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Kamrat posted:It's actually working somewhat, my grandmother who's always been a Social Democrat is now voting for the Left Party because she feels that they are what the Social Democrats used to be, she's frequently saying that the Social Democrats have gone to far to the right. As am I. And she's right. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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This is my take on the parties. You probably shouldn't (and don't) give a poo poo, but here it is: Parties in Sweden are traditionally divided into two groups; Borgare (literally: “the bourgeoisie”) and Socialists. This only really makes sense in a Swedish context, but whatever. Borgerliga Blocket (i.e bourgeois motherfuckers, currently also in coalition forming a minority government): Moderaterna (Moderate Party) Ideology: Liberalism, conservatism.   Right wing money-crowd. Current chairman and Prime Minister of Sweden, Fredrik Reinfeldt, deposed the old guard, pushed the party to the political center and won a bunch of elections. Notable wingmen are Carl Bildt (foreign minister and possible cold war sleeper agent) and Anders Borg (minister of finance, used to have a pony tail but is now completely unremarkable). Top issues are unemployment, job creation and FYGM. Wants: Money. Voter base: Men, Money. Folkpartiet Liberalerna (Liberal People's Party). Ideology: Liberalism, social liberalism.  Spent 8 years trying to fix our schools. Actually made them worse, but that's okay, because now, this time, they're actually fixing them, honest. Plus, it was all really the Social Democrats fault anyway, if you think about it. Headed by former military officer Jan Björklund, the party has drifted from vaguely almost-leftist-kinda-social-liberal to right wing liberal. Top issues are schools and education. Also schools. They really care about schools. Wants: Liberal stuff, like the freedom to choose between 15 different kinds of toothpaste, or what sort of vulture capitalist private school you'd like to Voter base: Educated men and women. Presumably. Centerpartiet (Centre Party). Ideology: Liberalism, agrarianism, social liberalism, libertarianism, juche, conservatism, fascism, socialism with chinese characteristics, republicanism, anarchism, nationalism.  Formerly agrarian, the Centre Party is now a parody party that will be whatever the gently caress you want it to be, as long as you vote for them. In practice, this manifests as a core of mostly elderly agrarians looking lost and confused as chairman Annie Lööf (whose southern dialect barely masks her mental retardation) and crew extolls the virtues of noted great thinker Ayn Rand, polygamy, flat tax or some other hilariously retarded thing. Top issues are whatever you want them to be, plus pigs or something. Wants: To be put out of their misery. Voter base: Rural Sweden and Inner City Stockholm. Kristdemokraterna (Christian Democrats). Ideology: Christian democracy.  A party of profoundly limited appeal and an unworkable party platform that has somehow clung to the 4% cutoff for ages. Spends most of their time blocking humane legislation and/or making big bucks on substandard privatized health care and/or retirement homes. Chairman Göran Hägglund is actually witty. Doesn't help him much though, seeing as he's stuck with a hopeless party. Top issues are improving the care of elderly and reducing regulations for private enterprises. Wants: For god to smite the unbelievers. Voter base: Practicing christians, Moderates Party members/voters. Socialists (and the Green Party): Miljöpartiet (Green Party) Ideology: Green politics, social liberalism.   The bourgeois left, also called. This is what you vote for if you've got leftist sensibilities but also a lot of money/time/live in the big city/whatever. Since they are cool and hip and progressive they've actually got two chairmen, known as spokespersons, instead of just one. One is political prodigy Gustaf Fridolin, a 30-something dude who's something of a veteran despite his relative youth. He is generally viewed as competent, intelligent and charismatic. The other one is Åsa Romson. She is a woman. Top issues are the enviroment, social justice... and some other things probably idk. Wants: Peace on earth, sustainable environment, pyramid healing centers, drum circles, etc. Voter base: Young educated women. Socaldemokraterna (Social Democrats) Ideology: Social democracy, social liberalism.  Social democratic worker's party. Plagued by internecine conflict ever since former “strong man” Göran Persson resigned in 2007. Former welder and trade unionist Stefan Löfven has taken a page out of the formers book and made efforts to consolidate his position and keeping the rest of his party in line top priorities. Currently has the left wing of the party under lock and key. Reciprocates by toeing the party line even when it goes against his own convictions. Pissed off at the Moderate Party for stealing their "boring centrist statesmen" schtick. Top issues are unemployment, job creation and equality. Wants: Power. Voter base: Unionized blue collar workers. Vänsterpartiet (Left Party). Ideology: Socialism, Feminism.  Token socialist party. According to popular wisdom the party is made up entirely of queers, foreigners, women and secret communists. This is probably true. Current chairman Jonas Sjöstedts plan, to, essentially, be Social Democrats now that the Social Democrats won't, is paying off, and the party is expected to make some modest gains. Top issues are stopping private profits in the welfare sector and halting further privatizations. Wants: Mandatory gay marriage and the complete destruction of Swedish society. Voter base: Social Democrats. Other: Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden Democrats)  Honestly this (old and tired) .gif sums them up better than words could. I'll add that their voter base consists of uneducated males and people from the southern parts of Sweden. Also, a bunch of people will probably disagree with my extensive in depth analysis above. Those people are probably also dumb, wrong and stupid idiots. 
