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Ah, Ruh-Weebee. I will probably never watch this show but the title itself and the gifs that keep popping up will be jokes in themselves for all time. I thought the action in one of the trailers looked semi-neat, then opened up a random episode to see if it was good and discovered horrible 'anime-esque' dialogue and had to turn it off. I didn't think it was possible to be more anime than anime. It's like an anime replicant.
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Srice posted:That's because the animation program they use is Poser, which is not intended to be used for that. It's mainly for modeling, storyboarding and the like! Poser is not for anything. I'm 90% sure it's a joke program that serves no purpose.
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Sep 9, 2014 14:54
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KasaiAisu posted:well scripted conversation "Did you steal my binder?" "I am not a crook" *poses like Nixon*
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Sep 10, 2014 18:16
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If anything gives me hope for the future, it's the fact that RWBY can win awards.
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Sep 12, 2014 12:40
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Takoluka posted:it's really easy to just turn it on and turn your brain off If you allow yourself to become an empty vessel, free of thought or opinion or mind or soul, RWBY is technically something you can sit in front of for ten whole minutes at a time! Available now on Crunchyroll.
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Sep 12, 2014 16:17
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Spiritus Nox posted:Confirm/Deny: People who like RWBY like it moreso as a catalyst for erotic fanfiction/fanart than for anything the show itself does. Confirm. The show is already fanfiction, but to an entire medium. You need a lot of imagination to like the show - you have to be watching it and going 'wouldn't it be interesting if something good was happening?'
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Sep 14, 2014 13:37
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Angry Walrus posted:He may or may not also be autistic because when RT upgraded their copies of Poser he flipped his poo poo and by Burnie's own recounting of the story literally begged for them to revert the changes because the old version was what he was used to and apparently wasn't capable of learning how to use the new features and layout. Please link this.
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Sep 17, 2014 13:03
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It's 'common' to do this very troubling thing, so let's not complain about it! On that note, gently caress XKCD for making fun of people's workflow problems. It's monstrous.
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Sep 18, 2014 03:05
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HiveCommander posted:The difference being that most of those people aren't using Powerpoint to make an animated series with considerable financial backing
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Sep 18, 2014 07:11
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Not only that, but RWBY's final render ISN'T a render at all, at least for season one. It's a playblast (playing the video in the preview window of the program itself). In other words, basically a pre-rendering stage test. Maybe they're going for a very particularly unique look, but I guarantee you can get better results by not doing that and taking the time to learn/use any 3D program's rendering function, including Poser. (or maybe, get this, a version that's not from 2005?)
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Sep 18, 2014 12:10
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I really don't like 'anime' humour in that turns up in a lot of shows and anime-inspired material. It feels like an infinite cycle of recursion, where they're making a reference to a genre convention that was itself a reference to previous ones, terminating somewhere in the 60s where a middle-aged japanese man wrote something he thought kids would laugh at. Kevin Smith's stuff often encounters a similar problem but with a reverence for something else. I mean clearly the writing isn't the focus of the show, but that doesn't mean you should half-rear end it with meme-level humor. You can do well-written action with interesting themes. Also I really don't like shows about 'sexy' anime fightladies. It creeps me, especiallly when the characters are super uninteresting beside one key gimmick each. I'd actually prefer a show where they literally said nothing. It would feel somehow less stilted and robotic than this. Kill La Kill is not for everyone but I feel it does a good job of criticising exactly this sort of genre/storytelling, pushing it to such an extreme that it simultaneously parodies the style and mutates it into something unique.
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Sep 18, 2014 13:52
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Maybe the key slowed him down because it got covered in greasy sweat and/or cheeto dust, or got broken from the sheer pressure of being violently mashed at incredible speeds. It's very odd to desire speed and efficiency but have to use an old program and destroy your keyboards in the process, while using 'like nine' monitors, in order to rip off a fight from the Matrix but with lesbians
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Sep 19, 2014 18:52
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Ccs posted:Exactly. It's an animated version of a teenager's webcomic. Which invariably focuses more on the peripherals of coolness and less on actually competent storytelling. Which is super interesting in itself. It's all the superficially cool aspects of various Anime, abstracted away from what made them actually cool. In Trigun, Vash the Stampede is 'cool' only in the abstracted, electric guitar rock of the OP. It's designed as an act of misdirection - this incredible individual is actually tremendously more complex than the surface it puts up. That's what the show is about, when you get down to it. Of course, nowadays you can look up the OP on youtube and find not only a full version of the song, but a 15-minute extended version that badly loops over and over, with 21,000+ views. Some people seem to want the illusion cast by the OP, but one that goes on for ever and is never inspected in greater detail. I bring up Trigun because it has 'cool fights' and also 'cool weapons', things this show aspires to have. To compare: In Trigun, both of these things are extensions of the narrative and themes. All of Vash's weapon, including the spoilery ones, are extensions of himself in very literal and symbolic ways. The story is exploring him through what he is 'made of', and why he chooses not to be the man implied by his wanted poster (the other main character carries around a giant heavy cross full of guns and 'mercy' - hm...). In RWBY, Ruby has a gun scythe because...it's a cool idea Monty Oum thought of? Because scythes were in Soul Eater or Devil May Cry? I like cakes, especially ones with icing. If I conclude that I should just eat the raw icing sugar out of the box, I am doing something wrong. Or let's say I happened to really like a cake with a big Che Guevara picture iced onto it. It would be silly to start collecting Che memorabilia. Thus, also, to gunblades.
