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nwin posted:Deal with it. please fill me in on the nasty rumors I hear about them centralizing SKs at area commands
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nwin posted:Haven't heard anything, though I'm not exactly in the loop on most things. That's...interesting though. It's been a persistent and hard to kill rumor for a long time, the idea has made it around the various SKCMs quite a bit, and was at least at the RFMC level last I knew. I had heard from a chief pal of mine that they were piloting it with YNs to see how it would work out. I'm assuming with YNs no one will notice their absence, and people will assume the same about SKs. I predict (if it happens) absolute disaster. The only thing worse than an SK is two of them in the same room. If you remove them from commands you're not gonna get that billet back AND you will no longer have any recourse when they inevitably drop the ball for whatever reason. I'm skeptical of the idea obviously but it's just dumb enough that I believe someone is trying to do it.
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Oct 2, 2014 01:02
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nwin posted:So who's gonna handle the ordering/budget/etc? Just get collateral'ed out? Well, the prevailing theory is that just like before Support Petty Officers, P-Card stuff can be a collateral. The budget is supposed to be in the hands of the XO/XPO in the first place, though not usually the way it is in practice. Property Officer is typically NOT (and shouldn't be) an SK at small commands, they're merely the administrator for Oracle FAMS. Funds Management/Administration can (and probably should in a lot of cases) be done remotely. Large procurement support is usually farmed out to a higher level of command anyway, so that wouldn't change. MILSTRIP stuff can be passed off to the next level of command if necessary, though ALMIS made a lot of that poo poo evaporate anyway. I could sell anyone on the idea. On paper it makes sense. But like anything else when dealing with people and systems, what it is on paper is not what it will be in execution. You ever call the travel center? Imagine that, only when you're out of poo poo-tickets or something is stopping you from getting underway. "The Coast Guard MLCLANT Customer Service Center is currently experiencing an abnormally high number of calls. Your estimated wait time for the next Supply Operator is 293 minutes." Now, multiply your pain times roughly a billion and you've got the average SK3's life at a call center. It's the death-knell of the rating, in my opinion (if it happens). With Audit Readiness being a major mission focus now, the correct solution is actually (unfortunately) more SKs. And to raise the bar for entrance to the rating. Also a change in culture (Coast Guard-wide). Since that'll never, ever, not-even-on-an-infinite-timeline happen... Well, you're all screwed if that does happen. It's cool though. I don't have to deal with uh ... well, that anymore. At least not that way. I still do. Now I get paid overtime, have sick leave, regular leave, comp time, a retirement that counts my mil-time and uh... You know what really is the cherry on the loving top of it all? Come Columbus Day I can celebrate the destruction of the aboriginal Americans for an extra day, and it'll only cost me 8 hours of annual leave instead of some bullshit how I have to take FOUR loving DAYS for an extra day.
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Oct 2, 2014 02:12
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nwin posted:I think we need to civilianize prevention. Actual operations like SAR and LE can stay the same but inspections, waterways, planning...all that stuff needs to go the GS way of life. It's been talked about before. There was a big discussion about it when I was in the M field. The long and short of it is that it's too expensive to do that way, generally. On paper you may save some money, but you don't have the same versatility with General Schedule employees as you do with military people. A military body is super expensive in terms of raw cost, but they don't have bargaining rights or much in the way of labor protections. Not true on the civ-service side. Mr. Nice! posted:But here's the thing, the program will work out wonderfully for the former warrant officer civilians who manage the civilian portion. Their budgets will grow and they will have latched onto the military in another way for eternity. I can't hate on that too much, I rolled right into a good position that way. Different agency with a whole host of other problems, but its a decent enough gig. All I can say is as hosed up as I thought DHS/CG was, DoD/DoN is about a billion times worse off for myriad reasons.
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Oct 3, 2014 04:19
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ElMaligno posted:Hey N41 Fleet Week is going on in San Francisco, there is probably prime grade enlisted male rear end you can jackhammer in here. congrats on not getting someone killed, guardian
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Oct 10, 2014 04:56
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nwin posted:DCO grad passed over You should look at what percentage of people passed over weren't CGA guys if you really want to get depressed.
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Oct 17, 2014 01:17
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nwin posted:Haha yeah-I think 'from enlisted status' was like 33%. Only people I knew with that attitude were CWO4 -> LT. Though I've seen some of those guys make it as far as CDR, but they definitely threw their weight around the whole time and pushed for it. I remember I got curious and looked once and it's loving hilarious how the register of officers looks re: accession point.