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Folkpartiet has been making some noise recently, but it's pretty much the same as ever. No giants shifts in public opinion from what I can tell.
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LemonDrizzle posted:That queue system is completely insane. Congratulations on somehow creating a housing market that makes Britain's seem well-regulated and carefully designed, Sweden! It's not the queue system so much as a general (and pressing) lack of housing. It's also another good reason to vote for S or V. e: When it comes to affordable housing I trust Reinfeldt about as far as I can braid his hair. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Fox Cunning posted:Perhaps the party isn't nominally racist by definition, but I don't believe for a second that their members aren't based on what I've seen. Those colors don't run that easily. Also they seem generally incompetent except for perhaps Ol' Jamjam Åkesson. I'm sure their virulent racism is completely incidental. Almqvist could've happened to anybody, honest. 
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Hevo posted:I do not see the racist part in wanting to help these people in a more efficient manner. To shorten the queues to quicken the asylum process. To integrate those who have already arrived, and who are living under utterly poor conditions in ghettos and suburbs around the country. To actually help them where they need our help the most: in their own countries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkRRdth8AHc Clearly this is a party deeply concerned with the plight of immigrants and asylum seekers both. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJMz64s7URs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBskxTXhALc Oops, we're almost quite literally Breivik. Better not speak about this ever again.  (not actually "racist" though, so it's fine) Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Cardiac posted:You believe in space lizards as well? It is almost like you think that SD will start wearing uniforms and saying heil hitler if they become the majority? Softcore racism is bad enough.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Am I wrong, or did a literal Nazi party just gain representation in Sweden? Most likely due to low turnout? Turnout was high and no new parties entered parliament. The Moderate Party (liberal conservatives) lost a bunch of votes (ca 7 percentage points), and the Sweden Democrats (resident anti immigrant right wing populists  ) gained an equal amount. Otherwise things remain more or less the same, except the Social Democrats (probably) get to head the new government, what with the moderates taking such a hit.Also, I guess a Feminist party almost got in. And that's it, pretty much? Preliminary mandate allocation: 2014 (2010) The Left Party - 21 (19) Social Democrats - 113 (112) Green Party - 24 (25) Centre Party - 22 (23) Liberal People's Party - 19 (24) Christian Democrats - 17 (19) The Moderates - 84 (107) Sweden Democrats - 49 (20) Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Cardiac posted:Fourth: Thanks for the avatar, I have really earned it. If you only knew.
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Cardiac posted:Well judging from the last couple of pages people seems rather surprised and horrified by the number of votes for SD. Only surprising thing is MP doing so bad. I had SD pegged for 12 percent. Not surprised but horrified nonetheless.
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TheFluff posted:On a personal/household level, I don't think that's true. I really dislike the nationalist ideal that says that everyone who lives in a certain place has to absorb certain cultural values and have a certain mindset in order to fit in. Why can't we just not be assholes and let everyone follow their own traditions? A true multicultural society certainly needs to do so to work. Some traditions are terrible.
