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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
At least in the U.S. drivers license suspensions and revocations do nothing. People continue to drive unless and until they are imprisoned which is uncommon.

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
When I was dispatching my cops were constantly pulling drivers over who were revoked. Sometimes their DMV entry showed multiple revocations spanning year after year as the license was extra-super-mega-revoked upon each subsequent violation. On occasion their car would get towed but generally they would get a licensed driver to collect the car and they'd pay their fine and keep on truckin'. One fellow had six DUIs when we nabbed him for lucky number seven, and the only reason he stopped driving for a while was that his car had gone unregistered since the 1970s and we impounded it.

Any crime related to substance abuse and addiction is unlikely to be affected by increasingly harsh penalties, but by that measure people who don't give a poo poo are similarly unaffected. You can discuss penalties until you're blue in the face but the responsiveness is on the part of the offender and when it comes to people's desire to drink (and to drive drunk) you won't accomplish anything.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

prussian advisor posted:

Well I can we can go back and forth on deterrence forever, but I can pretty well guarantee you that the guy in my earlier post won't be driving anywhere for awhile, license or no.

But we're talking about two different things: license revocation vs. imprisonment. Of course the person in prison isn't going to be driving, but outside of DUIs leading to injuries or death how soon do we escalate an impaired offender to prison time?

I'd be interested to find out if there are stats on how often revocation/suspension is violated by the offender. That could inform whether or not speeding up the progression to prison time would make sense.

I'd also like to know about the incidence of repeat offenders, both those who only experienced revocation and those who did time.

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