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Do they have any potential successor to Kim Jong Un or is the military in charge from here out?
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How friendly are the SK and Chinese governments? Why would SK agree with China to withdraw itself from geopolitics all for the grand prize of 25 million starving refugees? Even if China gave them money to rebuild it would still be a massive headache at best
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Oct 6, 2014 16:21
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The idea that the CCP is ideological enough in a way beyond "more money for me, gently caress you" is the most questionable part of the whole thing IMO. The CCP might very well be keeping North Korea around in a purely Machiavellian Realpolitik sense, but to demonstrate the value of economic systems? Bullshit
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Oct 10, 2014 05:20
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There's that blog of the guy who got on a train in Moscow with a regular ticket and just went to Pyongyang, like they thought nobody would ever try it so they didn't bother to stop it from happening http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.com/
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Oct 12, 2014 00:25
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They might? Handing SK a stack of money to reunify would be a pretty neat solution for the US, especially compared to fuckery with making Korea neutral and withdrawing troops or cutting a deal with China or w/e
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Oct 15, 2014 16:37
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Koramei posted:Speaking of the demographic crisis- would that be something reunification could help with? Not really. The demographics are a consequence of the way high income societies work. If you bring NK up to SK standards the birthrate will become the same. A unified Korea could be a significantly bigger economy, more on the order of Japan in total size, but that's a theoretical number and would take a long time to achieve.
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Oct 16, 2014 03:59
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whatever7 posted:I disagree with you guys arguing semantic of NK's worker quality. Once SK absort NK, it will give a major demographical boost to Korea, and it will emerge as bigger and stronger nation than Japan 20 years later. SK has the same demographic problems as Japan, maybe on a 10 year delay, and has less than half the population of Japan to begin with. Besides the fact that SK is still poorer per capita than Japan, there's no reason to think the New North Korea would be any different demographically. So yes, it is theoretically possible that Korea would match Japan economically, but this is assuming essentially everything goes as planned over a multi-decade period.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:11
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whatever7 posted:First of all, how is it not good for China? http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21620202-vast-new-waterways-will-not-solve-chinas-desperate-water-shortages-grand-new-canals I'm not even going to comment on the quasi-racist/nationalist stuff about India
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Oct 16, 2014 23:25
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Typo posted:The one child policy was retarded and made by people who don't understand demographics and will screw Chinese economic development within a generation or half a generation from now on and is basically complete irrelevant for a first world country in which the natural rate of population growth is negative. China today is essentially at carrying capacity. India and Africa are going to be destroyed by resource scarcity and overpopulation in the next 50 and 100 years. See the article I posted about water. There are 1.3 billion people in China, and there is not enough water for any more, period. Without the one child policy China would be even more overcrowded than India. Of course, if WW2 and Mao hadn't happened and China had been developing during that time, it wouldn't have been needed and today the demographics would look much better, but peasants kept on making GBS threads out kids throughout all the wars and famines, and then one day you've got a few hundred million more people than you should at that level of development icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Oct 17, 2014 06:10
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computer parts posted:Where does "The US is a third world country because it does [thing that most of Europe does too]" fall? It's true. Among rich countries the US is mediocre at best in many areas. I don't think most of the liberals who push the "America sucks" viewpoint care all that much about non-rich countries, and to be honest I don't really think there's anything wrong with that. It's reasonable to expect the US to be better than countries significantly poorer than it The words "third world" are maybe a little hyperbolic, but again, the base sentiment is true. If you're saying it hurts the feelings of or is disrespectful to actual third worlders fine, I guess, but I don't really care that much sorry
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Oct 19, 2014 05:16
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Onion Knight posted:Between this one and the China thread you really seem to love posting out and out bullshit. He's a low level CCP bureaucrat with connections to privilege who enjoys playing armchair geopolitics. It's kind of his thing. Like a Chinese My Imaginary GF sort of icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Oct 20, 2014 15:13
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 if you think real consequences of any kind will ever come to an American military or police agency for any reason at all
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Dec 29, 2014 11:09
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Popular Thug Drink posted:woah i didn't know tom clancy's corpse posted here we've got a few of them, must have been cloned in an underground lab or something
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May 13, 2015 21:37
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See here I thought something important actually happened in North Korea to warrant a hundred new posts ITT
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May 13, 2015 23:09
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Kurtofan posted:why was south korea so poor? It had never developed. Japan ran Korea as a colony for nearly 70 years and obviously wasn't too keen on doing anything but extracting wealth to ship back to Japan during that time. Then the war meant that by 1960 or so Korea was still pretty much a premodern subsistence economy
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Aug 23, 2015 23:40
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Main Paineframe posted:http://newamericamedia.org/2013/03/why-late-south-korean-dictator-park-chung-hee-is-the-most-popular-president-ever.php quote:...outlawing miniskirts and rock and roll (a move that, according to the South Korean guitar god Shin Joong-hyun, set back the cause of Korean rock, and opened up the way for the electronic pop music that still dominates today) J-rock is the only form of Asian pop music even remotely tolerable, so if that's true that's pretty much all you need to condemn the dude IMO Main Paineframe posted:South Korea sent over 300,000 troops to Vietnam. The only country to send more troops to Vietnam was the US itself. Compared to that, rigging a few elections and summarily executing a few thousand political prisoners is water under the bridge. The South Korean dictators made quite sure to stay on America's good side. Also weren't the Korean troops in Vietnam some of the absolute worst war criminals in the whole thing? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 01:13
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Has Japan ever directly apologized for the Korean colonization stuff or just for invading China in WW2?
