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Welcome to a thread for goth music. This is a thread for goth music as disparate a genre that is. Goth music comes from the late 70s punk boom, and is similar to other genres that came out of there, like new wave and post-punk. REQUIRED LISTENING Bauhaus-In the Flat Field The Cure-Boys Don't Cry Joy Division-Unknown Pleasures Sisters of Mercy-First and Last and Always Siouxsie and the Banshees-JuJu Fields of Nephilim-The Nephilim The Birthday Party-The Birthday Party Links: Industrial, or goths who don't like rock White Wolf thread, because if you enjoy goth rock, you probably already play WOD More recommendations for the OP are highly appreciated! Smoking Crow fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Monitor by Siouxie and the Banshee was my favorite song off of Juju. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DI9LoylFqY Although it's it not totally representative. The other songs start off slower and build to a creepier more high pitched sounds like: Night shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbXSiEXqG5Q and SpellBound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTtFjU0T-Y
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:Monitor by Siouxie and the Banshee was my favorite song off of Juju. My secret shame is that I can't get into Souxsie. I don't like her voice and I can't listen to her for too long. I understand her importance, though.
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The label "goth" really applies to a number of things that branched off in different directions starting in the 70's but fracturing even more in the 80's. You've got a lot of the classic goth rock covered in the OP, and I love Bauhaus and Fields of the Nephilim, but I have always been much more into the ethereal branch of the music. Dead Can Dance has been one of my favorite bands forever, they started off more in the traditional post-punk/goth rock vein but quickly got into ethereal and neoclassical music and IMO everything they did in the 80's and early 90's was brilliant. The Serpent's Egg is probably the best starting place for them as it's sort of a balance between the various sounds they experimented with over their career. There is also a lot of good stuff from this period that came from Projekt records, in particular the band started by the label's founder Sam Rosenthal which is called Black Tape for a Blue Girl. Sometime in the early 2000's their lineup changed and they got kind of bad, but their 90's albums, especially Remnants of a Deeper Purity, are really beautiful. Other good Projekt bands would be Ordo Equitum Solis, Love Spirals Downwards, and Arcana Also not quit within the genre but certainly within the realm of overlap (and very much it's own thing) is This Mortal Coil, which was a sort of supergroup involving a bunch of artists on 4AD including Dead Can Dance and Cocteau Twins. It was actually just the 30th anniversary of their debut album. They did three albums (plus a fourth under another name, Hope Blisters, years later) which are mostly very creative covers and also some original ambient pieces, and they are all incredible albums that you can listen to for years and years and still notice new details. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Dead Can Dance is one of my favorite groups, I was just listening to a bunch of their stuff today. For me, I tend to lump a lot of things that aren't necessarily "goth" in with it mainly because of what they'd play at the various spooky clubs I used to hang out at. So, goth, industrial, some synthpop and that sort of thing. It's funny, even though I don't really go there any more (and haven't regularly for around 4 years)this playlist from a few weeks ago has a whole ton of music on it that I easily recognize from when I did. Also, wow I totally forgot about This Mortal Coil and just now learned that they somehow didn't survive my transition to digital music however long ago that was. Time to rectify that!
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I'm not huge on goth music, but I enjoy me some Sisters of Mercy every now and then. The reason I'm posting here is I just stumbled upon this thread and figured someone here might appreciate this band I was introduced to a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cao-OIzzAgg Pretty obvious Sisters worship there but I don't mind, they have fun catchy songs.
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a kitten posted:Dead Can Dance is one of my favorite groups, I was just listening to a bunch of their stuff today. I need some help getting into Dead Can Dance. Tried the most recent album, gave it several listens, didn't really get anywhere with it in the end other than the first couple of tracks  A load of my friends love them, so maybe I just need to start elsewhere?My favourite song off JuJu is definitely Arabian Knights. My listening of purely gothy/post-punk stuff is limited to the obvious stuff like Bauhaus/The Cure/Fields of the Nephilhim/The Sisters of Mercy. I would have put Pornography as the essential goth album by The Cure in the OP.
