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bobkatt013 posted:So it will time magazines person of the year from a couple of years ago? 
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It's interesting seeing all the ways Morrison updates the political and cultural references from Watchmen. Instead of nukes and Nixon it's Bush and, later, the machine Captain Atom's floating in (besides being another grid of comic panels from a certain angle) looks suspiciously like the Large Hadron Collider. Once the Cold War was over and The Peacemaker's mission is accomplished - ie eliminating terrorism - the destruction of America comes from the inside. It comes from killing the dog. Getting too curious for our own good. Remember when people though that CERN were going to create a black hole and undo all of reality for a hot minute there? A black hole like the one Sarge Steel crawls out of once Atom's gone? Like how comics are their own worst enemy, destroying themselves. Or, er, comics will eat itself. Boy it is difficult to have coherent thoughts about this comic book. Is talking about The Gentry in real terms actually any use, considering they're almost entirely symbolic of, like, editors/readers/the changing comics culture? I don't think they'll turn up again properly. Maybe at the very end. (I guess everything in The Multiversity is symbolic of something, though. I'll hush up now)
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Nov 28, 2014 11:42
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Red skies and Darkseid. Between that and the event recap page in the Guidebook, it's probably about time to read Final Crisis, huh? Plus that psychopathic Dr Silva salivating over doing something bad to Mary Marvel...
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Jan 28, 2015 22:54
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Jose Oquendo posted:Multiversity is a direct sequel to Final Crisis. I have no idea why you wouldn't read that beforehand. The stuff about the birth of the Multiverse is pulled right from it. Oh, I meant re-read, but I think The Multiversity is still (relatively) accessible when you're not familiar with Final Crisis! I like that the connections are becoming more and more apparent, though. Going through the previous issues with the Guidebook is fun. That first big panel of the assembled heroes in The Multiversity #1 has those that introduced themselves along with Metal Hawkman of Earth-44 (whose Doctor Will Tornado looks familiar...), there's the first appearance of the Steel and Wonder Woman from Lil' Gotham's Earth 42 that then appear in the Guidebook, what I assume is Earth 13's Swamp-Man, a couple from Earth 48 off to the side (who were "designed...to fight in the eternal war against Lord Darkseid), and Bloodwynd from The Just's Earth 16. Does that mean the events of The Just take place before The Multiversity #1, and that Bloodwynd's been dropped in to sort things...? Realised that the robot Calvin Superman destroys and then beckons to return to the multiverse in issue one has look-a-likes that appear throughout the other issues and all. Are they Silva bots? Elsewhere on BSS people have been talking about how the New Gods and Apokolips exist outside the multiverse (as heaven and hell do). Does that mean that the Darkseid that's coming is coming after the whole multiverse? Just one Darkseid teaming with the Gentry to take out all of reality?
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Jan 29, 2015 10:51
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Yeah besides more Sivana and Gentry there wasn't a whole lot going on in Mastermen. I did like how it showed the "corruption" of a Nazi-controlled Earth (ie Sivana helping the good guys). Also I just noticed in this issue that cases full of trophies are a recurring theme: Overman is sat looking at a bunch of things in class balls in this issue, there were all the cabinets being strolled past in the opening pages of Pax Americana and the old super suits on display in The Just. Which either means something about preserving things as they are, or it's just a superhero trope that the artists keep using to fill in background detail. Reference to the Ring cycle was cute, in context of Pax Americana and history repeating itself and stuff.
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Feb 18, 2015 16:23
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The opening with Ultra "returning" to the start and being kept in an endless loop ties back into Pax Americana, too. And on a wider level, it's about how superhero comics are safe as they keep doing the same thing over and over, right? It's interesting that there's a knowing wink at the idea of "let's go back to when comics were innocent and fun!" in this issue, since people assumed that was the point of Thunderworld and Morrison has since refuted that idea in interviews, saying there's a lot of darkness in that story. Seems like there's two warring theses in Multiversity: one about how the corruptive influence of The Gentry changes things for the worse, whilst also suggesting that change is natural and necessary else you end up with the same safe, but bland superhero books? Or something?
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Mar 25, 2015 18:14
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Evil Mastermind posted:You don't happen to have a link, do you? I'd like to read that. Oh absolutely, but by the same token, it's not offering anything up as an alternative? Like, the comic is just as snarky about the idea of keeping the youthful fantasies as they are. The Morrison quote is from his interview with Comics Alliance from the start of the year: quote:I hope the presence of The Gentry will be more clear. For instance, in the Captain Marvel comic we have dozens and dozens of Sivanas, so they can represent Demogorgunn, as they always appear as some kind of horde. Or Demogorgunn could be the zombies in issue #2 or the Superman robots in issue #3. Because they’re demons, they come in different forms in each world, so I do hope when it’s finished, yeah, you should be able to look back and find a lot of new stuff and hopefully, that’s way it’s been built.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:25
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TwoPair posted:It's funny you say that because Morrison admits as much in his Paste Magazine interview that was posted earlier in the thread I just read Dan Clowes' Ice Haven and couldn't really figure out my reaction to it, partially because there's a running "gag" about a comics critic who puts too much importance on analysing and deconstructing stuff that's not meant to be picked apart like that. Which is weird because The Multiversity is doing that constantly (DON'T PULL THE DOG APART TO SEE HOW IT WORKS OR IT WILL DIE) but I never feel like its stunting my reaction to it? What I'm getting is that the main thesis of The Multiversity isn't that any of the different "styles" of comic it features - from the fun punchy-punchy of Thunderworld to the dark Watchmen-riffing Pax Americana - are necessarily bad, but what is bad (ie The Gentry) is when you settle on one of those as the default, which stagnates the genre? So, the grim n gritty superhero kinda sucks because there's a paucity of imagination in just doing the same thing over and over again - equally, sticking Pax Americana or Ultra Comics in a loop makes either stunted and dull. Ultra has his "morals" set to include the Golden Age through to the Modern Era, and that's all treated as legit, because they're all happening at once and not settling for one violent status quo, which is what the villainous Ultraa is?
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Mar 26, 2015 10:40
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The "HUGE REVEAL" about who was controlling The Gentry was a little disappointing at first, but I think it might be comparable to the end of True Detective: it's not as radical as I was hoping, but the book never suggested it would do anything than end in a fairly obvious, simple way. Good always wins, even if the readers are the ultimate evil...sort of. Probably gonna have to re-read it twice with the Guidebook to get all the Earths square in my head now...
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