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Badera
Jan 30, 2012

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America.

whatever7 posted:



As for China's attitude toward Kim2, my theory is the Chinese leadership probably wanted to keep an amusing communist dystopia around to give the hardliners inside China an active warning what would have happened if China didn't embrace reform.

Yeah, this...is dead wrong.

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Badera
Jan 30, 2012

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America.

whatever7 posted:

Who are you so say I am wrong? Are you a member of the CCP?

Well, no, but strictly speaking, you're the one that needs to back up your extraordinary claim.

What you suggested makes no sense. It ignores the agency of the NK regime, for one. They've shown more than once that they're perfectly willing to tell China or whoever else to piss up a rope.

Badera
Jan 30, 2012

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America.

whatever7 posted:

I refer to you this book to understand why the North Korean need Chinese.

Right, ok, I don't deny that NK needs China?

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I also have multiple family members who were member of CCP. Again, how dear you to tell me my theory of CCP's point of view is wrong. What I suggested doesn't need to make sense, I just tell you what members of CCP think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Again, you completely ignore the NK regime's own agency--what you're suggesting is virtually ahistorical in that regard. It's also faintly ridiculous to suggest that China would prop up a quasi-failed state just to scare the Maoists, since they lost power a long time before the socialist bloc collapsed. The CCP was inviting Milton Friedman to speak to them a long fuckin' time before North Korea was a horrifying dystopia.

Badera
Jan 30, 2012

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America.

Fall Sick and Die posted:

I dunno why you all think that having North Korea be a part of South Korea is against the interests of South Korea. Consider turning the entire North into resource extraction and cheap factory laborers. It's not like they'd consider making it a truly equal part of the country, like extending South Korean minimum wages there or something. You'd be far more likely to see the entire north set up as a sort of Chinese special economic zone where you'd have South Korean rule of law and leadership allowing investment in the north to the benefit of South Korean businesses, with some level of Northern leadership bought off. The economics of it isn't the big problem unless you're thinking this will go like Germany where they try to uplift the entire region to the Southern level in a decade. The politics is much more problematic...

This sounds nearly as hellish as what exists now.

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