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Like one that attacked the party and then started running away in fear when he was the only one left alive. Relevant to winning an argument with my DM.
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Goblins are classed as evil creatures, so it is always good and just to kill them, under any circumstance.
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Sep 17, 2014 05:10
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Even if the circumstance is begging for its life? These, and more hard moral quandaries, wrack my brain at night!
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Sep 17, 2014 05:12
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Goblins are not beyond redemption
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Sep 17, 2014 05:14
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There's no quandry here friend, by the DnD alignment system, goblin is evil thus anything it does is evil, even evilly begging for its life, not killing it would make you a "fallen paladin" according to the rules, as you would have allowed evil when you could stop it.
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Sep 17, 2014 05:15
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Buschmaki posted:There's no quandry here friend, by the DnD alignment system, goblin is evil thus anything it does is evil, even evilly begging for its life, not killing it would make you a "fallen paladin" according to the rules, as you would have allowed evil when you could stop it. "I can kill this creature in any circumstance at all because of its belief system" seems evil
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Sep 17, 2014 05:16
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QuantumNinja posted:"I can kill this creature in any circumstance at all because of its belief system" seems evil welcome to the Lawful alignment
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Sep 17, 2014 05:17
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i liked the 5 alignment system in 4th edition who cares about the difference between neutral vs. chaotic good or lawful vs. neutral evil
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Sep 17, 2014 05:19
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:welcome to the Lawful alignment So the Law says I have to kill goblins, even good ones, even deserving ones, and so I kill them all? The kids, everything? Because 
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Sep 17, 2014 05:20
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:welcome to the Lawful alignment What if I told the gobbos I wouldn't kill them if they left before the fight?
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Sep 17, 2014 05:39
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the lawful alignment is your ticket to murdering whoever you want so long as you can kind of explain why after you do the deed
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Sep 17, 2014 05:51
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Bahamut will know his own.
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Sep 17, 2014 05:55
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" he is very compassionate, and has boundless empathy for the weak and downtrodden. He urges his followers to promote good, but to let people fight their own battles when they can, providing healing, information, or temporary safe refuge rather than fighting alongside those who can fight for themselves." As a good paladin, murder him. As a follower of Bahamut, show mercy. Unless he can be linked to Tiamat, then toture him for information then flay him alive as example.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:03
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"would" in the descriptive sense? of course they would because this is D&D and it's a stupid game (that i like a lot) "would" in the prescriptive sense? even though Bahamut is a chump i doubt he would approve of this bullshit
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Sep 17, 2014 06:04
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What are you going to do? Send it to jail? Nobody wants to feed an imprisoned goblin. So either you commit to babysitting this goblin for the rest of its life to make sure it doesn't murder anyone, or you let it go and all the hosed up rape and murder it commits are on you. Choice is simple op.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:16
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QuantumNinja posted:Like one that attacked the party and then started running away in fear when he was the only one left alive. you should always squash as many goblins as you can get your hands on, they multiply crazy fast and have like, litters of eggsacks or something the're vermin op
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Sep 17, 2014 06:19
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I remember some cool pathfinder subclass or prestige or whatever where you could place basically good hexes on bad creatures. Like "no fighting" and it'd magically be prevented from fighting and raping for like 4 months.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:27
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you can just tell the clerics that he grabbed for your sword, OP
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Sep 17, 2014 06:28
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I play videogames for the sole purpose of exploring the ~*human condition*~ through tough moral decisions like this one OP.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:34
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Roctavian posted:you can just tell the clerics that he grabbed for your sword, OP Hands up, don't smite
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Sep 17, 2014 06:35
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:i liked the 5 alignment system in 4th edition I loving care. I'm sure tons (literally) of other greasy nerds do too. Chaotic good and lawful evil were great and I feel that they stripped it down to make 4E arbitrarily different. It's a petty complaint but dammit I want my Robin Hood alignments back.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:36
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metricchip posted:I loving care. I'm sure tons (literally) of other greasy nerds do too. Agreed. Lawful Evil is the bomb. I led a group of goods as a LE anti-paladin (with GMs approval since it's technically a CE only) and it was the most fun role playing ever.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:43
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Just like, play your character how your character would be like, be? I don't get why you need all this alignment on a sheet BS when the real essence of table-top gaming is unlocked through our minds.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:46
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In Imagination.
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Buschmaki posted:Just like, play your character how your character would be like, be? I don't get why you need all this alignment on a sheet BS when the real essence of table-top gaming is unlocked through our minds. Because the rules of the game are like physics. Without gm home rules the phb is the laws of physics. If he makes the wrong choice, he loses his class powers.
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Sep 17, 2014 06:52
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im playing a lawful evil necromancer in a Tyranny of Dragons game and i would argue that he is more moral than a paladin because he isn't going to just murder fools because of racism and also he goes out of his way to spare the life of dragon cultists because they don't know any better (and are also potential future minions)
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Sep 17, 2014 06:54
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Nasgate posted:Agreed. Lawful Evil is the bomb. I led a group of goods as a LE anti-paladin (with GMs approval since it's technically a CE only) and it was the most fun role playing ever. Grim posted:im playing a lawful evil necromancer in a Tyranny of Dragons game and i would argue that he is more moral than a paladin because he isn't going to just murder fools because of racism and also he goes out of his way to spare the life of dragon cultists because they don't know any better (and are also potential future minions) Lawful evil rules for both dick PCs and dick bad guys.
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Sep 17, 2014 08:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvkvcZxl9U0
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Sep 17, 2014 08:16
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fleeing isn't in itself a moral action. why did the goblin flee? was it just because you might kill it? if so, it's loving evil and trying to save its rear end. kill that fucker
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Sep 17, 2014 08:26
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Kellsterik posted:Bahamut will know his own.
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Sep 17, 2014 09:19
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you should get the magic item that gives you a team of white house lawyers in your head to morally sign off on any questionable stuff you do, in future. we smote some folks
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Sep 17, 2014 10:12
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There's no law saying you can't kill a goblin.
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Sep 17, 2014 13:29
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if the goblin is actually surrendering peacefully the paladin has to make the effort to not immediately murder it - he might take it to trial and righteously sentence it to death for being a goblin in the first degree tho if it just runs away he might, at most, have to throw down a "CEASE THINE RESISTANCE! CEASE THINE RESISTANCE!" while he chops it in half
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Sep 17, 2014 13:37
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I believe the latest Dungeons and Dragons movie: Dungeons and Dragons 3: The Book of Vile Darkness deals with similar ethical questions.
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Sep 17, 2014 14:11
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I recommend studying thunts paladin, op
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Sep 17, 2014 14:18
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i too believe in moral absolutism op
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Sep 17, 2014 14:24
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lmao if you aren't playing a LG paladin as judge dredd, only way to make the archetype interesting
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Oh i just noticed that its bahamut, he's the peace love and understanding type of LG right I recommend your DM have clerics of bahamut witness your terrible slayings and drum you out so you can go to a more hardcore LG god like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heironeous
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zen death robot posted:I just made one, only kill if you are in immediate danger Please update the imp zone rules thread accordingly
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To clarify, I let a goblin go after trying to intimidate them into running away. Two attacked us, we killed one, and the other started running. I stopped my party from pursuing him, since he was obviously bloodied and scared. Now my DM is all "bro you gotta change your god a LG paladin of Bahamut would meet let a goblin survive"
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