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Even having a car there kind of sucks. It's the GTMO quandary. There are things to do, but after you do them once they don't bear repeating. I have friends in the Hampton Roads area so whenever I was there I just crashed at their place. Get a book.
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Oct 24, 2014 04:01
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Elendil004 posted:Go hang out with Grover Didn't you actually do this?
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Your family is retarded and likely has zero reasonable understanding of what it is you put up with. Hell, your wife, who is with you every day probably doesn't really understand beyond "He seems unhappy." Make your own decision, but if you do decide to get out, start networking loving now. Go back to school and throw that accounting degree away. If you want a GS job you can easily walk into one due to being a commissioned officer. Give some consideration to going somewhere that sounds poo poo for a year. You already do that anyway, it could score you a decent 11/12 slot if you play your cards right. quote:Really, unless you're doing it for the money, I see no viable reason to deal with this poo poo. I told you so. Times a thousand. You should have seen this moment on the 210. The M World is different, but only just. Long hours, same salary, no incentive. No overtime, no real comp-time, no merit (cash) bonuses, no [real] early promotions. Get the gently caress out, dude. The retirement isn't worth it since odds are you'll never get past O-4. With your experience you could probably hit GS13 in a few years, buy back your service time, and get away with a much higher retirement than you could realistically expect from the mil. Or you could go private sector and possibly make more. If you're that hung up on the retirement I guess stay in the reserves, but don't stay active. e: I loving told you so, man.
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Nov 5, 2014 02:13
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nwin posted:Nah, good points on all. I'm sure you did say those things, but I had to give it a shot. The grass is always greener. PM me. I got some tips.
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ElMaligno posted:Yes but id be that weirdo as gently caress warrant that doesn't give a gently caress of what people think of him. I'm gonna be honest with you here for a sec, and I'm not even really trying to be mean. If that's the person you want to be, more power to you, but working for people like that is usually loving terrible. At the very best super awkward.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:37
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ElMaligno posted:I MADE THE loving CUT I WILL BE PINNED OS2 ON THE FIRST WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I've been out two years, but since when do you find out you made the cut and two weeks later pick it up?
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Nov 18, 2014 04:31
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ElMaligno posted:My OSC called me and let me know to be in trops at Coast Guard island on December 1 because i'm getting advanced. How long have you been on the list? Are you waiting on the November 2013 list, or May 2014? I'm not saying you shouldn't believe him, but May's cuts just came out (well, in September) and they shouldn't be advancing off that SWE until January anyway. The advancement message for December isn't even out, as far as I know. I could be wrong, maybe they changed the day since I got out. Either way, congrats. Sounds like your OSC is getting word from a friend if that message isn't out.
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Nov 18, 2014 04:58
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nwin posted:Cool-congrats! Enjoy the pay bump. Are they going to transfer you out now? Post-advancement transfers in an austere environment? Dude that stopped happening when the CG budget was still high. AN/SN/FN to PO3, PO1 to CPO, and PO1/CPO to CWO were the only non-officer-smoke-and-mirrors guaranteed transfers even before the budget went to poo poo. Hell, 5 of the last 7 years I was in, I was filling a billet a paygrade (or two!) higher than what was on the PAL. Didn't stop PPC and HQ bitching about it, but they also weren't willing to either reprogram the billet or move me out to fix it.
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It's really cool to get e-mails about being a PAL mismatch where people talk to you, and about you as if advancing is somehow wrong. Then telling you to fix it (I can't) and that if I can't it should go to HQ/PPC. That's the kind of poo poo that made me leave. Where I'm at now is lightyears behind in terms of accountability and systems, but at least they can legitimately blame poo poo on not having the right/good systems. The Coast Guard has great systems. Scoff as you might, everywhere else in the public sector is probably much worse off. The Coast Guard's problem is that it knows what is wrong and won't do anything to fix it. The Navy's problem is that it legitimately has no idea what's actually wrong.
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Nov 21, 2014 00:48
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nwin posted:Haha I just checked the bah tables-it's down about $150 for me next year. Normally that wouldn't be a problem since you stay grandfathered in, but since I'm promoting next December, I bump up to o-3e bah, which will still be $80 less than im making right now. Welp. I think you used to be able to request BAH protection in that case. No idea if that still exists. By the way I'm still planning on sending you what you had asked for. Also I thought with the M-world there was always a huge concern about industry interference if you didn't move people relatively frequently? I remember that was definitely a thing that was brought up about ITB/Steam boats in Minnesota constantly.
