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Senor Candle posted:I loving love in Magneto Rogue just straight up said "I DIDN'T MEAN THAT THING ABOUT YOU BEING WORSE THAN A NAZI" Bunn did a good job backpedaling/spinning that comment into something that made sense with Magneto guilt-tripping himself thinking about how he's become so reviled and killed so many people after being a villain so long that he might as well be up there with Red Skull in the public eye. Then he gets his groove back and puts together Team Villain.
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frgildan posted:I think it's that when Namor came to Doom he's broken and a shell of the man he used to be. Magneto has made a mistake but he's owning up to it and ready to face it full on. I guess Namor should have gotten a pep talk from a former victim before going to Doom. I still don't see how killing a Charles Xavier powered Red Skull is a mistake by squishing his head. You can't incapacitate him by tying him up, and no one would have guessed that killing him would result in an Onslaught with tentacles would be unleashed. The one time "If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." not only works, but works for a Nazi no less. 
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TwoPair posted:Bunn did a good job backpedaling/spinning that comment into something that made sense with Magneto guilt-tripping himself thinking about how he's become so reviled and killed so many people after being a villain so long that he might as well be up there with Red Skull in the public eye. Then he gets his groove back and puts together Team Villain. Bunn did a great job and is making an event that I want to read. Remender is doing a horrible job. But maybe it is simply impossible to write a Big Marvel Event and it actually be good.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Bunn did a great job and is making an event that I want to read. Remender is doing a horrible job. But maybe it is simply impossible to write a Big Marvel Event and it actually be good. What about Infinity and Original Sin?
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Honestly, the whole Thanos/Thane arc of infinity was pretty lame overall. Thanos' son we have never heard of before is the one that beats his dad, who is only on earth for him in the first place. Kind of makes the whole arc a bit of a nonstarter. The terrigen mists are released and there are a bunch of new inhumans, but that's probably just some gimmick to have mutant style characters in the movies. The Builders arc was loving great though. ' We haven't really seen thane or planet annihilus used since though and that's a bit of a let down. Also, I kind of feel like maybe no one is supporting the Cabal so much as who could possibly really stop them? The second you 'stop' the Cabal we are all murdered by incursions or they blow up the Earth themselves and run away into space. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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bobkatt013 posted:What about Infinity and Original Sin? I feel like I'm the only person here who thought Original Sin was barely okay, let alone good. I wanted to avoid SIXIS but two books I like are tied into it so whatever. The main book so far seems to be in extended BOSS BATTLE mode, Magneto was where half the plot went in so far as how all these other villains got dragged into it, and Loki was a riot from start to finish. Somebody get this team on a DOOM book full time. All you need is Doom. Doom. Doom is all you need.
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Nevvy Z posted:Honestly, the whole Thanos/Thane arc of infinity was pretty lame overall. Thanos' son we have never heard of before is the one that beats his dad, who is only on earth for him in the first place. Kind of makes the whole arc a bit of a nonstarter. The terrigen mists are released and there are a bunch of new inhumans, but that's probably just some gimmick to have mutant style characters in the movies. Thane's back next year in the Guardians of the Galaxy/X-Men: Black Vortex thing they announced at NYCC a few days ago. It was weird that he got introduced and then promptly pushed off-screen, Hickman usually doesn't introduce something unless it will be important down the line to what he's writing.
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Martinpale posted:Thane's back next year in the Guardians of the Galaxy/X-Men: Black Vortex thing they announced at NYCC a few days ago. It was weird that he got introduced and then promptly pushed off-screen, Hickman usually doesn't introduce something unless it will be important down the line to what he's writing. The thing about Infinity is that the only part about it that was in his original pitch was the Avengers fighting the Builders in space. In a Word Ballon podcast Hickman talked about how at a Marvel retreat there was an event pitched for Summer 2013 that all of the writers were apathetic to. Tom Brevoort suggested that Hickman be the one to write it and to pitch his version of the event. Hickman did and the rest of the people there were happy with it and so Hickman then had to fit an event comic into his plans. It's why New Avengers' pacing stalled after Infinity.
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So... do you think Magneto told Mystique he was recruiting her to come to an open battlefield and fights eighty foot tall adamantium death robots? Cause her ability to disguise herself really well is going to be extremely handy fighting the murder machines that just punked out the entire heroic community.
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NorgLyle posted:So... do you think Magneto told Mystique he was recruiting her to come to an open battlefield and fights eighty foot tall adamantium death robots? Cause her ability to disguise herself really well is going to be extremely handy fighting the murder machines that just punked out the entire heroic community. She stands just as decent of a chance as Deadpool, whose only power is "a lot of conventional weaponry". I mean, sure he has healing, but offensively speaking, he doesn't have much going in the fight against giant Sentinels either.
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NorgLyle posted:So... do you think Magneto told Mystique he was recruiting her to come to an open battlefield and fights eighty foot tall adamantium death robots? Cause her ability to disguise herself really well is going to be extremely handy fighting the murder machines that just punked out the entire heroic community. Mystique is a meta-morph of pretty high caliber, she'd be more useful against sentinels than Sabretooth that's for sure. If she huffed some MGH she could do some Plastic Man stuff.
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NorgLyle posted:So... do you think Magneto told Mystique he was recruiting her to come to an open battlefield and fights eighty foot tall adamantium death robots? Cause her ability to disguise herself really well is going to be extremely handy fighting the murder machines that just punked out the entire heroic community. Mystique and Sabertooth have been an item for a while (since Aaron's Wolverine run at least), so she's there because Sabertooth is there.
