totally swedish) meatballs. Now add some chili, tabasco and mango for flavour. Finally, add a big heaping of chocolate sauce.

Now let it sit and stew for 40-80 years time, once fully cooked you will have the sweetest piece of delicious Jazz to... eat? :lost:

# ¿ Sep 15, 2014 19:02

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Social grants/benefits have been studied and proven to be a pretty great way to boost the economy (at least in the US, but it's no different for Sweden). Poor people spending money that came from all over society (and specifically rich people money) on necessities creates more economic activity(i.e money) than is "lost". It's not like that money ignites the moment it leaves the cofferts of the state. In fact it will find itself right back there in a hurry again.
Having that money sitting around in a bank, be it the state or some rich dude, to collect interest (especially in todays economy!) is a loving terrible idea. Money going round and round through the moms wheel is what drives the bloody economy. And yes, that includes being better than tax-break for ye average man or I dunno, moms reduction for McDonalds ( :negative:

).

And on the flipside, turns out that our modern economy is terrible at creating jobs, so having a bunch of jobs linked to immigration is also a good thing.

That's without going into the details of having a couple of hundred thousand more (young) people a bunch of years down the line instead of negative population growth and an aging population. Those billions "spent" on immigration? Yeah we'd probably not have that money to spend on *anything* if not for our expanding population/economy. Sure, there's a point were adding more people isn't getting you much, but Sweden is about as far from that state as you can get.

So that's my 50 �re on the economic part.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2014 06:18

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Yeah, people seem to forget that S did a whole lot of school selling (for suspiciously low-low prices to suspiciously well-connected people) during their previous bout in power.

I wonder if we'll see any interesting changes in the final vote tally or it will just nudge a few .10% here and there.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2014 18:44

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Mymla posted:

I have wasted my vote

Would probably be less criticised as extremist than FI and their libertarian agenda would find many allies :devil:

# ¿ Sep 17, 2014 08:47

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

We need to receive more immigrants because at this sorry rate it will take what, thousands?! of years to get more votes than Germany in the EU :colbert:

Also protip: Put ligur and his nazi buddies on your fabolous ignore list. My only worry is that it might be starting to overflow at this rate, releasing some other horrid posters from its safe confines to plague my mind at some later date before I realize what's happening :ohdear:

# ¿ Sep 17, 2014 16:22

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

The immigrants we really should keep an eye on are the perfidious British :colbert:

I mean, I'm not racist and I'm good friends with at least one semi-British itperson (do they count as people?) but you know those sorts are trouble waiting to happen. Just look at India or North-America.

Just sayin'

# ¿ Sep 18, 2014 16:13

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

ReV VAdAUL posted:

There are more recent reasons to worry:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/20/spain-expat-elections-power-british

That and the case of the British Marines "accidentally" invading Spain recently. We have a saying in Sweden: "Runt Britter, laxera aldrig, inte ens en g�ng!" which translates into roughly "Around Brits, never relax, not even once!" :colbert:

# ¿ Sep 18, 2014 17:14

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

quote:

When I recently asked one of the very few Syrians I met in Oslo why he had chosen Norway, he said, �I thought Oslo was in Sweden.�

Suck it, Norway :smug:

# ¿ Sep 20, 2014 15:37

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Benito Hitlerstalin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4dNgl0sXiE

Pretty accurate, in every way.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2014 16:10

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Our new minister of culture reveals possible military ambitions, next to the leader of the Kalle Anka Party

I am not sure my body is ready for this level of :ducksiren:

# ¿ Oct 3, 2014 20:55

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Their supporters sure are hollering about forcing a re-election though, if ~internet comment sections~ are anything to go by.

Like them being totally pissed that MP got so many minister posts, despite having so few % of the vote compared to SD and that can't possibly be legal in a democracy :qq:

(What are they expecting, S to hand out posts to everyone? :psyduck:

)

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 20:15

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

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*everyone* in their examples ends up with more money but all the liberal papers headlines are salty tears :qq:

over the (70 000?) "ordinary wage earners" earning 50 000+ SEK income per month

e: To give some perspective to our international friends:

Translation:
80% of Swedish CEOs have a monthly salary between 41 and 164 000 SEK (average: 80 000).

2009
The Swedish Median monthly pay before taxes for all sectors, sex and occupation was 24 900 SEK, 19 000 SEK after taxes.

The Swedish Average monthly pay before taxes for all sectors, sex and occupation was 27 900 SEK, 20 500 SEK after taxes.

The 10% that earns the worst salary had a monthly salary at 19 000 SEK before taxes (that's something like 17 000 SEK after taxes).

The 10% that earns the highest salary had a monthly salary at 39 300 SEK before taxes.

The average salary for a academic with 3 years eduction post-high school (re: University bachelor educated) was 33 900 SEK before taxes.

And to add to that, the average female salary is 4 800 SEK lower than the equivalent male salary (2012).

Oh, and 70 000 is about 0,7% of the population.

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Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

I did actually see an article mention that there's like 135 other countries that have done it before Sweden, including like all the Eastern European ones (before they joined the EU).

Just the 1 article though, and I don't think it was Swedish either.

It's funny reading the cherry-picked debate articles in DN/DI though, basic gist is YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON ISRAEL SUPPORT, YOU WILL REGRET THIS. And something about the government having 2 dangerously *militant* anti-israel members (y'know, for having joined peaceful protests some years back).

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