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Lawman 0 posted:Please tell me about Swedish 'libertarians' I'm actually curious to how well they compare to US libertarians. In Sweden, a libertarian is someone who picks up a pound note from the sidewalk and doesn't immediately donate it to the nearest womens shelter.
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I had great fun answering these questions from a standpoint of somewhat certain economic sustainability, ignoring stupid issues like wolves. Apparently, this makes me a nazi.
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Sistergodiva posted:When insidergruppen releases the account info they have of thousands of flashback accounts and burns SDs newly elected municipaly politicians for life I'm gonna laugh so hard. The NSA should also call themselves journalists at this point.
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Sep 14, 2014 22:12
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Kainser posted:Here in Sweden so is SD often compared to Fremskrittspartiet for the record. While the municipal version of the progress party are two grapes short of a fruit salad, their primary focus of the party has always been to reduce exorbitant welfare costs to reduce general tax rate. Cutting down on immigration just seems to be a convenient way to do this. Anyway, keep up the current level of social welfare and see if any of us can retire before we're ninety.
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Sep 14, 2014 22:58
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Sistergodiva posted:Yes. Please report back on how this works out for you. You literally have no idea what the current welfare system costs, do you, or that the amount will balloon up to a sexy depression that will make people envy the spaniards when the consequences of an aging population hits? If you're going for the long-term perspective, there's no way getting around realpolitik. Tax breaks to the rich don't work, but neither does clinging on to an antiquated welfare system designed to provide for far fewer people with more money. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Sep 14, 2014 23:24
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Feynstein posted:I recommend watching this documentary about why you're wrong. That was some serious best case scenario being spouted. "Assuming we don't pull a Finland and state income increases proportionally each year, we'll probably make due in 2050 if we raise taxes a bit and cut down some. Also, we probably won't need money anyway because it's going to be the FUTURE" I'd think twice before putting my money on this particular set of ideas.
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Sep 14, 2014 23:54
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TLM3101 posted:All of which is true, though I'd argue that the Kiruna mines, at least, has been just as much a boon to us as it has been for Sweden thanks to shipping ore through Narvik. Narvik wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for this. I'd be okay with that, the place is a blight even by northern standards.
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Sep 16, 2014 15:11
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Ligur posted:But in Sweden: ALL OF THAT IS NORMAL! WE HELP THE WORLD BE A BETTER PLACE! AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE A RACIST!!!1# Tbf, the swedish immigrant situation is used as textbook scenario regarding failed integration combined with thoughtless spending throughout scandinavia.
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Sep 17, 2014 22:34
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TheFluff posted:No, I will ignore it because like a lot of rightwing nutjobs (you yourself included) the author has no particularly convincing evidence for their viewpoints, just a bunch of scaremongering about bad research and basing an entire article on the assumption that surely research results contrary to your own opinion must be wrong and that Danish and Norwegian results must be equally applicable in Sweden despite the fact that the entire point of the article is proving that the Swedish policy is worse. Of course the Swedish research results may indeed be wrong, but it'd take a lot more than an op-ed by some Norwegian pundit to convince me of that. Democracy rests on the assumption of an informed public. If information is witheld, the peoples representatives will build politics based on ideology, not fact. Also, it's funny how people try to spin less information as a good thing. E: Also also, the point of the article isn't to indicate that swedish research is wrong, swedish research is simply absent due to to the inherent hilarity of a statistics buerau that doesn't feel obligated to produce statistics, out of fear that someone somewhere might misinterpret the results. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 22:50
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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:Neither research nor statistics are absent. She's just an idiot. "Let me pull out this opinion piece arguing that the lack of published statistics is not, in fact, an attempt to hide what every person with a minor in macroeconomics knows by heart." "Problemet är vad en sådan siffra säger. Ekberg, liksom andra seriösa forskare, baserar sina beräkningar på det vi kan veta med någorlunda säkerhet om intäkter och utgifter. Samtidigt är både han och andra fullt medvetna om att det sannolikt finns andra effekter – på handel, företagande, innovation med mera. Effekten av till exempel ökad innovation går inte att koppla till enstaka individer och därför har vi inte, och kommer aldrig ha, någon kunskap om storleken på dessa effekter." Holy poo poo. How do you get paid to write this? It's like saying "how can you REALLY put a price on a child's laugh" a delightful guy posted:But the data does exist. Did you do your research, or are you using an argument built upon baseless assumption, not fact? If it exists but isn't made public, it might as well not exist. It's mildly problematic when the state information collection buerau has a political agenda of its own regarding what information should be made freely available. Cute lil' stab though, I'm beginning to see a pattern when talking to you people. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 15:25
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V. Illych L. posted:wait what i'm studying abroad what's this I've got no words left if you genuinely think that the fortune tax write-off was FRP's idea. Alhazred posted:So apparently the right to a free education only applies if you're studying in Norway, students abroad are pretty much hosed. It means that your taxes doesn't fund the tuition for every prospective student wanting to study in Norway.
