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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

The marines are still flying hueys, cobras, and harriers. They'd probably fly skyraiders if they burned jet fuel.

Nah, sky raiders are too good at the coin role and don't have VTOL.

hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Oct 24, 2014

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

CBJSprague24 posted:

Rumblings on Airliners.net have Air Wisconsin starting Delta Connection flying in the near future. Are they magically going to add CR7s or CR9s? DL was trying to dump CR2s the last I'd heard.

I also wonder how this might affect ExpressJet/Chautauqua/Endeavor/Skywest and how they tie into DCI flying. Do any of the four have a contract vote coming up?

Delta's last investors call said they were trying to have 125 CR2s in the near future so they're still planning on having some around.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Captain Apollo posted:

Gross, a tail dragger.

Tail draggers are great when you're trying to land a plane on a helipad.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

SomeDrunkenMick posted:

So I'm asking for a friend here not me, thank gently caress. He has a significant amount of hours training done and is well over halfway through his atpls. But he's young and dumb and got caught driving drunk, he's months away from a court date but I'd imagine he's going to get a conviction out of this.
My question is how hosed is he regarding an airline career? I'm not going to defend the drink driving but he's a good kid.

Depends, how does he feel about poverty and Great Lakes?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

So I guess Delta will go find some 727s to run those routes or something?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

They already got all those 717s in service. In fact don't they nearly have every MD-90 and 717 in the world currently in service?

They'll have to go back further for their new old short haul planes now. Maybe they still have their DC-9-50s laying around.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Speaking of Memphis, I'm surprised Cincinnati is still a focus city after the merger.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

CBJSprague24 posted:

Apparently, he celebrated ROC-ATL going from three M88s to 3 M90s as some sort of triumph, too.

Really. 11 seats was something to celebrate?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

chrisgt posted:

Yea, I do high altitude weather balloon stuff. They often go above 120,000 feet. And the stupid gopros almost never last the whole flight, even with extended batteries.

Can't you get a USB external battery?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

I only have experience with the exact opposite (electronics for dives) where you can throw it all in a plexiglass case and have it be ip67. You might need a parachute though at that point though

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The question is 10 years down the line when you're a major how much flying will you do? 10 years down the line an airline pilot is going to be doing more flying if anything, right?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

CBJSprague24 posted:

I took off as a passenger on a Delta 757 on Reagan's Runway 33 (5204 ft) once because of strong winds making Runway 1 unusable.

I was fully aware of what a freak of nature the 757 is, but even then :stonk:.

MD-80s can give quite a ride too. Was that a static take off?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

fordan posted:

And by later date, that means all travel completed within a year. And some economy fares don't qualify for changes. https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/ticket-changes-refunds/ticket-changes.html

It'd help if we had the exact fare code. For the most likely ones you'll be able to convert it delta credit minus the $200ish change fee. E isn't refundable, Y is full fare and refundable. B and M won't have the change fee.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Butt Reactor posted:

I never taught multi engine, but hearing the horror stories from my MEI friends doesn't shock me. One time at night one student was setting up to land on the lighted street [i]perpendicular[i/] to the airport rather than the runway. I guess the cars on the road didn't clue him in?

Perpendicular? How does that work? I can understand parallel, in fact delta has proved that 757s can land on parallel taxiways without a problem!

Speaking of Delta, I'm stuck in Narita for another 4 hour because apparently the incoming flight was struck by lightning and they need to inspect it. I can't decide whether a 3 hour delay seems too long or short for that - what exactly are they checking?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

I just had to post something about the 3 hour delay. It's now more like a 14 hour delay.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

SCOTLAND posted:

Probably crew duty issues. Those duty days can't deal with last minute delays.

That makes sense, the delay is even long enough to use the same crew if they timed out.

I liked the passenger complains in the skyclub.
"What you don't have a spare plane?!"
"I've flown between Taipei and Japan 30 times and this has never happened before!"

Agent: "Its delayed until 7am"
Passenger: "you mean the flight is cancelled"

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

AWSEFT posted:

REDNK in Texas anyone?

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Edit to avoid multiple postings
This guy has no idea what he is doing.

"Police said they found approximately $200-$300 worth of damage to the aircraft, including oxygen masks pulled down and inflated life vests"

Seems pretty hard to only deal $200 of damage to an aircraft.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Captain Apollo posted:

PS now is the time to buy an airplane, before their values go up significantly because of the returning market, I hope.

This looks like something one says before a series of terrible decisions.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Tide posted:

It could be argued that "I think I'll be/become a pilot" was the lynch pin that started it all

Bad decisions perhaps, but actually buying a plane raises that to terrible.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Yes however I realize that maybe not being eligible for a third class medical is actually a good thing at least financially...

