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https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Loavesofbread&ilshowall=1 CLICK TO GO TO COMPLETE WIKIMEDIA PHOTO ALBUM https://www.youtube.com/user/gyroj3t/videos CLICK TO GO TO YOUTUBE VIDEOS CHAT WITH OTHER GOONS ABOUT ANARCHISM #FergusonLIVE @SynIRC Woof Blitzer fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Woof Blitzer fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Aug 12, 2014 21:48
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Thank you for the thread 
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Aug 12, 2014 22:00
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I'm headed there this weekend to film, photograph and interview. If folks are around or would give recommendations, feel free to PM me.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:01
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bassguitarhero posted:I'm headed there this weekend to film, photograph and interview. If folks are around or would give recommendations, feel free to PM me. The memorial is at 9406 Canfield Ct, Ferguson MO 63136
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Aug 12, 2014 22:03
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The police version of events is, roughly: 1. Brown was accosted for walking in the street, possibly on suspicion of something. 2. Brown or the friend he was with assaulted a police officer, pushing them into the car. 3. Inside the car, Brown grabbed for the officer's gun, and the first shot was fired, which hit no one. 4. Brown fled, and was shot while unarmed, thirty-five feet away from the car. Even treating this version of events as strictly true, it'd be hard to see how this could possibly be a justifiable homicide.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:04
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Supposedly a witness to the murder has gone missing. https://twitter.com/Lussenpop/status/499286249803247616
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Aug 12, 2014 22:04
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Koalas March posted:Supposedly a witness to the murder has gone missing. If I were him i'd loving hide too
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Aug 12, 2014 22:06
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Another tragic example of why anyone permitted to use lethal force should be wearing recording devices. Looting is a shameful behavior but opportunists wouldn't even have get an opening if oversight could improve people's trust in the police.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:12
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Koalas March posted:Supposedly a witness to the murder has gone missing. According to the NAACP, Johnson has made himself available for questioning but the police haven't responded.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:13
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zen death robot posted:It's official, news helicopters have been told not to fly over Ferguson: a no fly zone for this seems pretty extreme. What's the motivation here, that some pissed off civilian will shoot at a news chopper? Or is this just pre-emptive so that the next time there is "looting" they can go heavy handed?
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Sword of Chomsky posted:a no fly zone for this seems pretty extreme. What's the motivation here, that some pissed off civilian will shoot at a news chopper? Or is this just pre-emptive so that the next time there is "looting" they can go heavy handed? There is a large airport right next door. Of all the actions taken by the PD, this is the least dumb and the least thuggish. In these days of 4G connections and vines, you're not going to avoid videos being taken by enforcing a no-fly zone. Also: One weird trick that would have, I think, prevented any rioting: Arrest the officer who shot Brown and release his name. Obdicut fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Aug 12, 2014 22:19
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If I had a helicopter I'd be flying at 3,001ft MSL peering down on the situation.
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Obdicut posted:Arrest the officer who shot Brown and release his name. If they were going to do this, they would have done so by now. For whatever reason, the PD is going to fight for him. I think this could be a situation the police have wanted for a while. Pre-emptively closing off airspace would be a nice idea if you plan on bringing down a massive hammer on a huge number of protestors at once.
