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BouncingBuckyBalls posted:Yea it has made some news sites already. If someone can tell us what is the plane that was photoshopped in. I'm reading people say it is supposed to be a MiG-29. This is Iran levels of pathetic.
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To be totally fair its fake propaganda intended to deflect blame for the murder of 298 innocents.
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Cuntpunch posted:If you array almost the entirety of Asia and South America on one side, and *only* allow US + EU members on the other(ignoring American allies such as South Korea and Japan) - then yes I think they're correct that half of the world does have a larger military capability by sheer manpower numbers. But that assumes that INDIA is seriously going to flock to Russia's defense if push comes to shove. It also assumes that anybody in 'that group' has the technology of the NATO bloc(China sure, and I suppose Russia is keeping up) - but it doesn't account for stuff already noted in the thread. Most notably is that at least in Russia's case, their training is subpar on a soldier-for-soldier accounting. Military capability hasn't been measured in sheer manpower for a long time though. I mean yes, throwing bodies at enemy positions until they run out of ammunition has been a thing in the past (Eastern Front and Korean War come to mind) but in the age of the missile numerical superiority doesn't mean half of what it used to. The Chinese for example poo poo their pants at the Gulf War because it saw coalition forces absolutely crush a numerically superior force while barely breaking a sweat, which was a problem because Chinese military strategy at the time still counted on winning by sheer numbers, and precipitated China's current attempts to create a more modern force. I've read and reread that statement several times and I'm still struggling to come up with a way that it could possibly be true in any realistic sense. The US, EU, and their allies have almost triple the GDP of the BRICS and that assumes that the BRICS is a unified bloc (it's not.) The US alone spends more on its military than all the BRICS combined, and if I recall people were lining up to take a dump on Putin at the G20 summit over the weekend. Gosh if I didn't know any better I'd say that whoever wrote that is a dumbass nationalist whose dogma blinds him to reality.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The latest thing in Occupied Crimea: Businesses are being nationalized. Literal plundering.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I think Europe and The US know better than to even consider it. So the Russians are accusing Belarus and Canada by proxy of mass producing low quality goods while simultaneously trying to increase trade with China?
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Nov 22, 2014 02:54
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Cat Mattress posted:"Putin Vows to Punish Speculators Pushing Down Ruble’s Value". "Pretend our currency is worth more than it really is or else I will hurt you?"
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How can people claim with a straight face that we live in a multipolar world when people care so much about lines on google maps.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:48
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katlington posted:I dont see how that follows at all. It was a jab at how the people claiming that Russia is proud and unique and independent and doesn't need anyone else are placing so much value on where a line on a map is drawn by an American corporation.
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Young Freud posted:Could Russia even perform an intervention into Haiti? Interhemisphere force projection seems a bit beyond their military's scope right now. They'd have to get Cuba or Venezuela to help them out and I'm sure neither would want to provoke American action right now. The US would literally occupy Haiti before letting Russia intervene there.
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Dec 8, 2014 04:54
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I like to think that Russia nuking Belgium would be worth at least 50 new posts and a photoshop thread in GBS.
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So with oil under $60 a barrel do we have a bunch of newly pious Ukrainians?
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Libluini posted:To break up bank chat for a moment, 30 Russian fighter jets have been intercepted over the Baltic Sea. Here's a video. For domestic consumption and political points. "We've got the decadent west shaking in its boots with our military power! Look at how we're flying over Sweden and nobody has even shot any of our planes down!"
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McDowell posted:Watch Putin start a loving war. But...but the new world order dominated by the BRICS! What can they get in Europe or North America that they can't get in Brazil or China?
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Ardennes posted:Of course, here in the west we could say it was the ideology of an economic system, now it is just well dutch disease, inequality and sharp cliffs of commodity pricing. There isn't much of an ideological message to take from this. "Don't invade your neighbours."
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Ardennes posted:The invasion of Ukraine actually really hasn't factored much into it, Russia would have been screwed if they had not invaded Ukraine as well. Economically there isn't a moral lesson there. They wouldn't have also found themselves financing a costly stalemate and dumb flyovers of other countries while also being cut off from western financial institutions at the same time though.
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I saw 200+ new posts and thought something huge happened but nope, it's more "Poor plucky Russia, what if America is actually the bad guy?" chat from the usual suspects.
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Phlegmish posted:In Russian propaganda, Westerners are simultaneously neo-nazis and degenerate drug-addicted homosexuals. On the left one can see medicine, money, and love for one's fellow man. On the right one can see rampant militiarism, the middle ages, and 1960's technology. Seems about right to me.
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Not to mention it was technically the literal Nazis who were first in space. The Soviets were the first to orbit.
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SaltyJesus posted:Hmmmmmmm. Quite. Indeed. They can't put that on a propaganda poster because it's a symbol of international cooperation when strong Russia doesn't need anyone else.
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waitwhatno posted:I'm not sure what you expect. Russia should just give up and embrace total oblivion? Russia should withdraw from Ukraine including Crimea.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:At this point we should probably stick to realistic expectations. Russia can end the vast majority of its current problems at any time but don't because of dumbshit pride, so I don't feel a particularly high amount of sympathy towards its plight.
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Those drat Ukrainians, ignoring Russia's right to influence them. Don't they realize Russia is a great power? The USA and the EU wield the influence they do because people outside their borders generally welcome their influence, either for pragmatic or ideological reasons. It's bizarre that you seem to be operating on the assumption that certain countries have a right to a certain amount of "default influence" which is owed to them and not earned. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Mightypeon posted:Well, if they take Russian money (5 to 10 billions per year according to Brookings) then Russia gets influence. I didn't realize international influence in real life was the same as in a game of Civ 5.
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What does that image say for those of us who can't read Cyrillic?