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Oct 12, 2014 21:38
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Atal Vataman posted:To post something on topic: Two words; welfare reform. Interesting though, because the changes in the welfare system were initiated well before this government's time.
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Nov 12, 2014 11:11
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Rnr posted:"See, events in the real world proved you wrong, as predicted. Maybe re-evaluate and re-examine the arguments for and against a very lax immigration law in Sweden?" I think you vastly overestimate the median age of scandinavian SA posters. E: I still bring up that SVT documentary about how government spending will somehow flatline in thirty years for laughs. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Dec 6, 2014 02:12
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Xoidanor posted:You're drat right it shouldn't be our problem, the romanian electorate are racist shitholes and should never have been let into the EU without first dealing with their issues. The EU has turned into a parachute for the export industry. Social issues has nothing to do with it, germany wants to make money.
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Atal Vataman posted:Also, I think it might have to do something about how we see our welfare system. Begging is a visual symptom indicating that our welfare state is failing in some respect (really badly). At least our homegrown junkies shows us that our system is failing and allows us to point the blame at our social services. in this way the problem becomes something we can do something about and somewhat more tolerable. I wouldn't say that our homegrown junkies are a sign of failure of the welfare state. Any system will have edge-cases regardless, and to end up in the street in the norwegian system as a citizen takes a pretty dedicated effort towards loving yourself over.
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Feb 3, 2015 16:59
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Fanzay posted:If by turned into you mean has always been, then yes. Otherwise lol Well to begin with, it was a handful of western countries wanting to get at eachothers goodies for cheaper, as in reciprocity and actual "you must be this solvent to ride this ride" regulations.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:45
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Quick tip. It's usually faster and cheaper to clean up your own tiny country than trying to solve world poverty.
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Back To 99 posted:First we ban begging, then we dismantle the social safety net, then we arrest all the poors. Noone is banning begging. Organized begging is another matter entirely. This reminds me of the headlines in 2013 when left wing media announced that fascists once again rule the country.
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Feb 5, 2015 10:01
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Read the proposal. Similar action was proposed by AP as early as 2012.Joda posted:E: also, how do you make the distinction between organised and non-organised beggars? Not hard at all, when you think about it. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 10:09
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Panniculus Rift posted:Yeah, it's not hard because according to this law, begging is "organized" as long as two people are cooperating. This makes it organized crime, which we all know is a danger to society. A very good example of organized crime is the mafia, and everyone knows they are really bad guys. No wonder they gain support when people openly support human trafficking through organized begging. Sad, really. And funny. Mostly funny. Especially when the same policy is considered perfectly fine coming from left-wing parties.
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Feb 5, 2015 10:34
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Panniculus Rift posted:Please post proof that the majority of beggars in norway are victims of human trafficking and also that they are part of organized begging networks. This is something taht politicians and some police like to claim, but as far as I know, actual research says it's not the case. Please post proof that the waves upon waves of iphone wielding romani beggars operate independently. Bonus points for the long-winded false equivalency. It's like people forget how to make an argument as soon as they leave their primary-language comfort zone. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Wow, a demand to prove a negative, accusation of logical fallacy and scaremongering about them swarthy hordes invading our pure north at the same time. It's a veritable hat-trick, it is. Shutting down organized begging is a complicated theorem that has never been proven to work, is it?
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Nice piece of fish posted:Sure, and I find that reasonable. But I assure you, profit or no the execs and shareholders are profiting even if the company isn't. Because in a world with SAS only, peace will reign supreme and prices will bottom out at a meagre $1000 for a round trip to almost anywhere in norway. Norwegians sure have short memories.
