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whatever7 posted:As for China's attitude toward Kim2, my theory is the Chinese leadership probably wanted to keep an amusing communist dystopia around to give the hardliners inside China an active warning what would have happened if China didn't embrace reform. If this was the early 90s this makes rational sense because back then there were real hardline Communists who were still alive and in power. But since then most of those guys have died of old age. But then again, the spectre of Maoism does haunt the current generation of Chinese leadership whose formative experience was persecution during the culture revolution.
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Badera posted:This sounds nearly as hellish as what exists now. The difference is that at least in a generation or two wages will rise because the population of South Korea is getting smaller and demand for labor is going to rise. North Korea may well be second world under a unification scenario.
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icantfindaname posted:Not really. The demographics are a consequence of the way high income societies work. If you bring NK up to SK standards the birthrate will become the same. A unified Korea could be a significantly bigger economy, more on the order of Japan in total size, but that's a theoretical number and would take a long time to achieve. I guess in theory if integrating the younger generation goes well it would at least delay the demographic crisis for another generation or two. Every single society outside of maybe Africa will be facing demographic crisis of this variety in the next 1-2 generations anyway.
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't really buy it. The North Korean workers are so uneducated and unskilled that their usefulness as slave labor comes out kind of inferior to workers in neighboring sweatshop countries, plus they'll have to be either paid more or more heavily subsidized compared to existing sweatshop workers since there's no way food prices are going to go down when the country collapses. A general rule of thumb is that if you can come up with an answer as simple as "just turn North Korea into a manufacturing center, everything will get better" then you're obviously wrong about something because it's not that easy a problem! Except they aren't competing against neighboring sweatshop countries. If they are going against China yeah maybe you are right but even China is already moving away from low cost sweatshops and outsourcing them to other countries lower on the development ladder. Yeah education is probably an issue for NK but really how bad is the education in NK compare to the education of an average peasant in Bangladesh or Cambodia when they started manufacturing? It's not like stitching together shoes needs high level of education.
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Oct 17, 2014 05:47
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DarkCrawler posted:I...uh...are you aware of the concept of overpopulation? Do you think China instituted one-child policy because they hate children? The one child policy was retarded and made by people who don't understand demographics and will screw Chinese economic development within a generation or half a generation from now on and is basically complete irrelevant for a first world country in which the natural rate of population growth is negative.
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Oct 17, 2014 05:50
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icantfindaname posted:There are 1.3 billion people in China, and there is not enough water for any more, period. Without the one child policy China would be even more overcrowded than India. Water resources is not mainly used for drinking purposes, it's mainly used for agriculture. So basically tacking more people onto the system is mainly going to result in more agricultural imports, would that cause problems? Maybe, but I simply don't buy adding another...what 100-200 million or so on top the 1.3 billion existing people are going to cause a catastrophe when China is already a big food importer today. Oh and as a side note, if you want to drop birth rates, you might as well as go for something like Iran's family planning program, which succeeded in dropping it to the same place as China's (~1.65/woman) before they reversed their policy a few years ago. It involves no forced abortions and instead consists of the government giving away free condoms and free vasectomies to anyone who wanted it. quote:India and Africa are going to be destroyed by resource scarcity and overpopulation in the next 50 and 100 years. Typo fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Oct 17, 2014 09:16
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Main Paineframe posted:but whether that is enough to completely support the entire North Korean population and economy so successfully that South Korea doesn't really need to spend any money on reunification. I don't think anyone is expecting SK to not have to spend a massive amount of money period. Even if the NK economy is successful 2 generations down the road.
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whatever7 posted:The Ryugyong Hotel should be in a Bioshock game. Isn't that basically what BioShock 2 was about?
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