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zen death robot posted:The airport traffic is not effected by the no-fly zone, and it's not like these helicopter pilots haven't been flying around this area for years covering traffic along I-70/270/170 which happens to be right by that same airport. Yes, but thanks to this shooting it's quite likely that chopper pilots without local experience might be arriving and flying around. That the airport isn't affected is my point: This is consistent with not wanting news helicopters to get in the way of the airport traffic. The police failing to question witnesses even days after the shooting is a much weirder and bigger problem than no helicopters. Like I said, you're not going to escape surveillance through lack of news helicopters. bassguitarhero posted:If they were going to do this, they would have done so by now. For whatever reason, the PD is going to fight for him. I think this could be a situation the police have wanted for a while. I agree that it wouldn't be much use now, it's what they should have immediately done. quote:Pre-emptively closing off airspace would be a nice idea if you plan on bringing down a massive hammer on a huge number of protestors at once. See, I don't think it would be, because you're not also going to prevent everyone with a 4G connection from uploading vines of the hammer coming down. I could completely believe that the PD isn't sad at the idea of news choppers being banned from the air, but it also seems like a reasonable response when you've got a big airport next door. Obdicut fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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I asked my dad what he thought about it and he launched into a rant about why was he going for the cop's gun if he didn't do anything, how those people need to learn to do what police tell them like everyone else if they don't want to get shot, how black people need to stop using every dead black kid as an excuse to riot and destroy their neighborhoods, and followed it up with something about how these guys we had around here (who planted drugs on people they stopped and couldn't find anything on) were very bad but at least they kept the streets clean!
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Aug 12, 2014 22:31
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Is the officer accused of killing him black or white?
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Aug 12, 2014 22:33
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:Is the officer accused of killing him black or white? As far as I'm aware, white. Also the police force is 95% white policing a 66% black town.
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Obdicut posted:Yes, but thanks to this shooting it's quite likely that chopper pilots without local experience might be arriving and flying around. That the airport isn't affected is my point: This is consistent with not wanting news helicopters to get in the way of the airport traffic. It isn't about attacking citizen journalism but about getting mainstream media journalists out. While we live in an age where anyone could vine and get their footage out, someone's vine video languishing on an account with 50 followers isn't going to get the same presence as Channel 7's news copter.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:40
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bassguitarhero posted:It isn't about attacking citizen journalism but about getting mainstream media journalists out. While we live in an age where anyone could vine and get their footage out, someone's vine video languishing on an account with 50 followers isn't going to get the same presence as Channel 7's news copter. Channel 7's news copter can fly at 4,000 feet and still get footage with a good camera, though. And nobody's vine video that shows anything from Ferguson involving cops is going to languish. Channel 7 will happily buy (or steal) it. Of all the things going on--aiming weapons at clearly unarmed, non-violent protesters, tear-gassing residents in their backyards, failing to interview witnesses, not releasing the name of the officer, calling black people 'animals'--the (limited) FAA closure is really small potatoes.
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Obdicut posted:Channel 7's news copter can fly at 4,000 feet and still get footage with a good camera, though. And nobody's vine video that shows anything from Ferguson involving cops is going to languish. Channel 7 will happily buy (or steal) it. It calls attention to the level of police state, that's why people are focusing on it. Funnily enough, police killing killing people for [living] while black isn't anything new, but I don't remember seeing a no-fly zone before, though that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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This story is making me sick to my stomach. I can't believe what I'm seeing and reading.
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Bunleigh posted:This story is making me sick to my stomach. I can't believe what I'm seeing and reading.
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So I guess Anonymous hasn't dropped his name yet?Bunleigh posted:This story is making me sick to my stomach. I can't believe what I'm seeing and reading. Don't turn on AM radio then.
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Zeitgueist posted:It calls attention to the level of police state, that's why people are focusing on it. I'd say it distracts attention away from the actual police state poo poo that's going on. To add to that, there's allegations that the wooden rounds used in riot control, which are supposed to get reflected off the ground before they hit you, were being used directly on protesters. quote:Funnily enough, police killing killing people for [living] while black isn't anything new, but I don't remember seeing a no-fly zone before, though that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yeah, they're used extensively for fire-fighting stuff but I also haven't seen a law enforcement one before.
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Obdicut posted:Yeah, they're used extensively for fire-fighting stuff but I also haven't seen a law enforcement one before. Wasn't there a no-fly zone in place during the Boston Bombings?
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Obdicut posted:I'd say it distracts attention away from the actual police state poo poo that's going on. Oh there's all sorts of awful poo poo happening in this case, I don't think talking about no-fly's takes away from the fact that they rolled in a tank to address a non-violent protest, or used wooden slugs. There's room for all the awfulness. 
