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Been quite a few years since Tomino has directed anything, and over a decade since his last tv series. Following a Tomino show weekly for the first time ever is gonna be a neat ride.
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Considering all the pics and gifs shown so far (especially that eyecatch!) I feel like it's gonna be the light-hearted, whimsical sort of Tomino show.
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Oct 2, 2014 14:41
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mr. stefan posted:I'm not betting on a Classic Tomino Murderfest but keep in mind that Ideon doesn't look all that dark either if you just go by character designs. The first episode had that pre-airing awhile back and there are pics and gifs from it so that's what I'm mainly working from, not the character designs. Meanwhile, there's a fair amount of death in that first Ideon episode!
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Oct 2, 2014 15:08
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Delusibeta posted:Interestingly, they're *not* using Wakanim, but rather Vimeo on Demand. 48 American dollars (~£30) up front for HD downloads of the whole season, first episode is free (and up now). Good news: no time limit on the downloads, and it's straight cash, none of this "credits" bullshit. [Edit] Free(er) streams are planned on other platforms (this probably means Netflix, but currently TBC). Should be noted that the first episode on this site appears to be region-free (or at the very least not limited to the UK), I'm in the US and can watch it just fine.
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Oct 2, 2014 22:36
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There are a few nods to Turn A and other stuff in that first episode but the good news is, if you've never seen any of them then you don't have to worry because they're not important references or anything. The few things from Gundam stuff that actually matter are briefly explained. As for that first episode itself, it's definitely a Tomino show! The odd Tominoisms in the dialogue are gonna be a love it or hate it thing with a lot of people, but I'm down with it. I wouldn't say it's exactly like King Gainer but the trailers certainly weren't lying, the show is light-hearted, colorful, and a little bit whimsical. People bring up the Tomino shows where most of the cast die but a lot of folks forget that he can do a drat good job with his shows that don't end with a lot of death. Srice fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 22:55
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XboxPants posted:Uh, what kind of wizard secret did you end up doing to get it working in the US? Still says "not in your region, chump" for me. The SD version on that UK site was accidentally region-free, and now it's not.
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Oct 3, 2014 02:23
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I think it's pretty okay for a girl or anyone to break down crying when someone they care about dies in front of them In fact it would be kinda weird if she had no reaction to that!
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Oct 3, 2014 04:00
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My money's on the OP animation being unfinished since parts of the show look a little rough around the edges (though it definitely feels like they're going with an older style with some of the direction). But heck, I feel that roughness helps out a little bit with its charm.
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Oct 3, 2014 04:03
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In a gigantic twist, the entire cast started to cry about the rabbit ears.Neddy Seagoon posted:I agree it's stupid, but I think it's meant to be a matter of pride and show how stupid they are. "We are here, that should be good enough to keep those filthy pirates/assassins/thieves at bay I guess to give them a little credit it sounded like the Capital Army is a recent development; some of the cast didn't even know what it was. That and the first episode made it sound like it's pretty rare for non-military to have their own mobile suits.
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Oct 3, 2014 04:07
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Oct 3, 2014 04:21
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The Devil Tesla posted:For real, it's not like they had time to explain it with the pace they're moving. Heck, I wouldn't want to watch a Tomino show where they stop the action to infodump about the setting this early on. I feel like it's gonna be like a lot of Tomino shows; we're straight up thrown into the setting without a guide and the plot's not really going to start proper until we get time to get our bearings. But I dig that style. It's fun to figure out the setting's deets through context and via conversations that aren't purely for the benefit of the audience instead of stilted, dull infodumps. It's like I'm skydiving, I don't want to pull out the parachute right away! That would be boring!
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Oct 3, 2014 04:34
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I'm mainly thinking of Tomino's non-Gundam stuff in that regard. Like to name a few examples, it takes a little while for Xabungle to tell you about the Three Day Law and it's something the characters just talk about naturally. Plus it takes awhile before you really get a sense for what the actual conflict even is. Or Overman King Gainer where we're just as confused as the protagonist in those opening episodes but hey that first episode ended with their town on wheels so that's cool even if we don't really know much about what's happening. Stuff like that basically. Those shows are fine examples of shows that throw the viewer into the setting and they leave them to fend for themselves for awhile! (And they both rule hard)
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Oct 3, 2014 04:46
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Eiba posted:What exposition do you need? It's pirates. They've got a space elevator that's actually magic and not a space elevator, so they've got a pirate problem. And they're wary of Ameria so they think it might be them that's responsible for these pirates. Plus we know the pirates are probably not ordinary pirates because it's implied that mobile suits aren't exactly common outside of the military. There's a lot of small stuff to go on that can fill some of the blanks so far. The tidbits are enough to get me by, especially since at this point in time I'm more concerted about the characters and so far I'm fine with that aspect. Also yeah, seconding that the reveal with Bellri's mother was neat. Nice twist on expectations there!