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nomapple posted:I need some help getting into Dead Can Dance. Tried the most recent album, gave it several listens, didn't really get anywhere with it in the end other than the first couple of tracks The new record is a bit poo poo. Start with Within the Realm of a Dying Sun or Spleen and Ideal for the classic DCD sound. Aion is amazing but by this time they were full-on world music, though there were also some cool medieval/renaissance era tunes on it. Also I hate Funeral Parade for releasing this super tight demo and then vanishing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reJhgdMRxcA
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Smoking Crow posted:Welcome to a thread for goth music. This is a thread for goth music as disparate a genre that is. Goth music comes from the late 70s punk boom, and is similar to other genres that came out of there, like new wave and post-punk. I think The Nephilim is one of the most perfect records ever made. It's funny, though - I don't really think of most of these bands as "goth"but as post-punk (and I'm one of the obsessive bootleg-collecting TSOM/Neph fans, or at least I was). The Nephilim were always too drat weird to me to be labeled goth. The Birthday Party always seemed too artsy and violent. The Sisters always struck me unrepentantly rock-and-roll, with tongues planted so firmly in cheek that they risked permanent facial disfigurement. When I think "goth" I think about people who wax romantic about vampires, not Cthulhu (Neph), drugs and Old Testament vengeance (Birthday Party), or drugs and politics (the Sisters). That being said, people who like that stuff might like Jessica's Crime (shameless self-promotion on my part: I'm one of the guitar players). Nordick posted:I'm not huge on goth music, but I enjoy me some Sisters of Mercy every now and then. The reason I'm posting here is I just stumbled upon this thread and figured someone here might appreciate this band I was introduced to a few days ago: Hah! The singer is a regular poster over at the TSOM forum.
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nomapple posted:I need some help getting into Dead Can Dance. Tried the most recent album, gave it several listens, didn't really get anywhere with it in the end other than the first couple of tracks The most recent album is a sort of weird reunion album that they made after having been seperated for like a decade. It's rather far removed from what they used to be. Like I said earlier I think The Serpent's Egg is the best place to start as it's kind of a meeting point of the various styles they went into over their career, though I guess it misses out on some of the more rockier stuff from the early days. Every one of their albums is fairly different. The first album for example is very guitar heavy but it's still got their distinct sound already and is also great. El Miguel posted:When I think "goth" I think about people who wax romantic about vampires, not Cthulhu (Neph), drugs and Old Testament vengeance (Birthday Party), or drugs and politics (the Sisters). Way to let the roleplaying game nerds take over the whole concept. The term as applied to modern music originally just meant music that addressed dark subject matter but also with a certain romantic appeal and I think the first band it was applied to was The Doors because that really does describe Jim Morrison's lyrics and persona quite well. It was then applied to Joy Division, probably at first because of Ian Curtis's similarity to Morrison in both vocal tone and lyrics, and spread from there. Initially it had nothing to do with vampires, though it quickly came to include that sort of thing. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Oct 11, 2014 |
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nomapple posted:I need some help getting into Dead Can Dance. Tried the most recent album, gave it several listens, didn't really get anywhere with it in the end other than the first couple of tracks Gotta basically agree with m-o-o-n (I had actually forgotten they'd even put anything out semi-recently), I like pretty much everything up through Into the Labyrinth, but that's about it; you might look at picking up one of the compilations too, especially A Passage in Time. edit: or Spotify, i always forget that that's a good source to listen to albums/songs without just blindly downloading stuff.
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Earwicker posted:The most recent album is a sort of weird reunion album that they made after having been seperated for like a decade. It's rather far removed from what they used to be. Oh yeah, I'm quite well aware of that. From that point of view Cohen or Cash qualify as well. But looking at the contemporary use of the term, I think it does a disservice to the artistry of people like Cohen, Cave, Joy Division, or even Eldritch, to lump them in with "the roleplaying game nerds." At this point, the term is used chiefly to ghettoize music, and I don't blame Eldritch or Robert Smith for rejecting the label. I still think the Nephilim are just a little too weird for any label.