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Aug 12, 2014 22:55
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Luigi Thirty posted:I asked my dad what he thought about it and he launched into a rant about why was he going for the cop's gun if he didn't do anything, how those people need to learn to do what police tell them like everyone else if they don't want to get shot, how black people need to stop using every dead black kid as an excuse to riot and destroy their neighborhoods, and followed it up with something about how these guys we had around here (who planted drugs on people they stopped and couldn't find anything on) were very bad but at least they kept the streets clean! Sounds like the kind of guy who needs an audit, since he apparently doesn't mind government's dick in his butt. If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide, right?
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Obdicut posted:Yeah, they're used extensively for fire-fighting stuff but I also haven't seen a law enforcement one before.
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Talk radio 3 hours southwest of STL referred to rioters as "animals" and explained they were stealing nikes, not work boots and "idiot animals" that stole lottery tickets didn't know they can't be redeemed.
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Aug 12, 2014 23:02
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Zeitgueist posted:Oh there's all sorts of awful poo poo happening in this case, I don't think talking about no-fly's takes away from the fact that they rolled in a tank to address a non-violent protest, or used wooden slugs. Wait, there was a tank there? Not like a MRAP but an actual M1A1?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Really? Because this poo poo happens all the goddamn time. Maybe one in a hundred incidents get blown up into a national media event due to a combination of truly incompetent policing, photogenic rioting, and a slow news day. 'Cop Shoots Black Teen' should just be a permanent headline. They could save a lot of reporter time by just writing a form story and changing the names and location once a day.
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Aug 12, 2014 23:07
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mastershakeman posted:Wait, there was a tank there? Not like a MRAP but an actual M1A1?
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mastershakeman posted:Wait, there was a tank there? Not like a MRAP but an actual M1A1? Uh, don't you mean a General Dynamics Land Systems M1A2 Main Battle Tank with a Tank Urban Survival Kit and soldiers wearing Manpads? 
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mastershakeman posted:Wait, there was a tank there? Not like a MRAP but an actual M1A1? No, they have a Bearcat and a Maxxpro. Armored vans.
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McDowell posted:Another tragic example of why anyone permitted to use lethal force should be wearing recording devices. Looting is a shameful behavior but opportunists wouldn't even have get an opening if oversight could improve people's trust in the police. This really cannot be said enough. Any public employee that carries a weapon of any kind (gun, taser, even just pepper spray) should have a camera at all times while they have the weapon on them. It's such a no-brainer thing.
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Ernie Muppari posted:Uh, don't you mean a General Dynamics Land Systems M1A2 Main Battle Tank with a Tank Urban Survival Kit and soldiers wearing Manpads? It's important not to use hyperbole here, because the only reason to send an actual tank in is to look good for the cameras or because you're explicitly planning to kill people. And a MANPADS is a weapon not a piece of clothing Who What Now posted:This really cannot be said enough. Any public employee that carries a weapon of any kind (gun, taser, even just pepper spray) should have a camera at all times while they have the weapon on them. It's such a no-brainer thing. There have even been studies that find putting cameras on cops is good for the police because they don't have to deal with people falsely claiming to have been subject to police brutality. The only reason not to put cameras on cops is because you want to keep doing genuine police brutality.
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mastershakeman posted:Wait, there was a tank there? Not like a MRAP but an actual M1A1? Never change goons, never change.
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Who What Now posted:This really cannot be said enough. Any public employee that carries a weapon of any kind (gun, taser, even just pepper spray) should have a camera at all times while they have the weapon on them. It's such a no-brainer thing. go read the last couple pages of the GiP ask cops thread if you want to see the sort of arguments police make against such measures.
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:And a MANPADS is a weapon not a piece of clothing It's easy to confuse the two, but MANPADS is an acronym for MAN Portable Air-Defense System, whereas Manpads is a brand of masculine hygiene product.
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