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Oct 3, 2014 05:14
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Caros posted:You know, I've never actually watched Turn A apart from a few snippets. I had a friend who is really into Gundam who shares the same opinion on 99% of series (we only really disagree a little bit on wing) who couldn't stand it and because I hate the art aesthetics I never bothered. It's offputting to a lot of people because the beginning is slow as all hell (there are zero giant robots in that first episode!) but heck, it rules and there's really nothing out there like it. I wonder how it even got made though I guess the most reasonable theory I can come up with is that after cancelling Gundam X they decided to give Tomino carte blanche for the next Gundam project. Srice fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Oct 3, 2014 05:25
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Dang those AGE writeups weren't enjoyable to read but I feel like with Turn A there can be a lot of discussion. In batches, at least. As much as the episode where they use the Gundam to move a cow owns, it's not something most people can write a lot of words about!
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Oct 3, 2014 05:29
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ImpAtom posted:I'm not really seeing the bad part here? I mean, yes, she is crying because the guy she seemed to have a huge respect for got straight-up killed. Yeah I really don't get that complaint either! I mean heck, sure there are a lot of weird and unnatural reactions in the first two episodes but that's not one of them at all.
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Oct 3, 2014 06:25
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Caros posted:I think his complaint is that 3/3 episodes of G-reco have involved women crying about something. Not exactly a stellar fact considering how gundam treats women. And the crying in episode 2 was legit a reason as you can possibly get and we don't even know what she's crying about in the unaired episode. It *is* really silly to see a shot of a woman crying without any context in an episode preview and to immediately assume it's for a dumb reason! Srice fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Oct 3, 2014 06:51
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Broken Loose posted:As I said before, the show is presenting a consistent troublesome tone, to the point where the context of those depictions is becoming secondary to the consistency. Holy lol. Did you not stop and read the words you typed at any point Sharkopath posted:I'm glad that as a forum we've evolved from the Car Analogy to the much more lucrative Rape Analogy market, however. Same SAME Srice fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Oct 3, 2014 07:01
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Broken Loose posted:I don't know what's funnier: How I was proven wrong about the camera issue (because Bell's psychic), or how everybody else was proven wrong that the bunny ears were still a bad idea (because that's how the G-Self got nabbed). Show us on the doll where the bunny ears touched you.
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Oct 3, 2014 15:06
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Sharkopath posted:I like a lot of the background character animation, like Monday messing around with the pompoms while they talk about spacepope, and that girl who ran into the room too fast and bumped her head against the wall. Yeah while some of the animation has been rough at spots, it really makes up for it with all the nice little details like that. It really goes well with how colorful the show is.
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Oct 3, 2014 15:16
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W.T. Fits posted:Echoing this; is there any way to watch this in the US that doesn't involve Since the UK and Australia already have streams and there's no NA option, people are guessing that they're saving it for an announcement at New York Comic Con next week because hey isn't it *more* exciting to hear news about a stream at a press release a few weeks after the show starts instead of reading a boring announcement online before the show even airs!? (Of course not but some anime companies genuinely think that!) So basically, that's the answer people in the US are giving to this 
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Oct 3, 2014 17:01
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or some other arcane internet shenanigans that I'm clueless about? As much as I'm enjoying watching Broken Loose go into hysterics about women crying and MS design decisions, I'd actually kind of like to see the episodes myself so I can have some context for this entire derail.
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A lot of Gundam fans are also feeling alienated by it too, it's not just folks who haven't seen anything Gundam before. And heck, Tomino went as far as to say that Gundam fans would not enjoy the show  (Though as a dude who generally enjoys Tomino's directing, I am loving it) There were some really good posts earlier in the thread about what's going on in the show. There are a lot of little details that are easy to overlook due to the frantic pace but they reveal quite a bit of info.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:30
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Sharkopath posted:Tomino likes dropping into a story without much exposition and just letting it play out until you understand the world by the end. Personally I prefer that method, where the characters dont expound on things for the benefit of the audience, but when it would make sense for them to be discussing it internally. Yeah exactly. I dig it because most of the time the characters are speaking for their own benefit and not for the benefit of the audience. Which kinda feels rare in anime these days! WickedHate posted:That specific instance wasn't being hysterical, and if it was that one time it wouldn't matter(though she still had to lose the Gundam to the Proper Man Protagonist). And that other time she cried is as legit a reason to cry as it gets.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:38
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WickedHate posted:You realize this is not a historical log of things that actually happened? People consciously assembled these events and the situations to make these characters act this way. Y....yes? They consciously decided to show a character crying when a person they cared about died in front of them. I'm not seeing a problem with that? It's not exactly like that's an uncommon sort of thing to write! Context is important. Heck the previous page gave examples of dudes in Gundam shows crying over the very same thing.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:47
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Sharkopath posted:There's also the idea that the Capital Guard and Army are separate institutions, one civilian and very unprofessional, and it shares that concept with Turn A Gundam. Another thing shared with Turn A Gundam is that Ameria is also a country name in Turn A Gundam. Considering the time difference between the two settings I'm sure it's just a neat little nod towards Turn A rather than something that's going to come up as a direct link between the two, but that's cool nonetheless.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:50
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Sharkopath posted:Ultimate Hail Mary Conjecture: It's a direct prequel to Turn A and in the final scene the bunny ears slide down to become a mustache and the moonlight butterfly gets activated, smashcut to black. I think I'd enjoy it if they did it in a way that doesn't wink at the audience about it. Maybe just implying that the crazy tech for the Turn A is being worked on and leaving it up in the air as to what that could mean. WickedHate posted:I'm just saying, crying three episodes in a row, plus the other stuff, is pretty suspect. We don't even know the context for what's going on in next week's episode.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:59
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Sharkopath posted:Or maybe the feminist angle is just something that becomes more prominent as the story develops. Yeah there are some Tomino shows with some well written women in it. And a lot of those examples weren't fleshed out in the very first episode too. I'm down with giving him the benefit of the doubt since when he does it right it's certainly better than most anime these days. If something happens that makes me change my mind, then ah well, 'least he tried.