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PT6A posted:

People on CNN, Miles O'Brien excepted, are loving retarded. When discussing Harrison Ford's forced landing:

"An engine out in a single-engine plane... is this something you train for?"

Yes, probably more than any other abnormal situation... do some research, guys.

The viewers don't know that so the question is a setup to explain that to them.

Or, since its CNN, they probably left out the explanation part.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

azflyboy posted:

The accident aircraft was built in 1987, and since the photos of the damage look like there may be damage to the main wing spar (in addition to the fuselage possibly being bent from sitting on the seawall, and having to completely replace the left wing), there's a very good chance Delta will just scrap the airframe. American and Allegiant are the only other airlines still running the MD-80 series in the US, and seeing as American is slated to retire their MD-80's by 2018 due to age and fuel costs (Allegiant only uses the MD-80 because they're stupidly cheap used), I can't imagine Delta would spend the money to repair an airplane that's almost 30 years old and isn't terribly fuel efficient.

Fuel economy? Age of air frame? Since when did Delta care about those factors?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Are you looking for 100% correspondence/remote or some time on campus? And which state can you claim residency in?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

He's looking at a BSIT there which does have a programming concentration but only looks to have a data structures course as far as theory of computation goes. That will be looked down on by employers when you are trying to get your first programming job.

If you want to do server administration stuff check out if those classes include the certs.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Is there any reason for which side on a DC-9 derivative has 3 seats or do airlines flip a coin when they get them? Like delta's MD-88s are 3-2, and the 717s and I think MD-90s are 2-3.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Regional airlines whining that they can't find any FOs with an ATP that will take a salary of $17k/year

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PT6A posted:

As is my understanding, Canada only requires an ATPL to fly as the captain of a multi-pilot aircraft, not an FO (that can be done with CPL + type rating), and we haven't seen a massive explosion in crashes caused by inexperienced FOs. Whether you will be a competitive applicant for an F/O job with a fresh CPL is another matter entirely, of course.

All of this in response to an incident in which the captain, not the FO, was too busy talking to the FO about cold remedies to fly the drat plane.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Rickety Cricket posted:

Had to turn the TV off when Don Lemon turned to the camera and said "When we return: Just how unsafe are budget carriers? Sure they save you a few bucks, but is it worth your life? We'll look into what kind of training etc do they receive?"

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

I wonder if they ran the same segment about airlines with "Asia" in the name...

Speaking of which, this could have been a larger disaster. (Ok, China Airlines doesn't have Asia in its name...)

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PT6A posted:

Maybe having locking, reinforced cockpit doors that can only be opened from the inside with no emergency backup in case no one on the flight deck can open the door is not the wonderful idea it seemed in the wake of 9/11.

Egypt air 990 - wouldn't have helped

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The Slaughter posted:

Wouldn't have happened if they hadn't gotten rid of flight engineers!

Uh, about that...

Eh its a short article:

quote:

Japan Airlines Flight 350 was a McDonnell Douglas DC-8-61, registered JA8061, on a domestic scheduled passenger flight from Fukuoka, Japan, to Tokyo. The airplane crashed 9 February 1982 on approach to Haneda Airport in Tokyo Bay. Flight 350 was Japan Airlines' first crash of the 1980s.[2]

The crew consisted of 35-year-old Captain Seiji Katagiri (片桐 清二 Katagiri Seiji), 33-year-old First Officer Yoshifumi Ishikawa, and 48-year-old flight engineer Yoshimi Ozaki.[3] The cause of the crash was traced to Katagiri's deliberate engaging of the number 2 and 3 engines' thrust-reversers in flight. The first officer and flight engineer worked to restrain him and regain control. Despite their best efforts, the DC-8's descent could not be completely checked, and it touched down in shallow water 300 meters (980 ft) short of the runway.

Among the 166 passengers and eight crew, 24 died. Following the accident, Katagiri, one of the first people to take a rescue boat, reportedly told rescuers that he was an office worker, to avoid being identified as the captain.[4] Katagiri was later found to be suffering from a mental illness prior to the incident, which resulted in a decision that he was not guilty by reason of insanity.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

I suppose you could call it terrorism but its fundamentally a murder-suicide.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Jealous Cow posted:

Quoted for pedantic assholes everywhere. This is a horrific act of violence beyond the typical scope of a murder-suicide.

9/11 and suicide bombings are murder-suicides as well, its just the name of the crime.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

fordan posted:

Show us on the doll where Senator Schumer touched you.


