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like the core gameplay and level design is actually really good and fun but i dont think i can handle another game full of the most obtuse puzzles known to man. like, if you're masking your movie references/philosophy 101 poo poo behind 9 layers of obfuscation that involves: 1. having uselss poo poo everywhere written in english, only with the roman letters and numbers replaced with made-up symbols that follow a different convention, except for that one puzzle room where you have to spell out a word in a way that completely defies the established conventions for no real reason whatsoever. like, the riddle itself is actually clever and good but the way its implemented is like giving an exam where all the answers have to be written in upside down letters or you get zero credit, and by the way no one is told this 2. cross-referencing different wall paintings on opposite sides of the map, then putting them together in a completely arbitrary way that is not indicated whatsoever, then reading the put together image in another completely arbitrary way that is also not indicated whatsoever and again contradicts the game's established conventions of how you're supposed to read them 3. sticking the game full of loving QR codes where you might as well just replace the goddamn code with whatever it shows you when you scan it. this is slightly less tedious than having a bunch of ciphered text everywhere but still loving stupid and pointless 4. converting extremely obscure star blinks to binary, then hexadecimal, then ASCII to get the button input to get the item. wtf? it kind of outweighs all the good things in the game. this poo poo ain't clever, it's loving tedious and boring decoder ring bullshit. like, i used to think MGS games were good at throwing in stupid poo poo whose solution defies all logic so you have to look up how to do it, but this just takes it to a new level i never imagined possible. when you're supposed to solve puzzles by just trying random poo poo with no rhyme or reason until you brute force the answer, that isn't good game design, it's a loving transparently lazy attempt to artificially lengthen the game in summary, im really loving glad phil fish ragequit the game industry because i dont think i can handle another one of these
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Aug 17, 2014 19:18
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didn't read but fez is extremely overrated
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:like the core gameplay and level design is actually really good and fun The opposite is true.
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when i played fez it crashed a lot (during the Fake Crash at the start my game actually crashed and i had to restart) and it was just super boring. boring levels, boring visuals, puzzles that were either absurdly easy or just not fun, etc its a bad game apparently one of the puzzles was so bad that people had to brute force it
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Aug 17, 2014 19:23
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Phil fish is a good ideas guy/ crazy pr man but should never actually be allowed near the development of games
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Aug 17, 2014 19:26
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the puzzle to figure out the numbering system was good & cool and the number runes actually kind of make sense so they're cool in my book. this is unlike the cypher for the alphabet (literally just a room with a fox jumping over a dog in it next to a tablet that says "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" on it in the made up runes) and also making use of the alphabet is a total pain in the rear end unlike the number system because the numbers are easy to remember and do simple math with while the letters are just arbitrarily assigned
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Silver Striker posted:apparently one of the puzzles was so bad that people had to brute force it actually it wasnt so much that the puzzle was bad, it was just incomplete. it is still incomplete. it is literally impossible to solve without brute forcing it. the puzzle isn't bad, the game is
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Aug 17, 2014 19:27
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Hey guys, check out this cool game that's all about 2D platforming puzzles applied to a 3D perspective! Woops nevermind, I couldn't figure out how to make a good game out of it so instead I went with the easiest alternative: the game is about obtuse nonsense now. My bad!
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Aug 17, 2014 19:29
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The main man Phil Phish
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Aug 17, 2014 19:36
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Fez has worse jumping physics than Little Big Planet.
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Aug 17, 2014 19:36
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Also, it's boring.
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Aug 17, 2014 19:37
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didnt read but... im gay
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Aug 17, 2014 19:39
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fish did okay when you consider he's a scarf-wearing hipster retard
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i got fez for free somewhere and had been meaning to play it but i heard all this poo poo about obtuse puzzles so i didn't even bother
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Aug 17, 2014 19:41
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https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/500321050639364098quote:PHIL FISH @PHIL_FISH lmao
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Aug 17, 2014 19:42
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this game took 5 years to make, and i don't know if i should think that coming up with the puzzles took up most of this time because they are so overwrought, or if coming up with the puzzles was a rushed afterthought because they are so bad
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Aug 17, 2014 19:42
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all you need to know about fez (it's poo poo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Ifue2xGFY
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Aug 17, 2014 19:44
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The Best Gamers review of Fez is good e: Liquid Penguins 
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no one will remember fez, just phil fish even he knows this and tries his very best every day to find new ways to publicly poo poo his pants.
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Aug 17, 2014 19:46
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His Twitter avatar looks like the cover for an old album that you'd see hidden away in used record stores cause it turns out the singer had sex with a 12 year old
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Aug 17, 2014 19:50
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Lord of Bore posted:His Twitter avatar looks like the cover for an old album that you'd see hidden away in used record stores cause it turns out the singer had sex with a 12 year old that's probably exactly what the person in that photo would want you to think
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Aug 17, 2014 19:50
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Lord of Bore posted:His Twitter avatar looks like the cover for an old album that you'd see hidden away in used record stores cause it turns out the singer had sex with a 12 year old lol this can't be real, this can't be a real post
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Aug 17, 2014 19:51
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:lol this can't be real, this can't be a real post I choose to believe it is
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Aug 17, 2014 19:51
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He's correct.
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:lol this can't be real, this can't be a real post I tired too hard, I know 
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Aug 17, 2014 19:54
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Now explain it with a comparison to Myst or Riven
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Aug 17, 2014 19:55
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i didn't even mention the stupid bullshit artifacts. they don't do a goddamn thing, not even help you figure out the puzzles. once they're in your inventory, you can, uh, look at them, which you might even want to do if there were a point to it. i read someone arguing that the artifacts just give the world a more lived-in feel. fair enough, but couldn't they just have had the stupid number/letter cubes lying around in houses where you can look at them all the same, just without misleadingly putting them into your inventory as if they actually matter?
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Aug 17, 2014 19:56
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Lord of Bore posted:I tired too hard, I know you almost made it. you'll get em next time.
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i liked fez but i can see why someone else might not and yeah gently caress those heart piece puzzles
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kmxexii posted:i liked fez but i can see why someone else might not I wiped my rear end with Fez.
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Aug 17, 2014 20:07
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its a bad platformer and its a bad puzzle game its a bad puzzle platformer
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elf help book posted:its a bad platformer and its a bad puzzle game its a bad puzzle platformer you might say its a "bad game"
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Aug 17, 2014 20:13
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5 years to make a game in flash with nothing noteworthy or interesting in it gj phil fish, who doesn't even know how to code and went through multiple programmers who refuse to work with him again
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there was a lovely exorcism movie that came out like, a year or two before fez with the same gimmick of "yeah the main product sucks, but we got an ARG in the background" people rightly called it out as being a half-assed attempt to salvage a poo poo film, but apparently that doesn't apply to indie video games because ???
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Aug 17, 2014 20:15
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It's pretty at least. Good job Phil.
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Aug 17, 2014 20:22
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i'm phill fish, revolutionary game designer *makes platformer with zero consequences for failing to jump to the next platform* gaming is saved from lovely japanese games *sharts really loudly, records it and posts the flac on twitter*
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darealkooky posted:i'm phill fish, revolutionary game designer *makes platformer with zero consequences for failing to jump to the next platform* "What an art. 10/10" - IGN
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Aug 17, 2014 20:24
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Cyra posted:you might say its a "bad game" I might AND I will.
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Did anyone who liked fez not use a walkthrough? P sure only idiots got anything out of that mess.
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