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Crusty Nutsack posted:jesus christ gently caress you Sorkin It's extremely unrealistic that an aging old man that is unhappy with his career and under a lot of stress would have a heart attack I know, but this is Hollywood and I'm personally willing to let such fantasies slide for the greater good of telling a gripping story.
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Dec 8, 2014 07:20
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Foo posted:Jesus. Now Don is literally the worst. The law exists in society for a reason. When you try to bypass laws because it didn't work out for you in a way that makes you happy or even didn't work properly at all, that is vigilantism. This episode was 100% on point. While she wanted to just talk about her experience, which is absolutely fine and within her rights, she was making a Name and Shame website without any oversite. That is not a moral gray area, that is repugnant. somethingawful bf fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 07:29
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I personally thought that whole exchange between Don and the rape victim was very human, and more honest then any other TV show would have depicted it.
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Dec 8, 2014 07:35
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Foo posted:lol women lie about getting raped all of the time Women get raped more often then women lie about getting raped. That being said, there are women who lie about getting raped. It sucks, and it's terrible, but it does happen.
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Dec 8, 2014 07:49
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Caseman posted:The whole rape subplot just seemed like an excuse for Sorkin to shove that topic onto the show without having to actually tackle the subject in any sort of real manner. I agree that the exchange between the actors was exceptional, but it ultimately felt empty. I actually thought it very topical and relevant to modern day internet activism and reporting. A perfect example is the Rolling Stone rape case that was just in the news recently. No fact checking, no vetting, internet vigilantism. It's amazing that this episode was probably filmed many months ago, while the Rolling Stone rape case was just found out to be a bunch of BS a couple days ago.
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Dec 8, 2014 07:55
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Foo posted:Don stalking a rape victim to her dorm, then insulting her by expressing concern that she might accuse him of rape, and then telling her it's a shame she can't get justice but she and other victims should just shut the gently caress up and get off the internet was just plain misogynistic writing, especially in this highly charged climate where universities are increasingly failing to bring justice to rape victims on college campuses, where rapists are protected, and it has been women activists who have been bringing attention to this issue. Yes, yes now you are getting it. Don is a stalker in this episode. Aaron works in layers. He was trying to, rather obviously I must say, convey this entire episode how easy it is for a vigilante to stalk down a person, either using the newest internet gadgets like facebook or ACN human flesh tracker, or the old school way, like being a true gumshoe working all the angles to find a person you are looking for. The whole point of this episode was about taking the law into your own hands, and the repercussions of that. It's easy enough to find somebody when you are willing to put in effort, let alone when you make a Name and Shame website with no oversite or vetting. There would be nothing to stop a guy who is mad in COD from making a rape post pretending to be a girl in the type of site she was going to make. That was the entire point of that episode. Laws exist for a reason in society.
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Dec 8, 2014 08:32
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Foo posted:Except the law is failing rape victims. And he (Aaron Sorkin) seems to be content with that. But instead of having an honest conversation about how the law and society makes rape nearly impossible to be prosecuted, it becomes instead a fatuous discussion about lol women can be lying bitches on the internet amirite? Here's the message: Just shut up and wait for the law (not) to help you. Shut up and move on. SHUT UP. How better encapsulated was this message when Don made the decision for her when he told Charlie he couldn't find her, even though she wanted to go on the show? For victims, the internet can be a place in which they, WOMEN, can construct SAFE spaces for themselves and other WOMEN to talk honestly about their experiences. BECAUSE THE LAW HAS FAILED THEM. But this scares men. Privileged men. Like Aaron Sorkin. Actually, it's reality that makes rape claims nearly impossible to prosecute in a legal sense, not the law. It is almost always a his vs her word. There isn't a huge male conspiracy to rape women in society and keep it under wraps. No normal person would be ok with that. It's the fact that there are often times no way to prove it, and you should always presume innocence until proven guilty in a court of law, otherwise you are resorting to at least mental vigilantism where you automatically assume the male is a rapist and all women are perfect people without motivations to lie and are somehow perfect creatures that need to always be trusted. What separates this country from shithole countries is the presumption of innocence, and it's for a good reason. Like these guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case Their entire life got hosed because of her claims. It never happened. They are innocent but, in the court of public opinion, they are still rapists because the media didn't really report the fact that it never happened because that isn't newsworthy. A rape that didn't occur isn't worth talking about. Does that take away from actual rape cases that happened? No. But don't get blinded from the facts just because a girl said something happened. Girls can and do lie too you know. Never take anything at face value, no matter how much it tugs at your heartstrings. That whole episode was about how the internet reacted to that lacross case, and Sorkin is right. somethingawful bf fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 08:56
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Foo posted:the fact that women live under the constant threat or danger of being assaulted This isn't a war zone torn Bosnia. "constant threat and danger" lol jesus man, yes that's real life, hahah somethingawful bf fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 09:38
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My GF can't even go to the Pottery Barn without being under constant threat of danger or assault, yeah, that's absolutely reality. Duck and cover.
