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ManMythLegend posted:I wasn't joking. That is literally the new PRT instruction. No it's not. Go read up on sailorbob. The majority of that info was bad gouge from a brainstorming session at some CFL meeting. OPNAV N1 said it's purely conjecture at this point and nothing is actually in writing. This came from an O6: quote:My CFL has spoken with with the PFA folks at N1: buttplug fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Sep 7, 2014 |
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ManMythLegend posted:I hope this is right, but I have zero faith that it's not going to happen. This is the same sort of language that gets used every time an early draft of an instruction works it's way out to the fleet. quote:1) Bad day retests no longer authorized Numbers 2 and 8 are the only onesof any noteworthiness - I can see no. 2 making it through to the final instruction - height/weight *and* BCA. Fair enough - AF already does that (anything >39" is auto-failure). However, number 8 will *never* make the cut and is just plain stupid. The rest are trivial changes.
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ManMythLegend posted:lol. Welcome to he Navy. Enjoy your stay. This just doesn't pass the bullshit test. We can barely heard the cats for urinalysis every morning, how are they going to do a no-poo poo BCA every morning? You'd have people changing out of uniform just to go stand in line and get rope & choked. Go check out the thread on Sailorbob. There are a lot of post-major command guys in there literally going "that's the stupidest thing I've seen in 25+ years". I mean I've seen the Navy do some completely stupid poo poo (LCS), but this is exceptionally unreasonable. What is not unreasonable is having people do height/weight *and* rope and choke during the BCA portion of the normal PFA cycle.... poopkitty posted:A 36" waist on a female is INSANE. Because of the awful method for measuring (and my genetics, thanks for the booty Mom) I fail the tape when I have the CFL do it for grins, but am 10-15 pounds under so I don't have to get taped. I have a 30" waist and cannot imagine 6 more inches. Gross. I guess it depends on if they're doing the full-up rope & choke (waist minus neck plugged into a formula) or if they're just going to measure your waist and say "it's over X inches, welcome to FEP". Big difference. I know the AF considers it an auto-failure if you're over 39" regardless of what you get on the PRT itself (not sure what the number is for females). Personally I have always been under weight and hate the idea of the rope and choke because 1) it's inaccurate as gently caress and 2) CFLs gently caress it up all the time. I'd hate to see people's careers and livelihoods literally hinge on whether or not some disgruntled E-8 is measuring his gut correctly... buttplug fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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ManMythLegend posted:Leave Sailor Bob out of this. Every policy change by the Navy has a host of old captains and commanders come out of the woodwork to bitch about how stupid everything is, and how the old navy was better at everything on that site. De-couple yourself from your SWO mentality for just a second ("it will directly cost the Navy $0 to implement"). How many commands *actually* breathalyze people as they walk up the brow these days? - there's a program we've spent millions on doing exactly fuckall. This program *will* cost money in the big scheme of things. Just because there's no direct cost doesn't mean it won't have mission impact and overall cost the government money. You have to consider the secondary and tertiary effects, not only the immediate benefits (loving millenials! kidding, kidding). This is rampant post-war good idea-fairyism at its best. If the Navy wants to force shape, then loving force shape via retention boards...don't take the passive-aggressive way out. It's almost like we have an eval/FITREP system for exactly that purpose... This *will* cost the Navy time *and* money - in terms of both man-hours and productivity. Keep reading the draft instruction, they're requiring commands to up the minimum number of hours of mandatory PT per week which will be another time/workday suck, and they're making it and inspectable program as well. That poo poo will equate to actual, tangible dollars and will have a real impact on the fleet. It's ridiculous ideas ideas like these that get kicked around at some random OPNAV brainstorming session full of O5s desperate for their bird that are going to continue to cause us to hemorrhage good people who are tired of the bullshit. This is likely just a part of the post-war sinosodial ramp-down, but still, it's a silly, convoluted way of implementing a reduction in forces. And sailorbob isn't just a bunch of random retired dudes. *Many* flags lurk those boards and several of them post regularly. A *lot* of the O5s/O6s on there are in command, major command, or immediate post-major command. Yea, there are a couple of old coots on there who get their panties in a wad and wax nostalgic but a lot of the folks on those boards have pretty good connections.