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El Miguel posted:Oh yeah, I'm quite well aware of that. From that point of view Cohen or Cash qualify as well. But looking at the contemporary use of the term, I think it does a disservice to the artistry of people like Cohen, Cave, Joy Division, or even Eldritch, to lump them in with "the roleplaying game nerds." At this point, the term is used chiefly to ghettoize music, and I don't blame Eldritch or Robert Smith for rejecting the label. Well I was joking about roleplaying game nerds, I just mean there's way more to "gothic" than vampires. I would definitely describe much of Cohen's and Cave's work that way. In a way these artists, while they make very different kinds of music, have in common that they are the modern artists who best follow the sort of mood established by composers like Chopin or Rachmaninoff. There's a heavy romantic fixation on death. These sorts of labels are very often rejected by the artists they apply to, because the labels tend to come from journalists rather than musicians and the musicians involved don't really see themselves as part of any such "movement". I certainly understand where they are coming from and as an artist labels can be maddening. But I still think it's a useful term when not being used dismissively (which I agree it all too often is these days). Earwicker fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Oct 11, 2014 |
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Oct 11, 2014 18:46
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You know who's awesome? The Cranes, so I'm going to post a couple of my favorites by them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CH12Rxvz40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvso2fEMh94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrJLw8Rtlws
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One major problem with goths, and I know/have known way more goths than anyone ever should probably, is that in my experience they won't listen to music that clearly sounds like it shares the goth aesthetic but isn't a band that literally looks/labels themselves as "goth". My two go-to examples, these are songs that I have never met a goth who even knew what they were, despite both bands being fairly well-known among certain circles: Black Heart Procession: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuLB-LOut7w (Some of) Labradford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Sh90Po1bA I mean, there are dozens, maybe hundreds more bands I could name that goths "should" like but that they just don't because they aren't either 30 years old or belong to a specific visual or perceived aesthetic. It's relatively maddening.
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Earwicker posted:Well I was joking about roleplaying game nerds, I just mean there's way more to "gothic" than vampires. I would definitely describe much of Cohen's and Cave's work that way. In a way these artists, while they make very different kinds of music, have in common that they are the modern artists who best follow the sort of mood established by composers like Chopin or Rachmaninoff. There's a heavy romantic fixation on death. Yeah, I think we're in basic agreement; I know that labels are a convenient shorthand for many. For content, here's a pair of links to my (vaguely gothish? I've always liked "chicken-fried death-rock" as a description myself, but I don't that applies to these) band: 1. What Forever Means (from 2011's No Love In This World EP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obs8gHlOkXs 2. Hridaya (from 2014's Myth That Kills): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ar_VcSqbQI
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TSoM sound like the archetypal goth-rock band to me. If the stuff mentioned in the OP isn't goth, I have 0 idea what goth is, haha. To be fair, this could well be the case as my knowledge of the genre is very surface-level.
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Don't mind me, just felt like poopin out sum rad goff choobz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCxoZ8GzOTU Clan of Xymox's self-titled album is overwrought morose bullcrap, and extremely my poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sOHAOvMEIY So's The Mission's "Children" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pLxOMgbO1w aww yea
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Yeah, Clan of Xymox was extremely good. Some dudes I went to high school with called Cut Rate Box did a great remix of one of their songs, it's on some compilation on Spotify. They made it quite a bit more industrial than goth, though. Re: Dead Can Dance, I agree their newest stuff isn't their best, but I would be highly suspect of anyone who couldn't find something to like on their excellent live album Toward the Within. Spiritchaser was actually a very good album too, not sure why it went over like a wet fart with their hardcore fans. I mean, check this poo poo out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLblOSaUmWU I did a "Goth Primer" for the NMD Genre Thread a while ago, it's far from complete but I think it's an alright playlist: http://open.spotify.com/user/1242610333/playlist/0i5D75NLgqDYEIFBtLdjQv e: The Legendary Pink Dots are hands down the best "we're not a goth band but all our fans are goths" band ever. They have around 50 or 60 albums going back to 1980 and very, very little of them are bad. Their recent stuff has gotten kind of tame, but albums like Crushed Velvet Apocalypse, The Maria Dimension, Hallway of the Gods, The Whispering Wall, From Here You'll Watch the World Go By... totally gold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwU27t2DHcw they do folky hippie stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE1mSJTO1yE they do creepy noise stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W7ICfDB7tE they do epic psychedlic rock jams precision fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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A couple of lesser knows I expect. Reasonably big in UK indie charts at the time. Had all the goth kids listening. Balaam and the Angel - She Knows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qic9wf8VCs All About Eve - Flowers In Your Hair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAWyJXBJRqQ And before there was goth and industrial, there was Cabaret Voltaire - Sensoria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfzXq0tA3c
