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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

howe_sam posted:

Expecting to Fly is answering all sorts of questions, like why Old Knotty wears an eyepatch.

John Allison's magnum opus.

Seriously, I'm really digging how he's bringing back all these old characters now that's he's improved his writing. Ryan's dad was just a bizarre creature in Scarygoround, I'm glad there's some depth to him.

Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Oct 23, 2014

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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Fangz posted:

I think given the resolution of Expecting to Fly, I feel like Tim is just stupid enough to think claiming the blame for someone else is the right and chivalrous thing to do.

Actually, the explanation for everything is very simple.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

team overhead smash posted:

Do you mean Mildred? Mildred clearly is with her dad in a highly educated profession, good house with 'modern' upbringing, etc..

I see Lottie and Shanua as working class, with Shauna being from a poorer former-council estate working class family, but this might be how the terms of what is middle class and working class have changed and are a lot more mutable than they were a few decades ago. To my mind working class = most people, middle class = small business owners and people in specialised well-to-do professions like doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc and upper class = large business owners, nobility, etc.

Class is a lot more ingrained and well defined in British culture. Working class means that you work somewhere that requires your physical exertion, speaking broadly. Middle class encompasses all jobs that where you might have an office or a desk.

I don't think we know what Lottie's mom does, but we've seen her house and her neighbourhood and it doesn't seem like she's working class.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
I felt like the last Bad Machinery case wasn't so polished so I haven't read Allison in a while.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Captain Bravo posted:

I can never keep track of it, but isn't there like an undercurrent of the British class thing, and Lottie is on top? Or something like that? Maybe she's finally letting that go to her head?

Lottie is not literal nobility, no.

Tim vs Lottie would be a level playing field, except this is the John Allison so the teenage girl is an almighty god of emasculation and sass.

For the British class struggle, please refer to Shelley's old boyfriend Bruno and the bobbins casts' reaction to him.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Captain Oblivious posted:

In this case, I think it's more of a Lottie thing specifically. As others have noted, she's been kind of a dick for a while now.

I think Lottie is maybe a little cagey after seeing Shauna inexplicably (To Lottie) abandon her life for Blossom. If you really want a class struggle, maybe it's how Lottie just seems to do and say stuff and never worry about the consequences, and Shauna never can.


Something I notice rereading The Missing Piece is how much Lottie gets left alone, by everybody. And it's not really because they think she's being lovely, but they're just too busy with their own lives to stay with her. Shauna is constantly dropping Lottie to go after Blossom, or Daz, or her bio dad. She asks Linton for some party cups and Linton runs to Little Claire. At the Finsters' wedding she ends up in the children's conga line because even Mildred is busy. It's never in the foreground.


Edit: Also Lottie is barely offensive in The Missing Piece. She's astronomically worse in Forked Road.

Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jun 8, 2016

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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Saoshyant posted:

So, let's see if I got this right.

Shauna knows her place.

Lottie looks up to Mildred.

Mildew sometimes looks up to Lottie.

And Shauna knows her place.

Look man these are modern kids and they're being written by a mild-mannered British nerd so just go with your gut feelings. Mildred and Lottie are regular friends, Mildred's parents are just goofy neo-hippies. There's no conflict there. Shauna is obviously from a different background, and there's conflict there.

The bobbins/scarygoround crew is much the same. Shelley and friends work at a magazine, and nobody brings up any family stuff besides Amy being their boss's kid (A truly international concept). But Bruno works at an oil platform, and his presence unbalances the office dynamic. He's working class.

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