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Kwik posted:Someone's gonna have to swallow their pride and step up, if everyone is serious about freezing out SD. Right now, if you assume that the Greens will line up with S, you've got 137 seats. V and C have already said they're not gonna side with Löfven, and if you assume that there's not gonna be some sort of grand coalition with the Moderates, all you have left is SD, KD, and FP. KD and FP, even if they were willing to line up, still don't get Löfven to 175 seats, and a majority. They do get him to 173 though, and if it came to that, someone would probably step up and support Löfven, at least initially, to avoid SD becoming the kingmakers. It does make for interesting times, though. S + MP + C + FP looks like the natural solution, but good luck getting Lööf and Björklund to act sensible ever.
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lilljonas posted:1958 was the last time, so it's not a thing we tend to do, no. Especially not what with mandate allocation turning out as it did. If I was Löfven I'd shoot for a S + MP + C + FP coalition first as well. It's not like V is going anywhere. Also, putting an end to retarded "blockpolitik" ought to be a goal unto itself.
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Rutkowski posted:That still only gives them 49,5% Last time I checked (preliminary figures) it would net them 178 seats, which is a majority. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Star posted:This is the only decent analysis that's come so far. The answer to SD isn't moral preachings or to "ta diskussion" but economical and political measures to reduce income and wealth disparity, along with a strengthening and modernization of the welfare system. Well that and/or some sort of immigration reduction.
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Rutkowski posted:I had hoped they'd be part of the government so the other parties would have to do some concessions regarding the privatization since none of them really want to reverse anything. Could have happened had V and MP pulled better numbers. I'd diss FI and the assholes who threw their votes away, but looking at the numbers it wouldn't have made much of a difference. What with MP performing so badly, S would have had to reach across the aisle to get anything done anyhow. The only reason for S to include V in government is if it lets them carry an absolute majority (and even then it would (probably?) seldom be enough on its own). Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Forgall posted:I'd rather you didn't experiment with giving neonazis noticeable representation in government, but that's up to you. He's not Swedish, I don't think. e: Jesus loving christ, what's up with all of these idiots crawling out of the woodwork all of a sudden? Racial anthropology? Are you kidding me? Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Atal Vataman posted:also, the amount of refugees sweden accepts is indeed very large, and the immigration system is as a result put under a lot of stress. however, these people still have to go somewhere. if the other nordic countries actually helped out, refugees would be more evenly spread out between nations. sweden is paying the price due to the rest of europe lacking the common decency of actually helping people in need. Yeah, but that's not going to happen any time soon. In the meantime, one has to consider whether or not “doing the right thing” is worth it, given an evergrowing SD. I am not so sure, anymore. I'd hate for myself to end up in a spot where I'm arguing for reduced immigration, not so much because I'm worried about immigrants or any of that poo poo, but because of SD. 
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Atal Vataman posted:You are obviously trolling. stoddard was a literally racist and proponent for eugenics. I see you haven't met Ligur before. 