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El Miguel posted:I think The Nephilim is one of the most perfect records ever made. Agreed. Also, seconding the Legendary Pink Dots, Clan of Xymox, and Red Lorry Yellow Lorry. Pink Dots in particular are insanely prolific and easy to get lost in. Rosetta Stone were a goth rock outfit sort of like Sisters of Mercy between First And Last And Always and Vision Thing. Adrenaline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTXX7PAnGM Summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5zZQ7YmNVk Abney Park, before they went steampunk, did some goth stuff. Twisted & Broken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5WwnLIfDOQ Breathe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsxDOFWTbk0 Gossamer did some really good stuff. I don't see it on YouTube, but there's a version of Shell Full of Sand with the flute player from Black Tape For A Blue Girl that's worth tracking down. It clocks in at 6:59 instead of 7:10. About half of their songs have multiple versions, either because they were rerecorded for the album Closure, or because of Wayne Hussey remixes. It's all worth tracking down. These guys had haunting and beautiful really well nailed. Her Ghost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEHkUyzxo3I Shell Full of Sand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_9CRyF-M3A Run (Wayne Hussey remix): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXU4qIt8Ho VNV Nation call themselves futurepop instead of goth and are a bit dance-oriented but worth exploring. Darkangel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-IPG-XnaU Standing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk4gZEAmOLk
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Speaking of Legendary Pink Dots, there is also a great side project with some members of Skinny Puppy called Tear Garden. its Edward Ka-Spel, cEvin Key, Dwayne Goettel (RIP) and I think a few other SubConscious people like Phil Western? And some other folks associated with LPD. Anyway they have several albums and they are all very good, especially Last Man to Fly. The sound is much closer to LPD than to SP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GupGDOyub7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiwynSly7BU
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I don't think Phil Western showed up on any Tear Garden project. He's always been relegated to the interchangeable Download/plateau releases and those two things he did with Mark Spybey. Tear Garden was always the collaboration between Key and Ka-Spel, with Goettell showing up on the early LP's along with random Dots personnel. Last Man to Fly is such a wonderful thing, I just wanted an excuse to chime in on this thread. The recent Tear Garden material (all released through SubCon's Vault series) sounds like it's been an email endeavor between Key and Ka-Spel, heavy on the synths and not much of the organic sound the early releases had.
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I just want to put this out there: Love and Rockets are better than Bauhaus ever was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo3R3LBjDek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB4WA4XRisU Much less recognizably "goth" than Bauhaus was, granted. precision fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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Smoking Crow posted:ME GOT YOU TILT Speaking of Pink Dots side projects: I like some of the Silverman solo stuff, and the Niels Van Hoorn album (though that's not much like LPD). Tear Garden also good. Edit: Tones On Tail was also Bauhaus minus Peter Murphy and did interesting goth-related experimental stuff. There's a compilation called Everything. Gorgar fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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oh yeah anyone remember Wild Planet? it was a comp from Subconscious and had a bunch of exclusive tracks from plateau, doubting thomas, lustmord, cevin key, etc. It had one of the best Tear Garden songs imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdzxgxG-vtQ
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Gorgar posted:Speaking of Pink Dots side projects: I like some of the Silverman solo stuff, and the Niels Van Hoorn album (though that's not much like LPD). Tear Garden also good. I have never heard of this before.  I've seen the Pink Dots three times, '97 and '98 (these shows were two of the best shows I've ever seen any band do, ever), and then on the 25th Anniversary Tour (which was strangely underwhelming and low-key). Niels was always the best part of the show apart from Ka-Spel, always wearing some kind of ridiculous flashy outfit and chatting with the fans before the show. At the anniversary show (at the tiny Earl in Atlanta) at one point I yelled out for "Soft Toy", a song I had no reasonable assumption they would play. I was right up front and Ed looked at me funny. I figured out why a few seconds later: it actually was the next song on their setlist, haha.