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Dec 23, 2014 01:19
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nwin posted:Hmm, I'll have to check with the YN's about that-never even knew it was an option. Check the Pay Policies & Procedures manual which should be on PPC's website. I wouldn't ask the yeomen until you review the policy yourself as they're unlikely to look up what the policy actually says and will just tell you no, as is the typical yeoman response. I have no idea what it says about your situation, but I know what it was designed to do, which is to protect people from losing money in the same geographical region or if they're geo-bachelor. I also know that it's pretty rarely invoked, probably because most people don't know it exists.
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Melthir posted:So how long before yn's go away. All the yn's at my station seem to do is screw up the ne guys pay. Hail peoplesoft. Too long. They serve no purpose at this point. The lovely thing is that if they close that rating down they'll try to merge it back into SK which is a bad idea.
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Effort post: TL;DR the guy is probably full of poo poo, or at least not being honest about actual motivations.nwin posted:ADM Z was here today...I like him more than Papp. That'd be interesting to see. I also don't believe it'll happen. The only times I ever saw reduction in ops was during austerity/contingency ops. Maybe there's some hope for those of you still in, though. FY16 budget submissions will be coming soon, so look for this change in mentality there. It'll probably be conspicuously absent. quote:2) He doesn't want BM's going for OIC review boards to stress about SK/budget stuff, the board should focus on operational items. With that, he said our Core Accounting System is antiquated and too many people have access to it. He wants to get a new system and limit the amount of people that have it and centralize location of SK's (didn't you mention this earlier, KK?) This is some high level pandering to low-level leadership and deck-plate retards that don't understand what the "problem" is. The drive for Audit Readiness and an unqualified opinion from an audit group isn't going to suddenly disappear and relieve boatswain's mates from accountability issues. It may dislocate the problem, and more than likely make life even harder for them in normal ops. No argument re: CAS, but I would say that terrible as it may be it's infinitely better than what I use for my job now, so these folks may want to chew on that before they just ditch that system. As far as the centralization concept rearing its ugly head again, I'm gonna laugh when it blows up in everyone's face. The absolute worst thing you can do with SKs is take them out of the field. My independent duty tours were my best, and the places where I felt like I accomplished the most. I was not far removed from the people I worked with or the logistical needs I supported. I was familiar with the platforms, and was willing to qual as necessary to augment the duty section. That's not every SK's attitude, and I recognize that, but HQ enabled that attitude by strictly defining what would be expected of Support Petty Officers. Basically what I'm getting at is imagine CSD/PSC how they currently are when you need something done with CGDN/Travel and that's what you're going to get from centralizing SKs. There are ways to make it easier to deal with it, but you can't make people care that are thousands of miles away. Sorry guys, I can't help but write about this because it's what I did, and to some extent what I still do professionally as a civilian. This, "I don't want my BMs to stress about SK/Budget stuff" mentality just signals to me that OICs are still going to be treated as second-rate commands and that the HQ attitude toward them is basically "Well shucks, those enlisted people just can't handle that gosh-darned complicated management of their own money." This only validates my decision to leave even more, centralization will either ruin the SK rating, or condemn it to consolidation with YN. Either way that's a net negative for the fleet. This is the opposite direction than the one the Coast Guard should be taking on the subject. Too bad for you guys, I guess. quote:3) He's having OPM/EPM look at more units where tours can be extended. He wants this for three reasons: 1) less hardship on families moving around 2) more technical expertise benefitting the unit (ex: you get trained as a tactical coxswain, so the unit gets an extra year out of you 3) money. This change is and always will be about money first and foremost. No one at the top actually cares about 1, number 2 is tangential and unproven, and to aim for 2 you have to acknowledge that sometimes you just end up with a dirtbag longer, and 3, again, is the priority. The Surf and HWX stations would be the chief beneficiaries here. quote:1 and 2 surprised me, as I figured this guy was going to go along with 'doing more with less', but he seems to be quite a bit different than what I remember from Papp, which is a great thing in my opinion. Granted, he could just be giving people the company line, but he's a hell of a lot more personable than Papp was...though maybe that's just because he was this old dude with no hair anywhere which kinda weirded me out. I appreciated Papp for being honest. I'm cynical, but I'm not jaded anymore. I've heard all these same promises from Loy, to Collins, to Allen, to Papp. The only one that accomplished the important poo poo he was after was Papp, and they were changes just about nobody liked. You want your proof? Read the FY16 request. If you don't see serious movement to drop mission requirements or optempo, do not believe what's being peddled.