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Sep 20, 2014 15:41
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Ferretts posted:I agree there are mental issues being revealed here, but not Monty's. You are welcome to contradict my analyses of the 'anime' 'coolness' it attempts to generate. It's telling that, in order to compare the thread to school bullies (and diagnose people with mental problems yourself! - you are literally equating people to children with mental disorders), you purposefully ignored all the posts that really discuss the show. Why you build this fictional universe for yourself is beyond me. I guess it's more comfortable to pretend everyone's a big bad bully than it is to question one's own assumptions. E: Critical thinking about shows is not wrong. It is, in fact, demanded. If you love Monty Oum's hit series RuhWeeBee so much, you'd want the best for it, right? So why don't you want it to get better? Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Sep 22, 2014 01:28
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Ferretts posted:Yes. Do more of this. What have I been unwilling to question? Also you can't stop people who attack people's characters by calling them meanyheads (or in your case, calling them children with mental disorders). It's better to try and raise the discussion than lower yourself to it.
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Sep 22, 2014 02:03
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Rexides posted:This is a objectively terrible show that is relatively very popular. For several pages now we have been talking just about the lead animator. Said animator has released a guide for fan fiction writers. This is basically it. Monty Oum is the ultimate anime fanboy, and by appreciating 'his work', viewers are vicariously appreciating themselves. This is why relatively straightforward critique ("mutilating your tools and purposefully using a worse version of a software is not good practice") is being imagined as school bullies (with mental disorders, because why not?) picking on a kid in the cafeteria. While the kid is technically Monty Oum, The Oumchild is a stand-in for everyone else who appreciates anime in his very specific way, but didn't ever get the chance to make it themselves. Interesting side-point: Oum is treated as if a frail child, even in the imaginations of those who like him. This is telling. This ties into my theory about this show and others like it removing all the good parts of anime through obsession with the signifiers of good-ness. Because there's nothing actually good in the show, a fan's discussion of the show necessarily has to revolve around how successful it has been, how much of a workaholic coolguy Monty Oum / Rooster Teeth are, their personal fanfiction character and how they would fit into official canon, and continuous re-insistence that the fights are 'cool'. The point is the part where you actually enjoy the show in some meaningful way is endlessly deferred elsewhere. It is weaponised desire. Monty Oum is a genius in the very specific way the creators of porn are geniuses.
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Literally The Worst posted:"Guys you can't talk bad because at least he's creating spmething" is the defense of small children who can't handle criticism. It's also super, super revealing about why people like him in the first place. Oum is a nerdy cosplayer with a major anime obsession 'just like me' who actually managed to make something and get popular. See also: Kevin Smith
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Sep 23, 2014 14:55
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If Oum had taken his choices more seriously, he would have made better ones.
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Literally The Worst posted:"Guys guys I know I'm eating trash, okay, I udnerstand that it's dirt and worms but the loving CANS are so tasty man, I wish you would stop talking bad about trash just because it's literal refuse, you sure are big men making GBS threads on trash, I bet you've never thrown anything out in your life." This is my favourite post in this entire forum. I've typed enough  about weird nerd pathologies in this thread already but, like, people are eating poo poo, claiming they know it is poo poo, then saying 'let's put it up to taste  '. Ferretts is going all puppetmaster by claiming my posts are 'well thought-out' (but you see, it is sarcasm!) and faux-laughing at people getting annoyed by his awkward defenses of a show he likes. Good thread, rating five.e: I mean seriously, you gave the thread such a cautiously-worded self-conscious title but then decry real discussion of the show's quality or criticisms (some of which are over the top, I agree, Monty Oum is not an actual lunatic). Defend the show with the critical faculties that led you to like it enough to make a thread about it. Come on. Please. If I can go the whole hog with defending Kill La Kill, you can defend your favourite titninja fightshow as well. e2: My RWBY fan-character has a sad past that makes her sad sometimes. But not too sad that she can't take part in the witty hijinks! She miscarried. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 09:38
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I mean, you can't please everybody. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks! *eats turd flavoured ice cream*
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AlternateNu posted:I want to say this is the most entertaining thread in ADTRW, right now. It is like reading the D&D forum intertwined with the most asinine parts of TVIV. Level Slide posted:If I make a fan episode using Maya or something, does it still count as RWBY? HiveCommander posted:I didn't like Kill la Kill because it was a skeevy 'monster-of-the-week', and Satsuki's eyebrows were bigger than the Nintendo Home Entertainment System.
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Sep 24, 2014 15:20
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Well that's just your opinion.
