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Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

The Two Doctors is really really weird. Like there's that part at the beginning where Six has to go to sleep and you wonder how Two and Jaime are even there looking older and people come up with season 6B. Then there's that bizarre cannibal chef bro who ends up palling around with Two.

It's hard not to enjoy because Troughton and Colin have so much fun with it and the chef guy plays his role with such gusto, but it's hard to really say that it's good or even fair because it is downright bizarre from start to finish, and more in the confusing "What the hell were they thinking?!" way than the fun way.

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After The War posted:


Everyone should listen to Gallifrey.


Agreed, I'm two "seasons" in and it has lots of great moments.

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Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

PriorMarcus posted:

Apparently Anthony Horowitz is the rumoured new show runner.

Which Horowitz himself has already denied.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Have they actually confirmed that Coleman is planning to leave at the end of the season? I'd totally believe it except that I don't think we've seen a reliable source say so. It would be a shame for her to depart just as she starts getting some characterization but I am also always excited for new blood. :getin:

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

It's at once hard to believe that there can be some kind of a petty feud that involves a hostage situation with lost tapes and the current showrunner and also the easiest thing in the world to believe.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I understand why having four Doctor Who threads would be way too loving many for one forum, but I'd prefer it that way, because I can't watch the episode until my fiance is ready, which means I'm frequently two or three days behind. I haven't seen it yet, but I peeked into the thread to check reactions and it seems like we've already sort of moved on to a Goon Project involving a wiki.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

LividLiquid posted:

No need to be condescending.

He was just telling you the name for the term. It's something everyone experiences, so I'm sure he didn't mean it as an insult.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Fil5000 posted:

Could everyone please get Doctor avatars so I can pretend this derail about condescension (or lack thereof) is part of a multi doctor episode? Thanks.

If some avatar fairy would grant me a few avatar certs, then I would change mine to Tom Baker and instead of regenerating into Five immediately, over the next few weeks, I would just find pictures where he looks progressively drunker and zoom in closer on his face each time that I have to re-buy an avatar. Maybe for the last one, I'll just put Tom himself in the clown car and see if they let me keep it.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Big Mean Jerk posted:

He wasn't being condescending, you people are just too sensitive these days.

That doesn't sound a bit like the Seventh Doctor!

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

If you made a wiki I might chip in on on the things I have knowledge of after seeing your guidelines, when I have time. I prefer to have no administrative responsibility or commitment and will be part of absolutely no drama when people start disagreeing on how to do things, though.

e: I'm so generous.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Big Mean Jerk posted:

There are far bigger issues in this thread than Jakiri's prickly demeanor. For one, this lunacy about a goon-made DW wiki.

But see if the likeliest thing happens, which is that it explodes into factions and intense arguments and bad design mock-ups before it even hits the ground, it has the potential to be the funniest thing since the Zybourne Clock and if not, it virtually has to be better than the TARDISpedia or whatever.

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Imagine four Doctor Who continuities on the edge of a cliff

This basically, except with pictures of Doctor What's coat and angry jibes edited into every Moffat entry by PriorMarcus

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Please include an entry on sex but have the entire text be "If you're reading about it here, give up on it forever."

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Well, I finally saw the episode. It was okay, I think my favorite of the season so far (although I liked the second half of Deep Breath and portions of Into the Dalek a lot). I think the beginning with the Doctor and Robin bickering actually went on a bit long and started to grate, but it picked up a lot once they got out of prison. It was interesting to see how Capaldi did with one of the more comedic, fun, lighthearted episodes, where the other characters play historical figures and chew on the scenery. I actually think he came off as a bit petty and mean in the beginning, and not in as fun a way as they intended, but again, it got better after he and Robin Hood got out.

I really enjoyed the Sheriff as Count Rugen crossed with the Master crossed with Carlton Lassiter and Clara was good, although she felt a bit Rose during portions.

I guess the Doctor's arc this season is that, rather than giving up on other people or on the beauty of the Universe or on the Time Lords, he's given up on himself, which was nicely mirrored with him blustering at how wonderful he was when he secretly seems to find himself as phony as Robin Hood.

It was fun. I definitely like season 8 better than the back half of seven so far.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Cleretic posted:

The thing I sort of like about how the Tardis Wiki works is that with its blending of everything into the same level of canon, it'll probably introduce you to some weird and obscure poo poo. It's not useful for just answering a simple question like 'what is a Rutan, and why is "Martha is a Rutan" a funny joke', but if you're just poking around it for fun you'll learn about some weird one-shot from the wilderness years, a decent idea buried in a Target book, or a funny little joke from a comic that you'd never have stumbled across otherwise. Doctor Who has one hell of an expanded universe, and the Tardis Wiki's complete lack of a hierarchy means that you're going to run headlong into some part of it.

I actually think it's the worst for this, because while you're trying to find the answer for a simple question, you get so bogged down with pointless text that it becomes easier to ram the words into Google and see what comes out. Even finding out "what serials was this planet mentioned in?" is really difficult to find in a way that involves just skimming and not reading paragraphs of Zygon porn.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Man, Singularity has some major new age muzak playing throughout most of the first part.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

DoctorWhat posted:

Gallifrey is about as far from a good starting point as is possible. You wanna start with The Marian Conspiracy or The Holy Terror.

