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They will keep his temperature controlled corpse in a special for as long as possible so they can continue to pose it for pictures as proof that he's alive, or his wife has a male child and they appoint the baby Dear Leader.
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Auritech posted:A North Korean delegation paid a surprise visit to the South for talks, and have agreed to hold more talks soon. The top echelon of power probably knows their only chance to hold on to the luxuries and privileges they have is to ease into a SK/NK unification over decades and if they acquiesce on certain things South Korea won't bother trying to hold them accountable for NK's actions and they'll get a pass on any of the horrific poo poo they may have done. Most of the senior leaders are probably 50s/60s, and can expect to stay in power for another 2 decades unless a Dear Leader decides to execute them while the two Koreas work out the $800 billion cost of unification. The two previous leaders enjoyed vast periods of prosperity, especially Sung Il, and things didn't go to poo poo for Jong Il until the CCCP collapsed and the money stopped coming in. Between 1970 and late 1980s North Korea was doing better then South Korea in many areas. After that, it became famine after famine, rigid control of the population, mass jailing of dissidents and families, drastically restricted food intake, and generally a lovely situation where Jong Il just enjoyed watching tons of American movies, playing golf, buying 10% of the yearly supply of Hennessy, and occasionally making proclamations to the people to resist Western imperialism and staging elaborate displays of the army's power.
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Oct 5, 2014 11:25
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SedanChair posted:It would probably get a little weird providing for KJU's every whim and noticing how completely ignorant and useless he is. I imagine the urge to watch him die would probably get kind of strong at times. Like when the Russian nobles tried to get Emperor Paul to abdicate but once they sat him down at the desk they were like "you know what let's just beat this motherfucker to death" Can someone run down again why the 3rd KJ was the one choosen? If I recall, the eldest was exiled for being too Western and the 2nd was a dilettante playboy who didn't take anything seriously.
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Oct 8, 2014 05:02
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Femur posted:I think the dude is probably just being a passive aggressive baby, but a coup fits after he killed his uncle. He is not smart enough to make that move, it is a huge blunder. Could someone go into more detail about the KJU killing party elders? I remember hearing about it and it being a big deal at the time but more in the sense that "KJU is solidifying power".
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Oct 11, 2014 06:58
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TheBalor posted:A big issue with the North Korean system is that it endeavors to make everyone into villains for easier control, but most especially anyone who tries to escape. It might have loosened up in previous years, but in the past the standard punishment for a defector was for their entire family out to three degrees in all directions to be thrown into a labor camp. Thus, anyone who wanted to escape had to do so with the knowledge that they were condemning probably dozens of people they knew and loved to death. Not to mention the whole incentive system for ratting out your neighbors, and how elites at the highest levels were expected to violate laws in other countries to make big donations back home. There's a documentary about NK where they interview a former border guard who when he was reading off some news reports over the radio and accidentally misspoke. Him and the other guy at the post both knew they'd be tortured and executed for the mistake, so they looked at each other, and instantly agreed they need to escape. During the escape the one guy died across some electrified wires, and it was the only thing that let the other guy escape. NK created a system where yes, you screw up and your family will suffer as well, but when you know that a single slip-up means horrific torture and death, you'd make a break for the border too because its a terrible way to live and at that moment all you can think about is not facing that punishment.
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Oct 11, 2014 13:58
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Trochanter posted:If North Korea's government collapses, can/will its neighbours seal off the borders and let its people die en masse? The only country seriously worried is China, because they'd have a massive influx of refugees they can't provide for and gunning them down en masse once they cross the border will cause major diplomatic problems. SK can easily seal/monitor its borders, plus the US will mostly likely jump in to help given the number of US troops in the region available to assist. The most serious problem in the event of a collapse is the foreign military teams rushing in to secure the nuclear materials and weapons. People hypothesizing a NK collapse scenario have mentioned how there is no international plan to deal with it so its entirely possible that Russian, Chinese, and US spec ops teams will run into each other during the process and start shooting at whoever doesn't back down.
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Oct 11, 2014 18:29
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WarpedNaba posted:Pretty sure that's from the story of the guy from Camp 14. He wasn't a border guard. It should still be on Netflix, Nat Geo Explorer Inside North Korea. The highlights were that NK let in a western doctor to perform cataract surgery on a few dozen people, and after the operations the people were taking to a shrine of a photo KJI and became weeping and praising him for giving them their sight back, pretending that the doctor and the other Westerners were irrelevant. Another was when visiting the home of a moderately well off family (they had a simple CRT tv) the Nat Geo lady was asking a little girl which picture of KJI was her favorite, as the wall was covered with heroic paintings of Dear Leader and various pictures, and the NK tour guide interrupted to tell her the girl's favorite was "all of them" and warned her against asking about it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mxLBywKrTf4#t=2100 Found it, the guy was the officer in charge of a propaganda outpost, one of his subordinates mistakenly said the next day was a holiday, and the officer and his friend drugged the other guards and made a break for the SK border. Oldsmobile posted:I've been wanting to go to NK for years now. It's not that hard, but the flights are actually pretty expensive. Thought apparently once there, you don't really have anything to spend money on except booze. Holy gently caress what is it with goons suddenly going "Oh, well I'd love to visit North Korea". There's literally nothing to to but stay at the one hotel for foreigners, and be lead around by a tour guide to see the great triumphs of North Korea's prosperous rule. Plus all the money goes directly into the pockets of a tyrannical system. It's like saying you want to visit Syria but only if your money went straight into Assad's pockets. pentyne fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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white mans burping posted:Serious question: Based on the costs of re-uniting East/West Germany its expected to cost close to a Trillion dollars and take 30-50 years to re-unite the Koreas, and S. Korea absolutely does not want to do that. Plus China's concern are millions of N.Koreans flooded across the borders and creating a huge problem for them that they can't just exterminate.
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