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Also, german words pronounced properly are great. That's why animes love them. If you're not even gonna pronounce it properly there's no point. "Like I love anime and am gonna make my own and do all the things animes I like do, but actually not at all. gently caress you" - Monty Oum
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Level Slide posted:Well did you ever create anything? I technically worked on RWBY. I'm a computer technician in Rooster Teeth's area. One day I asked Burnie 'hey what's with all the broken keyboards you keep sending me?' Okay that's all a lie. The real answer is, I create lies. Lies are creations. I am a creator. A story-teller. It's like anime, but with words instead of boob drawings.
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Ferretts, not to police you or anything, but you should go back to trying to smokescreen yourself with silly jokes about fan-characters. You don't seem to be up to the task of defending the show/Oum. It would have been more funny if you'd replaced 'labrador' with 'anime'.
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It does, however, lay bare the real relationship at play between the show and its fans. "I love RWBY, because RWBY loves me!" Another example: I'm not saying the Plinkett reviews aren't worth watching or shouldn't be popular, but their popularity is in part because the fans have always thought the prequels were bad but were never quite sure why - beyond cultural touchstones like jarjar being bad or whatever. Those videos fulfil their own desire for the prequels to be as bad as they think they are. Similarly, RWBY is 'good' because calling it good retroactively validates your decision to watch it and shows like it. This is why there's so much fanfiction. The fans, on some level, are aware that the show exists as their own wish fulfillment, so they are adapting it to fulfill their wishes in a more specific and personal way.
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KasaiAisu posted:I don't know about you, but when I watch something I don't like, I stop watching. I hated Avatar: Legend of Korra and still haven't watched the third season because of it. Are you saying that the existence of fanfiction means the show is bad? Because that means everything, everywhere, is terrible. I'm pretty sure the enormous amount of fanfiction/art is just because RWBY appeals to the same demographic as, say, Homestuck. It's not that the show is bad, it's that the show hasn't completely satisfied something in the particular viewer - but since they want the show to be good (for reasons I explored before), they are taking it into their own hands to 'rectify' that. "This show would be perfect if X happened instead" is the central conceit of fanfiction - a simultaneous admission that one likes, or wants to like, the show but that they are a better creator than its originator (and, in a sense, they are - who better knows what show they want to see than the audience?). Plenty of joke fanfictions parody this attitude mercilessly, but the ultimate punchline is that sometimes the fan-work is so different you can literally change the names and make millions on Kindle. RWBY itself smacks of fanfiction but with the edges sawn off in a similar manner.
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I'm not saying fanfiction creators actually believe that they are superior to the creator, but they are tacitly doing so when they rewrite the original story. If you write a story where Kirk and Spock gently caress, you are rewriting the context of the show to suit what you 'wanted' to see. This extends to cross-canon fanfiction, there are simply better reasons why Yugi and Goku never met than normal. The Lego comparison doesn't quite work. Lego is a constructive thing designed for creative freedom. A show is a necessarily complete story that people are rewriting by introducing new characters. Claiming that a show is 'just like Lego' completely misses concepts like themes, or storytelling, or whatever. At that point all shows are just a box of random ideas you can switch out with other things on the fly instead of more cohesive pieces of art. Which strikes me as incredibly cynical and not in the spirit of anime at all. Fanfiction tends to be more rife in communities where the work has a very powerful effect on a specific group and a new subculture forms around it. 'Team Edward/Team Whoever' etc and the prevalence of Twilight fanfictions are part of the same thread of fandom. First you think someone else 'should' have ended up with Bella, then you simply write a version where that happened. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Endorph posted:youre basically writing fanfiction about the rwby fanbase so what does this all say about you By the same metric, you are writing fanfiction about me. Again, this is a cynical way of looking at things and I reject it. I'm just discussing the show and its reception in the relevant thread. You are welcome to disagree with me and provide your own. But fanfiction doesn't exist for no reason and discussing its prevalence is interesting to me and highly relevant in a discussion about an Anime Show made by a man whose central deal has been making animesque fanfiction his entire career, working for a company that got famous from halo fanfiction. A Gnarlacious Bro posted:You're not going to be able to explain the philosophical concept of patricide and how it relates to writing/re-writing to the anime forum posters dude. You're just gonna get defensive posts and accusations of equivalency. A man can dream, Gnarlacious. A man can dream. And then write the dream down and make millions. e: lol 'i dont care' - but you care enough to write fanfiction about me. Try to care a little more or a little less!
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Why? Are you afraid of psychologists? Tell me about your mother.
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Ferretts posted:
Why did you want Pacifica to die so much? In art, sometimes things happen that you don't like. You can interpret it, or inspect your own reaction and learn something about yourself, or you can simply declare it a problem, and think badly of it for not doing what you wanted (and maybe go one further by rewriting it). For example: I don't like the absence of cool fights in Gatchaman Crowds. But Crowds is heart and soul a story about the wrongness of 'heroism' and the idolising of heroic figures who protect society with explosions of violence. It didn't give me what I want and made me reassess my own ideas of how things 'should be,' forced me to decide upon my own desire. Crowds is Art. So is RWBY, but for precisely the opposite reasons. That's what makes it interesting.
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I was more or less defending the way my mind always makes Pacifica die in Scrapped Princess. Is it fan fiction if you don't write it down?
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As someone who specifically wanted to see what someone like him would do after something like RWBY and beyond, this is a real shame. Now they won't ever exist.
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