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MassRafTer posted:Either way the cost of actually broadcasting the event is much more expensive than the venue fee. We don't really know the details of UFC's break even point, but for WWE it was about 70,000 buys (when they were PPV oriented.) UFC pays its talent a much higher portion of their revenue than WWE so their break even point can be much higher (when fighters with PPV points and a high downside fight.) According to Meltzer, UFC events break even at 250k buys. Take that for what it's worth.
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fatherdog posted:According to Meltzer, UFC events break even at 250k buys. Take that for what it's worth. I haven't looked at the numbers in a while but there have to be a lot of shows doing either less than this on a regular basis or close to it now, right?
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Triticum Guzzler posted:I haven't looked at the numbers in a while but there have to be a lot of shows doing either less than this on a regular basis or close to it now, right? Both Barao fights this year were around 223-230, and MM vs Baugatinov was 115k, but everything else has been comfortably above with the exception of 177, which they never released the numbers for and probably did absolutely awful since that was the one where Barao went 0-1 with a bathtub.
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Aren't they getting like $100 million a year from Fox now though?
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Dangersim posted:Aren't they getting like $100 million a year from Fox now though? That's presumably paying for all the free shows they're doing without ppv revenue.
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not including the last two ppvs that will certainly lower the average the ufc has averaged 299k buys per show. not great. who knows what is included in that 250k number though
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fatherdog posted:That's presumably paying for all the free shows they're doing without ppv revenue. You're getting on me for presuming things so be careful with that... I'd add that the UFC isn't getting chump change from sponsors anymore either. I'm sure back in the Mickey's days they weren't making a huge sum but in the Bud Light/Harley Davidson era they have to be raking in a good amount. Add to that merchandising which has to make them millions as well. (They grossed over half a million in merchandising at the UFC 110 event alone...one night) Plus UFC Fight Pass revenue... They have a lot of avenues for income these days.
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Are any of the PPV providers giving more favourable terms now that the wrestling PPVs are gone?
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Triticum Guzzler posted:Are any of the PPV providers giving more favourable terms now that the wrestling PPVs are gone? A greater share of PPV ad buys are now UFC. I mean, I remember hearing that GLORY got a nice PPV deal, but that may have been just a rumor.
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ChampRamp posted:A greater share of PPV ad buys are now UFC. I mean, I remember hearing that GLORY got a nice PPV deal, but that may have been just a rumor. glory would be lucky if the head of directv ruffled their hair and gave them their first dollar to frame and hang on the wall after doing 12k buys worldwide
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Scrapez posted:You're getting on me for presuming things so be careful with that... It's not a presumption to look at the fact that they're getting paid X amount per year, and the fact that they're doing more free shows, and note that one accounts for the other. quote:Add to that merchandising which has to make them millions as well. (They grossed over half a million in merchandising at the UFC 110 event alone...one night) Fighters get a cut of merchandising that isn't part of their disclosed pay.
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Don't forget the UFC Gyms and the soon to open UFC Anti-aging clinics.
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fatherdog posted:Fighters get a cut of merchandising that isn't part of their disclosed pay. That is true and good but another thing that disproportionately favors the top end of the fighter pay scale. No one is buying Cat Zingano merchandise because the UFC hardly manufactures or retails Cat Zingano merchandise. Meanwhile I can still log onto the UFC store and buy a Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture or Nate Marquardt fathead. I agree we don't know enough to draw accurate conclusions at the end of the day but when the argument is the pay floor needs to be raised, pointing to PPV buys and merch cuts don't necessarily counter that when those are things that only really affect the people who are already being paid well.
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Nifft posted:UFC Anti-aging clinics. Great brand synergy here with the line of Haute Couture dresses.
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Why are people defending capital over labor? fatherdog posted:Yes, it has, many times in interview by multiple fighters. Sean McCorkle made double his disclosed pay for every fight he had in the UFC, and he went 1-2. I don't believe think that is consistently true. Miller said the bonuses were nice, but not something he expects or can live off of http://mmajunkie.com/2014/04/ufc-172s-jim-miller-says-locker-room-bonuses-happen-here-and-there. If the UFC was consistently paying people bonuses equal to their purses, then they would not just advertise it. There's no reason to not have higher advertised fighter pay if it's consistently good. It would cut off controversy and attract more athletes to the sport potentially. If they were paying people bonuses equal to their purses, why would they be aggressively pursuing favorable contracts when they could just give a more favorable contract and lower the bonus payout? That is not to mention that a lot of costs of fighting are shifted to the fighter. Lauzon says a fighter earning 15k is breaking about even http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1wwj5z/16x_ufc_fighter_joe_lauzon_ama_i_will_start/cf65o9e . Forrest said that fighters should expect to maybe even go into debt for their first 2 fights in the UFC. Without access to the UFC's financials it is hard to say whether their margins are large enough to up fighter pay, but fighter pay for the average ufc jobber probably is not high enough for it to be career on the level being a marginal basetballer in a euroleague.