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V. Illych L. posted:widerøe fo' lyfe $2000 for a round trip then.
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V. Illych L. posted:haha, yeah. i flew to Kirkenes once, it cost as much as a trip to New York would have The whole industry was doing just fine until the pilot unions started talking about how unfair it was for NAS not to hire norwegian pilots directly instead of through a branch company, so that NAS couldn't possibly get rid of them even if they were deep enough in the red to warrant bankruptcy. It's not like the unions are banging on the doors of Elkem and demanding chinese tarriffs through their holding company.
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Xoidanor posted:Temp agencies and temporary employment contract, that is how we continue to improve upon the welfare state folks! Trained pilots are a coveted resource in short supply who have the ability to "opt out" of the entire profession through loss of licence, which pays a hefty sum plus whatever benefits they'll get through the welfare system. They have better work security than just about any profession. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 20:57
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V. Illych L. posted:i don't see what this has to do with the price of airline tickets tbh Wages have gone down, ticket prices have gone down, and I fail to see that the amount of first-class local flights, not that there is such a thing, could bring local operations from red into the black. I think norwegian makes enough money to get by with the current ticket prices, and the second money couldn't be made on local flights, NaN would shut down and ship out.
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Or, you know, leave the lovely climate behind altogether and pay greece a trillion euro for everything but the main island.
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The one with Athens on it.
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To be fair, overregulation is what's driving norwegian housing costs up in the cities. They want metropolises, but refuse to build anything taller than three stories. If they finally manage to build a tallish building, it makes the goddamned news. The directorate for cultural heritage consists exclusively of loons with liberal arts degrees.
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If it's any consolation, they buy their degrees as well.
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Dumb, well meaning parents then. Though, I stand by my point. A few sufficiently large low-cost apartment complexes in major cities with a resale clause would solve many, many problems. The "buying to invest" problem could be atleast partially remedied by aggressive taxation.
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V. Illych L. posted:socialise all housing
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Protip: Don't have kids. I'm in my thirties and live with my fiancé in our smallish two-bedroom apartment that's just the right size for two people. We're almost debt-free, I'll be buying a new mercedes come winter and we go on long annual vacations just about anywhere in the world. We don't make much money individually, but since there isn't some little booger with feet demanding we spend money on a big house, it's easy to get by.
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Cardiac posted:Or you buy a house just in order to barbecue without having to give a poo poo about your neighbours. That is what I did. The kid was a bonus to that. I fail to see how this relates to my post.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Pretty much. It's time for a hardcore reality check, because when it comes down to it, Norway does not put its money where its mouth is. And while Anundsen and H/FRP carry the blame for this, this is most certainly something KRF and V could have stopped. It was in their power, but in the end they would rather have a guaranteed - albeit insignificant - crumb of influence than actually take a stand. I don't see what the big deal is, to be honest, they were going to be sent off regardless, and their parents provided false visas and lied in their interviews, which means an automatic deportation to begin with. Anundsen acted rashly, but bringing them back to possibly be deported AGAIN would be pants-on-head retarded. You sent away TENS of illegal aliens that should have been sent out years ago" is hardly the best talking point in lieu of the Tschudi scandal or the Telenor scandal. "Whaddya mean I can't give out government contracts to my friends, OR appoint my literal crony to the board of directors in a multinational company. They're norwegian, aren't they?" Half of labour would have been indicted last period if we had corruption legislation worth a drat in this country. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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Xoidanor posted:I would argue that the idea of a surprise Russian invasion in the case of Norway is about 10 times more ridiculous then it was when we were having the exact same argument but just with Sweden earlier. I mean gently caress, if an invasion of that scale is even launched then it first has pass by the baltics, Finland and Sweden before it can even remotely threaten Norway. If NATO hasn't mobilised in that time-span then NATO is poo poo. If anyone is going to surprise invade Norway it's going to have to be Finland, Sweden, Denmark, the US, Canada, France or the UK which are all surprise surprise, your allies. What's it like to know absolutely gently caress-all about geography? Russians could amass an invasion force as close as Nikel or Murmansk, and we wouldn't know what hit us until houses were burning. Xoidanor posted:If anyone is going to surprise invade Norway it's going to have to be Finland, Sweden, Denmark, the US, Canada, France or the UK which are all surprise surprise, your allies. Say what? ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 25, 2015 |
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