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Aug 27, 2015 23:51
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My Imaginary GF posted:Be loving specific in your apologies, like Ronnie Reagan would be. No real American would apologize for war crimes. You're slipping, Rahm
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Aug 28, 2015 03:38
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computer parts posted:It's good to know you really don't know anything about China. the qing was bad because it failed to sustain the greatness of the chinese a movie directly attacking the chinese variety of east asian crypto-fascist ultranationalism would very much get people in china angry
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Feb 15, 2016 19:33
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WarpedNaba posted:The kind of fellows who cheered on Idi Amin because he was anti-Britain? Yup, say no more. i'm the 50 year old examples of far leftists having bad opinions
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Aug 19, 2016 22:15
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Halloween Jack posted:liberal democracy ... South Korea Lol There's a very solid chance SK goes the way of Hungary and Poland in the near future
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Sep 2, 2016 19:53
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Zohar posted:Not as far as I remember, though I don't have a copy of the book here. I just did a search for terms related to Mao and Maoism on Google Books. At a few places he vaguely points out what he thinks are differences between Mao's approach and Juche. The term "Maoism" doesn't appear in the book. That's pretty much it. That's just sort of how things work with Japan in my experience, people tend to require very little factual investigation or backup to confirm their conception of the place as an orientalist caricature of an eternal, unchanging fascist hive mind, and have a very high tolerance for simply ignoring facts that don't fit that narrative
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Sep 9, 2016 21:04
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Phlegmish posted:I don't know if it's because of The Cleanest Race, which I thought was an interesting read at least, but there is definitely this strange obsession with claiming that North Korea, the country that had literal five-year plans, was never communist. Liberals have a long history of conflating various historical examples of totalitarianism, plus the hot take potential
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Sep 9, 2016 23:24
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Main Paineframe posted:They've felt provoked for the last sixty years, but it hasn't led to nukes so far. I think it's fair to say North Korea isn't going to start a suicide war over the status quo. pretty sure even hitler wasn't dumb enough to think he was going to win after the eastern front went south
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Sep 11, 2016 01:20
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Yeah, the nazi war was unwinnable at any point, period, it's nuts to describe it as 'rational'. Same goes for japan and its adventures in china and the pacific
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Sep 12, 2016 00:54
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The cult stuff is a complex emergent property arising from social and economic factors in both South Korea and Japan. the Komeito party in Japan is basically a front organization for the Soka Gakkai (a cult) and I've read the Communists operate in a very similar way
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Oct 30, 2016 11:10
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Mister Olympus posted:Any more book/journal article recommendations? Here are a few from quick trawling on the internet. As for the Communists I don't have anything concrete, the history of the political left in Japan postwar is its own giant barrel of worms / rabbit hole probably better left for its own post https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_new_religions http://www2.kokugakuin.ac.jp/ijcc/wp/cpjr/newreligions/inoue.html http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cjs/aba2512.0001.001/--new-religions-of-japan-a-bibliography-of-western-language http://oicd.net/ge/index.php/globalization-new-religions-and-the-contemporary-re-imagining-of-japanese-identity/ quote:What emerges, as Kisala fully documents, is a cultural complex with a set of interestingly interconnected facets: a right-wing (or totally apolitical) political stance; an anti-Americanism fueled by fears of the erosion of Japanese cultural identity by Hollywoodization, and a view of globalization as consisting essentially of US cultural hegemony; a strong internationalism centering on the promotion of world peace; and a distinctively Japanese concept of that peace. This concept of peace can be further broken down by seeing it as consisting of: an amalgam of moral cultivation; a “civilizational” approach to international stability; a strong dose of post A-Bomb victimology; and a spiritual view of world salvation, based for example in the case of Byakko Shinkokai on the idea that the peace prayer links the individual to spiritual forces that enable the overcoming of karma and hence the spiritualization/salvation of all mankind (Kisala 1999, pp.126ff). The structure of this complex is then informed by Occidentalism or “reverse Orientalism” (Kisala 1999: 159) in which the spiritual East is contrasted with the materialistic West in particular ways such as appeals to the Atomic bombing as conferring on Japan a unique moral status as the center of world peace in the postwar era; or where a strong continuity with traditional Japanese nativism is emphasized; or, lastly, where a strong element of religious syncretism is combined with a basically spiritual view of humanity’s salvation and remaking. This cultural complex can be thus seen more accurately as a national mission, and not just for smaller JNRs, but as Kisala shows, also in the larger