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Dec 8, 2014 09:44
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nooneofconsequence posted:Why does that suck more? an innocent person found guilty of a crime they didn't commit is a worse injustice then a guilty person going free for a crime they did commit
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Dec 8, 2014 09:52
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Josh Lyman posted:The 3 defendants in the Duke lacrosse case received $20 million each. Evans got a (presumably) MBA from Wharton in 2012, Finnerty is a stockbroker at Deutsche Bank, and Seligmann is a law clerk. My friend, you have to learn to read. I will bold the relevent words for you. According to author William Cohan, Duke reportedly agreed to pay $60 million to the three accused (with each player receiving $20 million) along with confidential terms and apparent silence provisions attached. I hope that helps you in your reading comprehension and trust of media both private and public
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Dec 8, 2014 09:55
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Foo posted:You do realize that you are trivializin?g women's experiences with sexual assault and the utter pervasiveness of rape in this country That many of us are scared to walk down the street alone? That we buy mace, hold keys between our fingers, and have friends escort us to our car because who knows who might sexually attack you? That we're told to take care of our drinks because we might get roofied and raped (and hence it will be all our fault)? That no one will believe us if we're raped by a date or someone we know because we flirted, showed interest, or have a sexual history with that person? Or how aggressive some men can be when simply walking down the street and that this makes us feel unsafe? Is that what I'm doing, Foo? Am I trivializing women's experiences with sexual assault and the utter pervasiveness of rape in this country? I didn't realize that, no. Thank you for letting me know that you buy mace, hold keys between your fingers, and have friends escort you to your car because who knows who might sexually attack you? That you're told to take care of your drinks because you might get roofied and raped (and hence it will be all your fault)? That no one will believe you if you're raped by a date or someone you know because you flirted, showed interest, or have a sexual history with that person? Or how aggressive some men can be when simply walking down the street and that this makes you feel unsafe? No, Foo, I didn't realize that, thank you for telling me here, in this thread about Newsroom, on the internet. I've a lot to think about now, Foo. In this thread about the tv show Newsroom.
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Dec 8, 2014 10:04
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Josh Lyman posted:And details of confidential settlements never get leaked? A first time lawyer could've gotten them at least $5 million each. Ok man, I'll take your word that is exactly what happened. They are all millionares now, they just had to be called rapists, no big deal, ok.
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Dec 8, 2014 10:06
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I've heard josh layman raped some chicks, NBD if it's false he'll get a few million dollars.
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Dec 8, 2014 10:08
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Josh Lyman posted:At this point, literally 99% of Americans could not tell you what their names are or recognize them. Being called a rapist isn't nothing and I'm sure it was tough for them for a while, but they're free and clear now and yes, many millions of dollars richer. So it's kind of the american dream, just be a white athletic man and get accused of rape, and you have it made for the rest of your life. Sounds like a good plan. You don't even have to worry about rape accusations because it's in a thread. Now imagine if it was on every channel your parents watched. Repeated over and over 24x7 for three weeks. somethingawful bf fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 10:10
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You know that woman that accused those lacross men of rape is in prison for murder. She murdered her boyfriend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Gail_Mangum Maybe he beat her or something and deserved to be murdered? Why wasn't that in the news? somethingawful bf fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 10:15
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Josh Lyman posted:The real question is why Sorkin spends so much time on relationships when that's clearly not his forte. I mean, is he getting a directive from the network or something? He's the showrunner on an HBO show. He could have done ANYTHING he wanted. That was actually disappointing, although expected, I guess.
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Dec 8, 2014 10:19
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Foo posted:In all seriousness, I'm glad you saw an opposing viewpoint in your sheltered little life. If not here, then where else? See, I disagree, because he made some great points about the flaws of the current way of internet journalism, and I don't think any other show would have the balls to criticize twitter in any sense. Other shows would know that it would piss their viewers off and wouldn't allow it to happen. This show is good because it pisses people off
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Dec 8, 2014 10:23
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I wish this show was more bland and agreed with my ideals more so I would like it without thinking.
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Dec 8, 2014 10:29
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Josh Lyman posted:"You're paid $55,000/year. That's almost twice the national average for a family of 4." I personally was so upset at the show that i didn't even watch it or pay attention in the slightest, but it was godawful
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Dec 8, 2014 11:36
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No, median household income is is $52,000. What the gently caress?
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Josh Lyman posted:Yeah, I guess that makes sense, but why wouldn't Charlie just tell them that? I vomited on my keyboard at how disgusting that portrayal of something I didn't even watch was. Apparently though, he was being a white knight for his employees, and, get this, like a cartoon he just up and died for no reason.
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Dec 8, 2014 11:40
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Sub Rosa posted:I will remember this episode as the Bill Cosby episode, because I learned the internet isn't fair to rapists or celebrities so imagine how rough it must be to be a rapist celebrity (but apparently pretty great to be a celebrity rapist). Please call those allegations, because Bill Cosby hasn't been proven guilty, and it's sad that everyone just automatically assumes he is guilty.Do you think Micheal Jackson raped a buncha kids too?
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Dec 8, 2014 11:48
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pentyne posted:Wow, this a supremely awful episode, especially in context of the Rolling Stone rape story. Literally the only thing I liked about it was Ryan flipping his poo poo over Sloan's insubordination and what I thought correctly telling them to get the gently caress out if the Will deliberately disobey management. I thought it was a great episode, personally.
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Dec 8, 2014 12:14
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Olivia Munn acts like an autistic robot in every episode and it's terrible. But besides her, I really enjoyed this show.
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Dec 15, 2014 06:06
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Pudgygiant posted:"It's a website, it doesn't have integrity" fuuuuuuuck you Sorkin That's true though.
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Dec 15, 2014 06:32
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Bown posted:I want to know what BJ Novak's possible answer could have been for what a personalised soft drink is that begins with "it's a millennial-" before Leona cuts him off. "It's a millennial thing. They all want their own personalized existence that is only about them. Like facebook, twitter, it's all about their ideas, and applauding them for those ideas."
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Dec 15, 2014 08:17
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A great show and I'm sad to see it gone.
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Thaddius the Large posted:I decided Newsroom is best viewed via YouTube, when you can pick out a few nice moments to enjoy utterly void of context, because drat that context tends to be terrible. Like most shows it's best when you watch it in its entirety, instead of picking and choosing. Unless you treat TV like religion.
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