But if the pilot had 1500 hours someone probably would have noticed he was crazy in that time!

We already have rules & policies that would have potentially prevented this and I think the media is hammering on that so I honestly think we won't see much action beyond the FAA never ever expanding their SSRI trial and the 3rd class medical reform losing congressional pressure.

Yeah, the pilot with 1500 hrs is crazy because he spent money to get to 1500 hours for a job that pays less than he'd make with a CDL.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

ZombieLenin posted:

I thought that once the override switch has been flipped and the door locked down, there was a 20 minute timer on the lock.

From the outside.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

azflyboy posted:

From what I've read, the A320 actually touched down about 1,000 ft before the runway threshold (collapsing the gear somewhere along the line), and then slid for about 2,000ft before coming to a stop on the runway. There was a snowstorm in progress at the time, but the ceiling and visibility were reported as being slightly above the approach minimums, so it'll be interesting to see what the probable cause ends up being.

They were apparently flying a NDB approach in a snowstorm with 1/2SM visibility. That seems insane, but I'm not instrument rated...

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

http://www.fltplan.com/Airport.cgi?CYHZ
Look at the options for runway 5. I guess it could have been the localizer backtrack but the point remains.

The METAR from avherald:
CYHZ 290400Z 34019G54KT 3/4SM R14/5000VP6000FT/D -SN DRSN BKN007 OVC010 M06/M07 A2964 RMK SF7SC1 SLP045
CYHZ 290313Z 35020G26KT 1/2SM R14/3500V4500FT/N SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2963 RMKSN8 SLP040
CYHZ 290300Z CCA 34019G25KT 1/4SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038

They apparently touched down 1100ft short of the runway which is about 1/4 mile. They just barely would have seen the runway.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

AVHerald claims that they were not equipped to do RNAV approaches.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PT6A posted:

Lol at Air Canada initially calling the incident a "hard landing." Yeah, maybe if you landed hard and skidded off the runway. If you touched down short of the runway and ran into poo poo as a result, you crashed. It was a minor crash compared to others, yes, but it's still more than a hard landing.

Their initial release had some great wording too. "We believe AC624 has had a 'runway excursion'."

To be fair the first words from the emergency responders/crew/nav canada could easily have been something that confused them.

Minimum on the approach is 1SM regardless of whether it was the LOC or NDB or RNAV right?

CYHZ 290500Z 33021G27KT 1 1/2SM -SN DRSN BKN013 OVC027 M06/M07 A2968 RMK SC6SC2 /S13/ SLP058
CYHZ 290414Z 34024G33KT 3/4SM R14/P6000FT/U -SN DRSN BKN010 OVC018 M06/M07 A2965 RMK SF7SC1 SLP046
CYHZ 290400Z 34019G54KT 3/4SM R14/5000VP6000FT/D -SN DRSN BKN007 OVC010 M06/M07 A2964 RMK SF7SC1 SLP045
CYHZ 290313Z 35020G26KT 1/2SM R14/3500V4500FT/N SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2963 RMKSN8 SLP040
CYHZ 290300Z CCA 34019G25KT 1/4SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038
CYHZ 290300Z 34019G25KT 1/8SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038
CYHZ 290200Z 35019G27KT 1/4SM R14/2600FT/N +SN VV002 M06/M06 A2962 RMK SN8 /S05/ SLP036
CYHZ 290100Z 35015G21KT 1/2SM R14/3500FT/N SN DRSN VV002 M05/M06 A2962 RMK SN8 /S02/ PRESFR SLP037
CYHZ 290000Z 36016G27KT 3/4SM R14/2800FT/N -SN DRSN VV004 M05/M06 A2959 RMK SN8 /S03 PRESRR SLP028
CYHZ 282338Z 01018G24KT 3/4SM R14/2600VP6000FT/N -SN DRSN VV005 M05/M05 A2958 RMK SN8 PRESFR SLP023
CYHZ 282300Z 36019G26KT 1 1/2SM -SN DRSN OVC007 M04/M05 A2960 RMK SC8 SLP031

hmmm, 5 hours below 1SM of visibility. Also check out the wind, crash occurred at 330Z

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The Ferret King posted:

LOC is 1SM visibility
NDB is 1 1/2SM visibility
RNAV is 1SM for LPV minimum, and 1 1/4SM for LNAV minimum.

LOC or NDB RWY 05:


RNAV Z RWY 05:


Ah nice I only saw the very low resolution preview.

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The Ferret King posted:

The hole wasn't on a critical lifting surface. I imagine the plane flew fairly controllably.

More importantly it didn't sever a hydraulic line. JAL123 flew around for quite some time without its entire empennage.

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