examples such as Soka Gakkai and Rissho Koseikai, in which the view of Japan’s uniqueness and unique role in the world represent a kind of globalization of nihonjinron, or its translation into a higher register. (note the author has substantial critiques/modifications of the quoted, which is what the rest of the article is) http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2012/07/08/books/book-reviews/new-religions-in-the-land-of-the-rising-sun/ https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-New-Religions-Global-Perspective/dp/1138879118 icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Gobbeldygook posted:B.R. Myers, author of The Cleanest Race, did an interview with Slate on North Korea. Is that guy's book considered worthwhile by people who know anything about NK? Seems to me you can immediately get a tenured pundit position by explaining how East Asians of any nationality are actually a fascistic hive mind under the surface, so I'm leery of a book that seems to regurgitate that narrative
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that's what soviet communist writings were like, and what chinese communist writing is like. that's pretty much how it goes in marxism-leninism, nothing special about NK there
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the idea that Stalin and Stalinism were actually right wing is a very old one and goes way beyond NK and Fatty Kim to the big dog himself
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fishmech posted:So how many pounds of lithium 6 would a typical country with a nuclear program like the US or Russia be expected to have on hand? I'm trying to get context for how much having access to 22 pounds of it to sell each month is in relation to that. the most fishmech post
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Apr 7, 2017 05:05
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Koramei posted:This isn't really to do with your post, but it comes up a lot so it's worth establishing- Korea isn't actually that small. It has more land area than Great Britain, with a population almost as high as Germany's. It's small compared to China, but then so are most countries. corea actually is the largest state on earth, most of it just happens to be temporarily occupied by japanese imperialists and allies 
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how exactly is myers' theory different than cold war liberal arguments that stalin was actually a fascist on account if his antisemitism and great-russian chauvinism?
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Wikkheiser posted:even considered forming an alliance with the Soviet Union so im not sure if you're aware of this but the real live actual Nazis formed an alliance with the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact one of the key points of evidence used by the liberal "actually stalin is fascist" camp point is myers' argument has a very very long history and i'm not sure what makes this case any different except for the specter of orientalist readings of japan as an inherently fascist shame culture ala ruth benedict floating in the background giving it rhetorical weight icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 04:49
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By the way, what does the South Korean left actually think of NK? Does such a thing as a South Korean left even exist, as distinct from liberal critics of the authoritarianism? Japan has a fairly prominent socialist left tradition, my impression is that Korea's got stamped out by the dictatorship and by its affiliation with the North, is that accurate?
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Koramei posted:a lot of your impressions seem to be based on (rightly, in my opinion) fighting tooth and nail to defend Japan from general orientalist criticism that's so endemic to it on the internet, but then not caring to extend the same thoughts to Korea. The Korean left runs the whole gamut, from overt tankies to people in it by circumstance like you said. To an extent the dictatorship if anything reinforced it in some places like Gwangju, although it obviously had a pretty deleterious effect too. Well, I don't think it's the case because of a magic black box Sam Huntington style "Culture", which is what Orientalism is, I think it has political-economic causes. But I might very well be overlooking strains of orientalism in my view towards Korea. But basically left-liberalism in Korea looks pretty much the same as in Japan then? What about the political right? Where does evangelical Christianity fit into all this? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 05:37
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Fiction posted:China has the "right" to a sphere of influence like we have the "right" to set up radar that goes deep into their sovereign territory. but the liberals are going to keep THAAD? opinion polls have china as less popular in south korea than japan http://en.asaninst.org/contents/south-koreans-and-their-neighbors-2016/
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Apr 29, 2017 04:49
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Do you think if Russia objected to NATO putting missile defense systems in Poland it would be legit?
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think Koreans are people. A lot of people, there's millions of them. So some of them can think one thing, and others can think a different thing. The way it's being talked about it's like all the Koreans are mad and don't want THAAD. My impression is that 6 months ago there was pretty clearly a majority opposed to it, but the heavy-handed response from China has pissed off the Korean public so much that right now it would probably get majority support Here's a poll of country approval ratings from the survey I posted earlier 
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a glitch posted:Heads up guys - Kim Jong Un is a 'smart cookie'. man it must be bewildering for other countries to read this kind of racist grandpa rambling
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