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Awesome Andy posted:Mystique is a meta-morph of pretty high caliber, she'd be more useful against sentinels than Sabretooth that's for sure.
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I find it incredibly  that Tony's database doesn't have villains in it because ... uh ... villains aren't a threat, I guess? What the hell, past Tony. It just seems like a really silly and contrived excuse to get the villains together. Don't get me wrong, the villain team owns and is the only interesting part of this event so far, but ... what.This book was at least a little better than the first, I guess. It's relying a little heavily on tie-ins - I read Loki before I read this issue and was cool with Magneto loving off for half the issue, but another friend of mine is only reading the main event and was confused as gently caress about him just loving off and thought the pacing of that seemed weird.
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Dr.Magnificent posted:Mystique and Sabertooth have been an item for a while (since Aaron's Wolverine run at least), so she's there because Sabertooth is there. Plus she's probably at least a little miffed about a Nazi stealing her dead exhusband's brain.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:I find it incredibly He has a different villain database.
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Aphrodite posted:He has a different villain database. Oooh, okay. Sure. I'll accept that, I guess.
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I think the database is ordered by the 1940s clone (I think?) Red Skull who was controlling Stark's mind, who I can totally see being myopic enough to not imagine dudes like Magneto and Doom would show up to knock his block off.
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it's still dumb that Ironman did't count Magneto as a good guy considering he's been an on-and-off X-Man for decades. Also: Polaris.
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Being on the team doesn't mean Tony accepts that he's a good guy.
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Tony kept changing Magneto's location on the database every time he changed sides for a while, but a few years ago he just made it so the program would do it automatically every other Tuesday. If Red Skull had waited another week his plans would've gone smoothly.
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I'm unclear on the sentinels, was it the Red Skull subtly controlling Tony to make them in his spare time? That's what it read as.
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wiegieman posted:I'm unclear on the sentinels, was it the Red Skull subtly controlling Tony to make them in his spare time? That's what it read as. As I understand it, it was that Tony had considered in his idle moments how he would make a Sentinel if he ever had to do so, but had never written it down. The Red Skull used telepathy to pull the idea out of his head and put it into practice, so you get near-indestructible Stark-powered Sentinels that use Pym particles to capture and imprison opponents.
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Wow this somehow managed to be even more boring than the first issue.
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Wanderer posted:As I understand it, it was that Tony had considered in his idle moments how he would make a Sentinel if he ever had to do so, but had never written it down. The Red Skull used telepathy to pull the idea out of his head and put it into practice, so you get near-indestructible Stark-powered Sentinels that use Pym particles to capture and imprison opponents. Specifically, he thought up sentinels capable of defeating all the heroes just in case he ever needed them. It's Tower of Babel.
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Aphrodite posted:Specifically, he thought up sentinels capable of defeating all the heroes just in case he ever needed them.
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NorgLyle posted:Which is different than the JLA story with the guy who used his internet helmet to download a way to defeat the entire Justice League except for Catwoman who is a villain so she was able to whip him directly in the nuts and turn the tide. I take back my former question; I know exactly what Mystique is going to do in this fight now. Carnage is there as a backup.
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Hey what's with Mystique's skull belt. Are they real skulls or does she just like trashy belts? Do the skulls do anything?
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SynthOrange posted:Hey what's with Mystique's skull belt. Are they real skulls or does she just like trashy belts? Do the skulls do anything? 
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SynthOrange posted:Hey what's with Mystique's skull belt. Are they real skulls or does she just like trashy belts? Do the skulls do anything? I was just reading an early-80s Claremont X-Men where she used the skulls for something, but I can't remember what... A smoke bomb or something?
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Yup smoke bombs, she uses them plus a garrote to take out a cyborg Wolverine while hanging out with Arcade.
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Scarlet Witch has never learned that there is no such thing as Free Shrimp. So looks like Doom caused for the inversion to occur. You can begin to see it happen with some characters. However, I am not looking forward to Wasp being a huge part of this. At least we know something happens to her and Havok during this thing. Its not good but not the train wreck I was fearing. So far it seems its just an average event comic.
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So is everyone supposed to be acting wildly out of character even when the Red Skulls hate beams are explicitly stated to be blocked. Remender is doing a very good job of making me hate Havok, but somehow I don't think that was the point.
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You didn't already hate Havok, the Worst Summers Brother?
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Soonmot posted:You didn't already hate Havok, the Worst Summers Brother? Gabriel Summers is and will always have that title.
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bobkatt013 posted:Gabriel Summers is and will always have that title. The day when you realize the best Summers brother is Scott is a dark day. bobkatt013 posted:However, I am not looking forward to Wasp being a huge part of this. At least we know something happens to her and Havok during this thing. Her inversion is the Abusee/abuser thing, so she starts slapping Havok and Hank Pym around when they gets uppity. (just saying: I haven't read much wasp/ant-man stuff, I don't know how they work now, and isn't Pym dead?)
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Scott's always been the best. It's not a dark day, it's the day when your eyes are finally opened to how great of a character he is! Havok is totally going to die in this event, I bet.
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Codependent Poster posted:Scott's always been the best. It's not a dark day, it's the day when your eyes are finally opened to how great of a character he is! I could see them tossing Havok and Janet aside Multiple Man/Layla style, since neither are on the new team.
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Axis Deadpool greeting Axis Carnage is my comic moment of the week.
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