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zokie posted:Has it ever occured to anyone that Sweden is only running a very slight budget deficit in a time of crisis and that what "Sweden can afford" is a whole lot more than it is spending right now? Just sort the poll numbers by V and you see that were people are aware of the class-struggle they don't vote for SD compared to the rest of the nation. The reason for the degradation of welfare and the public sector is intended, not because we're being flooded by brown people. On the other hand, you have traditionally solid S industrial municipalities, with a history of heavy immigration and general solidarity (up until today), were people are very much aware, like Eskilstuna, going hard for SD. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=1637&artikel=5958605 <(In Swedish - I'm thinking of the old lady and the industrial worker especially - breaks my heart )They know it's the bourgeoisie done hosed them up, but telling them that “they can afford to pay more” isn't going to win them back. E: unless you can somehow convince Stockholm to commit to massive wealth transfers between it and the periphery. Which you won't. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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TheFluff posted:The entire argument about ~incompatible cultures~ is loving bullshit too. I don't even know why people (non-swedes(?), incidentally) brought it up. Not even SD really push this angle with much vigor anymore (they still believe it, mind). Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Ilustforponydeath posted:E: Also also, the point of the article isn't to indicate that swedish research is wrong, swedish research is simply absent due to to the inherent hilarity of a statistics buerau that doesn't feel obligated to produce statistics, out of fear that someone somewhere might misinterpret the results. Neither research nor statistics are absent. She's just an idiot. http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/en-norgehistoria-om-svensk-forskning_3949182.svd E: link is no longer current, I'll try to fix it once I get home. "En Norgehistoria om svensk forskning" by Martin Hällsten was what I was trying to link. E2: should work now. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Ilustforponydeath posted:"Let me pull out this opinion piece arguing that the lack of published statistics is not, in fact, an attempt to hide what every person with a minor in macroeconomics knows by heart." That's not the article I originally linked. Typing on a phone atm and can't find any permanent url (SvD got some real bullshit setup apparently), but "En Norgehistoria om svensk forskning" by Martin Hällsten is the one you want.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Besides that, SD are completely incompareable to Danske Folkeparti, Fremskritsspartiet and Sannfinländarna. Must've fooled me then, because they seem very much comparable. DF and SD especially, history aside.
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Cerebral Bore posted:V has been busy digging their own grave for decades now. Don't see why'd they stop here. How so? 5,7 percent is more or less in line with what they usually get (above average even), and unlike MP they gained support - even with FI siphoning votes. A Schyman-like V at 10% or above is highly anomalous, and not something you'd want to judge Vänsterpartiets fortunes on.
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Cardiac posted:If you follow Flashback Why the poo poo would anybody (outside of criminals and criminal investigators) follow loving flashback? E: Don't surprise me much you do, though, seeing as your posting is straight up flashback retarded. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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Apparently Åkesson is going on indefinite sick leave.
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Hot dang, it's like the 80's all over again! 
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Ligur posted:You guys seriously think your media is "right-wing"? Ligur asks, mouth agape and hands trembling with rage, as beads of spittle dribble down his many chins onto a copy of Der Stürmer. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Ligur posted:Isn't that kinda hard to even try when everyone refuses to sit in the same table with you or take you in the government because they are so open and tolerant? Having little to no actual power does not preclude them from coming up with sensible policies and/or solutions to actual problems, no.
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Ligur posted:Powerless parties and voters who come up with decent solutions are listened to in your opinion? My opinion on the matter is hardly relevant. Besides, your question, in regards to SD, is purely hypothetical, since SD – as they have proven time and again – have neither the will nor expertise to offer anything of the sort.
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Ligur is Finnish, obviously. Our feminist-fascist-musselman-homojunta would never suffer a Ligur to live.
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Groundbreaking new footage of Ligur posting in the D&D Scandi-thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_jjCW6Tfk&t=38s
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The weirdest thing about Swedish politics is how randian crazies infiltrated the formerly centrist loving farmer's party, of all parties. You'd expect them in M or FP but nope! I mean, it kind of makes sense once you sift through and examine their modern history, but on the face of it it's just so goddamn stupid I don't even know how to put it. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Ligur posted:You do understand that 2014's far-right groups or sympathizers can and do make the argument they are only reacting to violent, dangerous fringe left-wingers and their ideology which threatens to destroy their way of life/society/nation? Meanwhile, in reality, Anders Behring Breivik murders 70 kids. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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Ligur posted:That said, comparing Breivik to any of the antifa/fash -thungs is a pretty long stretch don't you think? I can't imagine how you can pull a Breivik -card out of the post you quoted. I don't think so, no. Point being: one side is loving deluded (and Breivik epitomizes right-wing extremism and political violence both). Who gives a poo poo that their rationales for violence (reacting to dangerous elements, self-defense, whatever) are similar when only one side, and not the other, has some actual, non-trivial degree of truth and/or substance behind their arguments? Besides, it is entirely possible to hold the opinion that one side is worse without condoning political violence or violence in general. E: phrasing. I should perhaps also clarify that I myself do not support AFA, RF, or anything of the sort. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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kalstrams posted:Are F more left or right? FI? Left.
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