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Gorgar posted:Agreed. Also, seconding the Legendary Pink Dots, Clan of Xymox, and Red Lorry Yellow Lorry. Pink Dots in particular are insanely prolific and easy to get lost in. Will definitely have to check out Rosetta Stone on that description! Oh man, I love VNV. Glad I'm not the only one! Wouldn't have necessarily put them in this thread, but I don't really know where I'd talk about them either, so I'm not complaining! Empires and Futureperfect are great records.
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Nordick posted:I'm not huge on goth music, but I enjoy me some Sisters of Mercy every now and then. The reason I'm posting here is I just stumbled upon this thread and figured someone here might appreciate this band I was introduced to a few days ago: Never heard of these guys (Terminal Gods), but I like this. Grabbed the EP and a couple of singles. Thanks!
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Those guys could do a pretty ripping cover of "Alice" or "Body Electric."
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Even though I don't listen to goth as much as I used to, the first two Cleopatra Gothic Rock compilations are two of the best CDs I own, especially the first one. I've probably listened to vol. 1 more than I've listened to any of the albums by any of the bands I got into through it. The aforementioned Fields of the Nephilim, Tones on Tail, Rosetta Stone, and Bauhaus were all on there, as were the Virgin Prunes, whose album If I Die I Die is just about perfect. http://www.discogs.com/Various-Gothic-Rock-1/release/472380 http://www.discogs.com/Various-Gothic-Rock-2-80s-Into-90s/release/370595 Obligatory Virgin Prunes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUi9Koq0Hw Another band that should have gotten more attention is Big Electric Cat. Very Sisters-ish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ptUL-KaO4 (this rip sounds ... not so good but seems to be the only one of the song) That's from their first album, Dreams of a Mad King, which I like more than their other, more universally hailed one, Eyelash. Someone said they sound like a goth version of U2 and I can sort of see that. Everyone's heard Beastmilk, right? They just incinerate everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk7TbYPycrk I'll link their album because there is no highlight track. It's goddamned amazing from start to finish. Von Sloneker fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Oct 14, 2014 |
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I think Melora Creager from Rasputina might have gone from quirky insane to insane insane.
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Earwicker posted:Why what happened? I was curious if they'd broken up since they haven't released an album since 2010, and now the domain is expired. I went poking around elsewhere and found their official Facebook...judge for yourself: quote:Over a year ago someone hacked into my computers, Mac mail/iCloud, bank and credit card accounts. Hard drives containing all the files for Cabin Fever and Frustration Plantation were first erased, then stolen from my home studio. That's some serious paranoia. TOOT BOOT fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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She should probably take her own advice about looking up Stockholm Syndome. To be serious though, I don't think claiming to have had one's computer and web accounts hacked is a sign of mental illness. I mean that's not exactly paranoid conspiracy theory territory, people have their computer and facebook accounts hacked into all the time.
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Earwicker posted:To be serious though, I don't think claiming to have had one's computer and web accounts hacked is a sign of mental illness. I mean that's not exactly paranoid conspiracy theory territory, people have their computer and facebook accounts hacked into all the time. The fact that neither her own family nor the police think its anything but paranoia/mental illness is seriously worrying though. When other people are telling you you're nuts, you probably are.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-e1feSOuP8 Swans - Love Will Save You. This was the best band to come out, at least tangentially connected to that scene. They are also the only ones that are still culturally relevant. I'd argue they had the widest influence over the evolution of music. The second best was Joy Division.
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Everyone knows the classics. Let's get some newer stuff in here: Night Sins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PZr9kWhg4 Blessure Grave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo0EtYiTWRQ Dream Affair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW42mk3M5a4 White Hex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psnhEcJTUq4 She Past Away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMPd9QoVfVA
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