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Boon posted:It's you man, you're the most SWO non-current SWO I've ever interacted with. Me giving people on these boards for over a decade notwithstanding, I'm not even close to buying into the SWO mentality. Hell, I haven't even drank the Navy kool-aid. I generally still find myself disagreeing with or going against the grain on a good majority of the decisions we make because they're stupid, fruitless, and knee-jerk at best. That being said, MML you're more or less right, I can't point to any direct effect SB has had on any Big Navy decisions over the years, not gonna argue that one...but that still doesn't make it any less obnoxious of an idea. I just don't understand why we have to skirt around issues. If the Navy needs a reduction in force, hold retention boards and poo poo-can some dead weight. Why bother jumping through the hoops of [slowly] force-shaping by dramatically altering the PFA on a whim? Because the CNO likes to run marathons? That's loving retarded. We're taking the 15 mile scenic route to walk down the block.
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ManMythLegend posted:Oh yeah, it's totally obnoxious and stupid, and further erodes any trust the fleet has in it's chain of comman. I wish we could just have a board to trim the fat (heh), but unfortunately the Navy already painted itself into a corner by saying that there will be no more Retention Boards. A statement it had to make because it cocked that whole debacle up pretty royally. Here's a good place to start: Obviously, cutting a couple GOFOs isn't going to solve the problem directly (negligible number moving for those GS MBA types), but the level of good-idea fairyism and stupid hairbrained ideas will probably decrease. Current GOFOs may have to actually and trim fatty defense contracts (no shortage there) instead of pawning them off on some other senior officer to bastardize even further until he/she clasps their next star. I'm all for doing more with less *when its done right*. If we can do with less indians, we can certainly do with fewer chiefs as well.  
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Mad Dragon posted:It'll be funny when the only people still in are all the old fart flag officers and they have to do all the bitch work the enlisted used to do. The command I just came from was sorta like that. We had so many officers and so few enlisted running around, us O3s were no-poo poo on the same level as an E5 at best. It was not uncommon to walk onto our compound and see O3s thru O5s sweeping the motorpool, weed-whacking, raking leaves, doing PMS on humvees, and moving thousands of pounds of gear from point A to point B. *shrugs* poo poo's all relative. Just look at the Pentagon... ManMythLegend posted:I'm what you call an "ideas man". aka "Good Idea Fairy". 
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LingcodKilla posted:Put the dummy in an officers uniform and watch half the fleet time out due to deep moral convictions. Are you even in the Navy yet? Save the hurrrr officer hurrr jokes until you're actually a sailor.
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Read my above post again.
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LingcodKilla posted:Sure thing dude but it's literally a crack at enlisted disliking officers so much they would rather fail a test involving moving a representation of their disdain than just move it. Oh, is that what it is? I totally didn't get that the first time around. Again, re-read what I loving posted. You don't get to make jokes about the Navy - officers or otherwise - until you're actually loving in it. None of what you said went above my head, but clearly the point I was trying to convey went way over yours. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Boon posted:Again, most SWO non-SWO ever lol gently caress you...  Chalk that up to another pet peeve of mine.. I detest listening to civilians rant and rave about the military or make military jokes when they've never actually been in the military. Really not sure why, because I am generally pretty laid back when it comes to typical hot-button issues like politics (and continue to become more laid back over the years with that sort of poo poo). It's like that spouse that explain how the military works to newer spouses who don't know any better. It's like Ensigns talking down to other more junior Ensigns, it's like every time I go anywhere and some dependa pulls out her dependa ID card and asks for a military discount. It irks the ever-loving gently caress out of me. Dunno why. buttplug fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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Sir Lucius posted:I would drink budweiser before I drank Sam Adams. But then again I'm also gay Da fuq is wrong witchu boi?
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FFGs are useless, which is why you would have been so tight-knit MML. With no real mission to speak of (save for being a bullet sponge), you all have to be BFFs to pass the time.
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