I agree with this. Gallifrey is about some backstabbing Time Lord politics. While it's one of the few Doctor Who stories that works for me, and it sort of blends the terrifying Troughton Time Lords with the foppish bureaucrats of the Four through Six era and manages to make them menacing, it's complicated, borrows from a lot of other Big Finish stories and isn't exactly a light romp to get you used to the medium of radio plays. It's a great story, but don't start with it.

I should also clarify while recommending it that I'm only at the end of season 2 and it has six seasons; it's possible the quality declines, but knowing Big Finish, it's more likely that it has a lull at some point but continues to improve, for the most part.

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After The War posted:

You could probably do worse than to run through Six/Evelyn stories up to Apocalypse Element, then jump back on the Eight Train if you're not a crazy person like me and try to listen to all of Big Finish in release date order.

Hey, me too! I don't recommend it unless you are, in fact crazy and can't do otherwise, but it does provide an interesting perspective on how Big Finish develops as the years pass.

Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Sep 10, 2014

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't compare it to the West Wing. There's a lot of obvious commentary in it with regard to immigration, imperialism, xenophobia as a response to terrorism and whatnot, but it's coded within a science fiction story, which really makes it a departure from the naked commentary that is Soorkin writing. I guess if one wanted to draw comparisons, on a character level Gallifrey is often about Romana learning to be a good leader and compromise without giving up her ideals.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I was about to disagree with your Five and Turlough recommendations, but then I realized that there's actually only one other Five and Turlough story and it's the one I'm only halfway through and can't in good faith recommend, so I guess go with those ones.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Has anyone assembled a document that places Big Finish in chronological order from the Doctor's perspective (with the TV stories in between)? I don't care enough to make an attempt at it myself, but it would be interesting to glance at before listening to a story.

Someone must have done the thinking behind it because the wikipedia pages for each of them says "set between."

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

MrL_JaKiri posted:

They already did this, it was bad

That episode wouldn't have been great no matter what, but to be fair, part of what made it bad was stuffing Winston Churchill into it as the Doctor's lovable ol' buddy and using the World War II setting.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Bicyclops posted:

Has anyone assembled a document that places Big Finish in chronological order from the Doctor's perspective (with the TV stories in between)? I don't care enough to make an attempt at it myself, but it would be interesting to glance at before listening to a story.

Someone must have done the thinking behind it because the wikipedia pages for each of them says "set between."

I tried doing this quickly because the Doctor Who reference guide is so loaded with novels that it was even more confusing. It is surprisingly easy for the Fifth Doctor but Once you hit the Sixth Doctor, it's very confusing to figure out when the hell they want the Peri stories to take place so I gave up on it, although it seems like everything else takes place after the trial portions of Trial of Timelord but before the Mel episodes.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jakiri is right though, they basically half-did Power with Matt Smith already in his first season.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

DoctorWhat posted:

The doors in both episodes use the Doom sound effects when they open and close.

I know everyone knows those from Doom but they're in just about everything in television.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

DoctorWhat posted:

The following is an addendum to my immediately-previous post:

So I just listened to Deadline. I dunno how I'd put that off for so long. And I have some thoughts.

Robert Shearman, you utter BASTARD!

why would you do this to me

i thought we were friends

you follow me on Tumblr

we've shook hands

and then you turn around, travel back 11 years, and write Deadline!?

stop being so good, Rob. It's killing me, like radiation sickness. And I haven't got the appropriate gloves.

In all seriousness, Deadline is really super incredibly amazingly loving good and you should all listen to it immediately and unspoiled.

The Unbound line in general (barring that one terrible, terrible one with David Tennant that isn't worth mentioning), is incredible. They're still some of my favorite Big Finish stories.

I, on the other hand, just heard the first Iris Wildthyme standalone, which was attempting to be zany just a little too hard, I think. It was fun to listen to after last week's episode though, because it does have Robin Hood in it, carrying a fellow's head around on a stick.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

People don't talk about the Agatha Christie episode much. I'm still a little angry about it because although it is an okay episode, it is not really an Agatha Christie episode, which is a thing we should have had and now never will.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

computer parts posted:

The Lazarus Experiment.

That one had some really bad writing but I did enjoy the reverse the polarity joke.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Everyone remembers that Master arc though, partly because of Dobby and partly because Derk Jacobi was criminally wasted on having an extremely small role when he should be playing the Master for seasons and seasons, with the Delgado goatee.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Derk Jacobi and his sidekick Biff Malabo

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004


It's comforting to know that one can assemble a bunch of random letters and come up with a porn star with an extensive IMDB listing

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Sam Anderson getting top billing is a good thing.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Is the Moonbase the one where Jaime is like "Hey, Victoria, what do you think of these shiny leotards everyone is wearing?" and Victoria is like :rolleyes:?

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Nah, it's a Ben/Polly/Jamie story

Ah okay. I get the Troughtons confused. I really enjoy his serials but for some reason I really can't keep them straight in my head, I think it's because I went back and watched the repros after I watched everything else.

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Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

MrL_JaKiri posted:

They were just Generic Companions. Not great, not terrible.

Yup. That's Ben and Polly alright.

Ben exists largely to be wrong and have the Doctor explain how, Polly at least does a little more than scream, sometimes they help out, they both want to get home, yadda yadda yadda.

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