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Was someone really saying Caraiso's pay didn't seem like enough at 24k? Outside of his friends and family I don't think you could find 10 people that bought the PPV to see him fight. Literally.
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Elemennop posted:Why are people defending capital over labor? D and D is that way
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Elemennop posted:Why are people defending capital over labor? UFC's margins are probably razor thin once you take into account Lorenzo's HGH and Dana's gun-Bibles
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I guess I don't understand how PPVs work technology wise. They're essentially renting a satellite for 3 hours or so, right? Is there not a lower cost way to broadcast an event that would save everybody money (minus the PVV middlemen)? Seems like in the year 2014 there would be a replacement to the technology used to order Wrestlemania in the 80s.
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the last time i ordered a pay per view was in like 1992 you had to rent a special box from the cable company which cost like 40 bucks plus shipping and handling and then you had to pay for the actual pay per view on top of it and i have since then been completely shocked that its a way that people buy and sell entertainment
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Elemennop posted:Why are people defending capital over labor? I'm not defending capital over labor, I'm being irritable because this discussion happens once every two months like clockwork and it's always somebody who has no idea about even the very basic known things about fighter pay saying "Fighter pay is too low, why don't they pay them more?" and having the various reasons that pay levels are where they are patiently explained to them. After you get through
there really isn't much to talk about. Which doesn't prevent people from talking about it, at length.
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I watched MacDonald vs. Diaz for the first time last night. Rory's supplexes were super cool, but also by the end of the fight he had figured out that Nate was standing up like an idiot and taking clean shots every time so was essentially baiting him to do it by the third. It didn't really work in the end since the fight ended, but it was cool to see. MacDonald also seemed to have some of Nate's head movement figured out and almost nails him in the head with a kick as Diaz is dodging a jab.
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This is the first time I've seen someone say "Well enjoy the next three pages of the bi-monthly fight pay talk" and it came to pass almost exactly. \ Here's some other news to talk about, from the MMA Hour but I didn't see it reported here... http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/9/30/6869573/chris-weidman-aims-to-embarrass-and-make-a-mockery-of-vitor-belfort quote:In a recent interview with Combate, Belfort took shots at Weidman, who had to pull out of their Dec. 6 fight date in Las Vegas due to a broken hand. yes please
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On one hand I think the base pay in the UFC is more than reasonable since there's no way those guys, especially in today's UFC, are adding 10k of value to any show. On the other it's way too little for what they do to their brains and bodies.
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Dangersim posted:His what now? In an appropriately chosen frame of reference, Nate Diaz has head movement. In that same reference frame Michael J Fox is a statue.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:On one hand I think the base pay in the UFC is more than reasonable since there's no way those guys, especially in today's UFC, are adding 10k of value to any show. On the other it's way too little for what they do to their brains and bodies. its really weird because the agitators for higher pay are dudes like kennedy and volkmann who should, in a just world, be getting punched in the head for free. and somehow the biggest champion of unionization in a sport that contains literal IWW member jeff monson is, of course, tito ortiz
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Dangersim posted:Also while Weidman is almost certainly going to win, can we all accept that if Vitor did get him with the blitz and knocks him out in the first it would be really funny I would be heartbroken and probably mope for weeks.
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Dangersim posted:Also while Weidman is almost certainly going to win, can we all accept that if Vitor did get him with the blitz and knocks him out in the first it would be really funny I will sign this petition if he fails a drug test afterwards too.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/9/30/6869573/chris-weidman-aims-to-embarrass-and-make-a-mockery-of-vitor-belfort Dangersim posted:Also while Weidman is almost certainly going to win, can we all accept that if Vitor did get him with the blitz and knocks him out in the first it would be really funny TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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Dangersim posted:His what now? Well maybe "head movement" is too strong a term.
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Novum posted:I would be heartbroken and probably mope for weeks. Same
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Intel&Sebastian posted:This is the first time I've seen someone say "Well enjoy the next three pages of the bi-monthly fight pay talk" and it came to pass almost exactly. \ god Weidman owns
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TheRationalRedditor posted:This is going to be so very cool & funny when it finally happens exactly as Weidman and everyone smart in this thread for a year has called it Weidman is the best champion and dismantling Belfort piece by piece over 5 rounds would be an amazing spectacle worth paying for even on a garbage card. He should push for VADA testing for the fight, Vitor's like a walking ad for the necessity of stringent testing. Or an NSAC guy needs to follow him and take a sample every time Vitor takes a piss in the continental US.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:This is the first time I've seen someone say "Well enjoy the next three pages of the bi-monthly fight pay talk" and it came to pass almost exactly. \ quote:Belfort accused Weidman of wanting 'to keep his belt over Christmas," of pulling out of fight dates, and suggested the UFC create an interim title. This is hilariously stupid, even by Vitor's standards.
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