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Forgall posted:What Russians are asking from Ded Moroz as new year present. Those are...really odd priorities.
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Cuntpunch posted:It's a tricky situation, and there's been some discussion of it regularly over the past few months as the Ruble collapsed. The problem is centered around the fact that Putin has created this "Ukraine is currently being run by nazis who are literally genociding anybody who speaks Russian" myth to whip the Russian people into a fervor, and if he were to just pack it in, give up in Ukraine, and let the separatists fall; well, it'd be a massive domestic failure for him and probably put him at risk of an ousting. If he tries to blitzkrieg to Kiev to end the war, it's only going to further isolate Russia on the international stage and exacerbate the economic issues they're experiencing, to say nothing of the fact that the Russian people are pretty deadset in opposition to any sort of war with Ukraine. With how fast Russia's economy is collapsing they might not even be able to feasibly blitzkrieg Kiev, lest the worst case scenario occur for Putin which is he goes to war with Kiev and loses.
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The most hawkish thing that the West could feasibly do at this point is open the floodgates for NATO membership for all of Russia's neighbours since it's becoming increasingly clear that's the only way to not have the Kremlin loving with you if you live near Russia. Even Sweden has been being disproportionately harassed by Moscow due the fact that it doesn't have NATO protection. Edit: Also give Japan, Australia, and South Korea NATO membership.
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Shark Mafia posted:Yeah and even then nuclear-armed cruise missiles launched from stealth subs would be fairly effective at accomplishing the same thing, although not quite in the 'instant doomsday' capacity of icbms. Of course, one of the big problems is that nobody wants to be the first to give up their nukes because then MAD equilibrium disappears.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Recession, what recession? Good thing they've explicitly said that Russians will eat less so now they can pay for their fancy new missiles.
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TildeATH posted:Why would you try to make absolutely clear something which everyone knows there is not enough political will to actually do? Part of me feels like the best way to get under Russia's skin when they do this is to just more or less ignore them like when North Korea does stupid poo poo. Seriously cold-war rhetoric gets these people off and nothing deflates them more than being treated as the poo poo-tier banana republic they are.
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I'm curious as to how Putin will be able to afford an invasion of Europe with his economy melting.
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So when did goons start to unironically advocate for armed conflict between nuclear powers.
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Like do people realize that in a nuclear war, the Something Awful Forums, among other things, would likely be knocked offline for the foreseeable future?
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So since people seem convinced Putin is about to try and blitz Kiev I'm curious as to how he's ultimately going to pay his army and keep them supplied and his equipment maintained and whatnot considering it would definitely lead to, at the very least, a complete embargo on all trade with Russia from the West and even China would probably back off on bailing out Putin at that point.
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Friendly Tumour posted:Pretty sure the only people afraid of western military reprisals are muslims. If that were the case then why doesn't Putin just overpower all his neighbours, NATO ones included, and re-establish the Soviet Union/Russian Empire? I mean it's hardly a secret at this point that the Russians would really really really like to do that.
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Deteriorata posted:You seem to have forgotten about the BEF and Dunkirk. And the same confusion really shouldn't exist today since I think that Obama made the line pretty clear. During the long Soviet occupation, the great Estonian poet, Marie Under, wrote a poem in which she cried to the world: “Who’ll come to help? Right here, at present, now!” And I say to the people of Estonia and the people of the Baltics, today we are bound by our treaty Alliance. We have a solemn duty to each other. Article 5 is crystal clear: An attack on one is an attack on all. So if, in such a moment, you ever ask again, “who will come to help,” you’ll know the answer -- the NATO Alliance, including the Armed Forces of the United States of America, “right here, [at] present, now!” (Applause.) We’ll be here for Estonia. We will be here for Latvia. We will be here for Lithuania. You lost your independence once before. With NATO, you will never lose it again.
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Rah! posted:Why do people think that the conflict escalating would inevitably lead to nuclear war? I don't think any country, Russia included, wants their poo poo wrecked by a nuclear holocaust. So I'm pretty sure Russia would never launch any nukes if this becomes an all out total war...unless a crazy person with access to codes/the big red launch button decides "gently caress it" and no one around him stops him, or a terrorist somehow gets hold of a nuke, both of which are always a possibility during peace time as well. I assume that even if just a single small tactical nuke gets used by Russia on Ukrainian/homonazi forces, the worldwide condemnation/sanctions/any conventional response by NATO would be strong enough that Russia would be double hosed anyways, even without a nuclear retaliation against them. Considering the stakes nobody wants to take the risk that yes, Russia is that crazy.
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Dolash posted:Sometimes I wonder if the decades of blue balls from a war never quite thought would eventually cause America and Russia to go stir-crazy and just bomb the hell out of each other at long last, just to get it out of their system. Generations have been born, raised, lived and died thinking the Final War was on the horizon, working feverishly to prepare for it, then Russia just kind of sputters out and we live on in an anticlimactic age of unsettled and unresolvable grievances. During the Cold War Russia was perceived as not just a military threat but also an ideological one that must be fought on all levels, from military to technology to education to cultural. Perception is everything and the USSR appeared to be 20 feet tall mostly because it was really good at pretending to be stronger than it actually was, with its military being the only one that usually wasn't being exaggerated in terms of capabilities (and even on that front they faltered, for example never being able to match NATO on the seas and occasionally having to bluff about their missile capabilities.) Back then Russia was able to project a constant flow of propaganda and was sufficiently closed off that it appeared to be mighty, perhaps even mightier than the US. Nowadays anyone can stroll into GBS and read Russia.jpg and see the shambling carcass that Russia actually is. America has nothing to prove in 2015, it's secure in its supremacy and everyone recognizes US supremacy. By ignoring Russian threats they're thumbing their nose at Russia Klingon style: by ignoring them.
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