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ElMaligno posted:All ITs i know are a bunch of nerds that have wives and kids. Its kinda sad really. I just saw that. Of all the things to go after, SFO Grand Haven? Probably a disgruntled mariner that missed his TWIC renewal appointment.
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Feb 8, 2015 20:07
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Feb 16, 2015 20:39
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nwin posted:yep. Basically there are two types of test given now. Hahahahahaha.
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every sailboat owner ever posted:We’ve never done anything like this. Dad’s not even a sailor, but he’s a quick study,” said Jason McGlashan in an interview with the Newport Daily News in early February. “We’ve got plenty of food, plenty of booze, good sails and all the safety gear you could ever need, so we’re going to be OK. lmao what a bunch of idiots
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You guys funded through February, or what? When the debt ceiling bullshit was going on I seem to remember them basically waiting until last minute because nobody from the top down thought it was going to happen. Same with the shut down that ended up happening.
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Feb 21, 2015 04:06
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nwin posted:See a recruiter. And keep trying, since you're bound to get shot down a couple times. A knee injury and bad credit on their own aren't necessarily enough to keep you out, and maybe enlisting with a degree would make up for that. You need to remember though that the people you're competing with are going to be idiots enlisting with Master's degrees who are in perfect health AND haven't ruined their credit.
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ElMaligno posted:Rise from the dead you miserable thread. you had to lose 20 lbs to get under your max??
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I was just asking calm down
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Apr 18, 2015 19:13
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nwin posted:yeah, that's what I'm wondering...How much is this bullshit going to cost me? I know the dinner, but that's it. hey man sorry for this incoming truthbomb: if you let a loving chief step on your commission that is entirely your loving fault
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Apr 26, 2015 16:47
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nwin posted:I could honestly give two shits about it, it's not like we weren't going to help him out for the start of CCTI since we're a part of it. I'll take it pm bud
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ElMaligno posted:well yeah, but those money happy wasting days are over but OS3/FS3 have really high attrition rates and we are bleeding more E4s then we can train. A lovely carrot in a stick is better than no carrot in a stick. I dunno man, it doesn't work out to being much after taxes. You'd make better money by getting out and doing contract work or going full-on civil service.
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nwin posted:Has the Coast Guard Enlisted Association always been a thing? Yes. quote:Maybe it's just the Sector life? YN's trying to feel a part of something? Yes. quote:...but I don't get the purpose of the CGEA. Yes. quote:On a disgruntled note, I was just going to buy all of my guys leaving oars (because apparently people at Sectors have deemed it necessary to go above just buying a loving plaque and now want to spend $100 or whatever it is on an oar for everyone), but my Chief said he wanted to do something unique, so I said 'alright, go for it-as long as everyone gets something.' e: gonna take my response to this to PM
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nwin posted:haha, well I'm glad my initial thoughts on the CGEA were correct. Occasionally I would see the CPOA work together with CGEA... when CPOA didn't want to do it, but had to be involved to look good.
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nwin posted:On a separate note, there's a CAMI at my unit that was a reservist enlisted and just got picked up for SRDC a bit ago. He just found out his drill unit is going to be PSU and now he's freaking out about getting deployed. All I could say was 'welp, at least you'll be getting paid better than a GS9 for a bit...enjoy sand I guess.' GS-9 salary isn't very good, so that's not that hard to top.
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The old WPG-32 had MK 44 torpedoes when it was decommed, so it's possible someone got confused between the two weapons, and the two Campbells.
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Elendil004 posted:Oh for some dumb reason I was thinking the cook at the station, herp derp. I imagine they'll still have him die but probably won't show the gruesome death. Doesn't need to be gory, but I hope they make the choice to show it, since that is a real thing that happens.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:oh i disagree Disney movie, dude. They won't even show a bloody nose.
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Melthir posted:What the gently caress is up with these god drat nonrates with anthropology degrees that some how think the college makes them special. I just had one ask me not to call him a dude because he identified as gender neutral. lmao
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