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Oct 3, 2014 19:08
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muike posted:it would have been pretty funny if she had bailed in a particularly egregious way, to be honest People trying to jump over water but failing is always funny, man or woman.
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Oct 3, 2014 19:16
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everythingWasBees posted:I think they're treating it more as shock from the lack of oxygen and the whole thing, than as straight up permanent brain damage. Kinda reminds me of a more extreme case of what Amuro's dad had. Better hope she stays away from stairs!
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Oct 3, 2014 21:26
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Tomino's old and might as well have been retired before this. I feel like it's a safe bet that most of the stuff in this show is happening on his terms.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:48
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Kanos posted:It's because the show literally just started and people are leaping all over themselves to draw conclusions about the characters as a whole based on attempting to pick specific scenes out of context to prove points about how misogynist the show is. It's like there's some loving competition about who can be the most offended about how regressive and disgusting the show is instead of actually giving the characters any time to see if they actually are what people think they are. It's like reading the first chapter of a book, seeing the word "bitch" used, and throwing the book into a fire because it's hateful anti-woman trash. These are some very good points that people should read because heck, when the first season of Build Fighters aired the idol character that Kanos is talking about was pretty reviled initially and there were some similar arguments going on in that thread (though not quite as heated as in here, yeesh).
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Oct 4, 2014 01:02
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Potsticker posted:What are the positives you see so far in the show? I really like the way Tomino shows usually open and this one is no exception. I'm thrown into a strange, colorful setting without my hand being held and I'm loving every minute of it. I like that nothing is being explained yet and I gotta learn things via context. People mention that there are stylistic choices akin to 80s anime and I feel like another similarity is that most of the first act is going to let the viewers become familiar with the cast and the basic details of the conflict before it really takes off, much like a lot of mecha shows of yore. Potsticker posted:Why do you think some of the complaints will become obsolete? Just like Kanos said, the situation can certainly improve as we get to know the characters. Tomino can be weird with women, he either does a great job or a poor job and it feels like he rarely does anything inbetween! So I'm not sure how it will wind up but the last few things he did (that were admittedly quite some time ago) handled them pretty well. Potsticker posted:What is there to look forward to? See the first answer, also Tomino shows can take awhile to get going but once they pick up momentum I really enjoy them. He's drat good at delivering a satisfying ending and I don't think it will be any different here. Srice fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Oct 4, 2014 01:53
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sunburnedcrow posted:I just finished the first two episodes and I kinda like it. The only reservation I have is Monday, otherwise, the colourful visuals and general happy atmosphere are enough to keep me on board. But this being a Tomino show, the ending may end up to be like Zambot 3, and I really hope it doesn't happen. Tomino has also made a fair amount of shows that don't end in a lot of death. Considering the tone here I'd be really surprised if that were the case.
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Oct 5, 2014 05:07
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Kanos posted:There hasn't been a kill em all Tomino show in 20 years(V Gundam), dudes. He's made much, much happier stuff since then. And heck, even during that phase he still had plenty of upbeat stuff. It's just easier to note the ones that do end with everyone dying!
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Oct 5, 2014 05:41
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Everyone dies eventually.
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Oct 6, 2014 01:46
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Kingtheninja posted:Sorry for missing this (probably) but is it on gundaminfo or CR yet? Not yet. It's theorized that they're making an announcement at NYCC later this week but that means unless you're in the UK or Australia you're gonna have to resort to piracy to get it. Delayed streaming announcements sure are cool and not dumb at all.
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Oct 8, 2014 21:43
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Random animal shots are a Tomino staple and it's a p cool way to do an establishing shot. Heck, ep 2 even had one.
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Oct 10, 2014 01:13
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Kanos posted:I could not get enough of the Montero loving with the wildlife by flying at low altitude. It was the best. Heck, this episode had a lot of hilarious moments. My faveorite was Bell's casual butt-grab that lasted too long.
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Oct 10, 2014 02:10
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Liveposting a show that's so frantic that you can miss out on a lot if you're not paying close attention doesn't seem like the best idea! (Also the pooping scene at the end actually owned)
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MrLonghair posted:The detail to the clip on the platform was a masterful touch, just that it was animated and included, normally it would have been scratched out and made a stiff stale experience. These are some of the most "living" characters I have seen for dog knows how long in anime. Tomino you beautiful bastard, I should read your books. This is a thing I really love about the goofier Tomino shows and I'm glad it's out in full force here. There's always so much life to it, even if they gotta make it look a little janky to do so!
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