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I used to hate vocaloids but then saagonsa posted so much that I now like them Welp that's my story, here's a video I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYJQ_K2gQVA this is gonna be my only post today and I don't regret it
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The fan-made part of Miku is pretty neat to me, since I think that is what will give her some longevity even if she's never super popular outside Japan. It's a pretty weird experience for sure but it's the really cool kind of weird. The kind sci-fi writers would dream about in the 80s. Also the fact that the people behind Miku aren't exploiting teens like most of the idol industry is also a plus.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2D_Votd2Y I've never actually managed to make it through the whole thing, poor guy looks like he's talking at gunpoint.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:02
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I'm going to marry Hatsune Miku!
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Oct 9, 2014 22:13
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i like the drunken vocaloid
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Oct 9, 2014 22:13
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Smoking Crow posted:I don't think that is a problem, since the songs that are popular seem to normalize her as a character (she's fun, happy, likes leaks, etc). I would also argue with artists who do not write their own songs, like a majority of country and R&B singers. Michael Jackson did not write any of the songs on the best selling album of all time, Thriller. Jackson, and the Vast majority of those stars have the media circus aspect covered though. I've probably explained it poorly but I don't mean an artist has to have all the things I've mentioned to be mainstream and popular. But they seem to have to be engage-able as people in some way. Be it through the medium of musical development or through their lives as viewed by the media. Jackson for example had his backstory going for him. Miku will definitely interest the creative types because her use is encouraged, but again, she has no real personality to follow, no musical or personal story for people to obsess over in gossip columns or chat about at the water cooler.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:16
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CircleBoy posted:Jackson, and the Vast majority of those stars have the media circus aspect covered though. I've probably explained it poorly but I don't mean an artist has to have all the things I've mentioned to be mainstream and popular. But they seem to have to be engage-able as people in some way. Be it through the medium of musical development or through their lives as viewed by the media. Jackson for example had his backstory going for him. Miku will definitely interest the creative types because her use is encouraged, but again, she has no real personality to follow, no musical or personal story for people to obsess over in gossip columns or chat about at the water cooler. Personally, I think that if a few core aspects are emphasized, then the Vocaloids will be a lot more things to a lot more people. Sort of like characters in books, people pick up on aspects of their personalities that appeal to them and run with it.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzQL5EjKhM
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Oct 9, 2014 22:22
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Smoking Crow posted:Personally, I think that if a few core aspects are emphasized, then the Vocaloids will be a lot more things to a lot more people. Sort of like characters in books, people pick up on aspects of their personalities that appeal to them and run with it. I agree with you on that actually. I still don't think she will ever be huge in the west, but I can see the people who she does appeal to engaging with their own version of her in deeper more interesting ways than the relatively shallow observance of most celebrities.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:26
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A thing I just noticed: Miku's voice is different in the Letterman clip than in the studio version. This means that someone redid her voice, pitched it down and remixed it so that it sounds different live. That takes care and love. original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRc_Vz6kEjc
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Oct 9, 2014 22:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGMspOERyx8
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Oct 9, 2014 22:30
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Posting awesome vocaloids itt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXqN519Z4Io Someone made a graph of the number of new vocaloid songs hitting 1 million views (or whatever) on Nicovideo since Miku came out, and it's been steadily declining the past few years. I'm wondering if the vocaloid fad is dying out of lack of interest, or if it's a consequence of the original popular vocaloid producers getting snapped up by the "real" music business. The biggest hit maker of all time is probably Ryo, but nowadays he's just making a bunch of anime OP/ED stuff. Other examples include kz (livetune), Toku (Garnidelia), and yuxuki waga (fhána), not to mention Jin, who went on to sell hundreds of thousands if not millions of novels based on his vocaloid stuff.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqdDN59Ytjc
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Oct 9, 2014 22:39
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darkgray posted:Someone made a graph of the number of new vocaloid songs hitting 1 million views (or whatever) on Nicovideo since Miku came out, and it's been steadily declining the past few years. I'm wondering if the vocaloid fad is dying out of lack of interest, or if it's a consequence of the original popular vocaloid producers getting snapped up by the "real" music business. The biggest hit maker of all time is probably Ryo, but nowadays he's just making a bunch of anime OP/ED stuff. Other examples include kz (livetune), Toku (Garnidelia), and yuxuki waga (fhána), not to mention Jin, who went on to sell hundreds of thousands if not millions of novels based on his vocaloid stuff. Yes, this is the general trend over in the East. If not managing to get accepted into an already established business, a lot of people who started off with Vocaloid eventually transition into "real" music production.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:40
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This is the graph I was talking about, showing the number of songs hitting 500k views.
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That graph is just niconico, what are the stats on youtube? Could it be possible that the reason why Miku is coming to the U.S. be because she's more popular here?
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Smoking Crow posted:That graph is just niconico, what are the stats on youtube? Could it be possible that the reason why Miku is coming to the U.S. be because she's more popular here? Based on the past year from this point, it doesn't look too popular. The top viewed in the last year is a real life cover, one is just a Frozen cover, and there are only two videos above 500k. Plus a bunch of them are either reblogs from nico or subbed versions of older songs. Granted this list doesn't include any of the times a Western artist has used Vocaloid for some reason. E: There are a few more videos past 1mil when I try searching for specific Vocaloids, but the majority of them are just gameplay videos of Project Diva Futaba Anzu fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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I don't put much stock into things dying off, especially anime/Japanese culture stuff, since Pokemon rose, fell and rose again. I have a book of scholarly essays on Pokemon called "Pikachu's Global Adventure" and that says that Pokemon was dead as a doornail in 2001 and never coming back.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:59
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This one is p hella stylish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZOPlZTAPDs
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Oct 9, 2014 23:02
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I like the fact that Hatsune Miku exists. The idea of a completely artificial pop star that appears "live" in hologram form tickles the same part of my brain that makes me check http://rekall.tumblr.com/ daily. As for the music itself, I don't think the voices sound very good.
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Smoking Crow posted:Michael Jackson did not write any of the songs on the best selling album of all time, Thriller.
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tenderjerk posted:This is completely untrue. I looked it up and yeah, I was wrong. Thanks for pointing it out.
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7c Nickel posted:As for the music itself, I don't think the voices sound very good. Nyaa fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 03:18
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Nyaa posted:I like the Append add-on that added six more tone to her voice. This song use the 'Sweet' tone. Wow, I've never heard this before. It sounds completely different, and I'm not sure I like it. I actually like the robotic qualities the voices have. Makes it stand out.
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Oct 10, 2014 03:30
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I just wonder what William Gibson would think of all this "holographic Miku" nonsense, considering that he wrote a novel about this about seventeen years ago. EDIT: Actually someone should do a manga adaptation of that, it'd be pretty awesome! 
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Oct 10, 2014 03:38
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Forget Hatsune Miku and that vocaloid garbage, it's all about the open-source and underground UTAULOIDS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uVauN92W-0
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Oct 10, 2014 03:39
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I actually hate the way vocaloid music sounds, and think it's pretty awful. However, this is acceptable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJMODOndqc
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OK, now that I can see the videos people have posted I'm shocked to find out that literally none of the vocaloid tracks I like have been posted by anyone. So here's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgjXnUpydR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-L1J2t0YC8 sorry for teh boring video, the others had funky sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47MhtVt1qpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0gAwCFHdEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqqsgu7wZaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPzP-MwcLI I like how unreal and unearthly they sound. DrSunshine posted:I just wonder what William Gibson would think of all this "holographic Miku" nonsense, considering that he wrote a novel about this about seventeen years ago. "If there was ever a sign that the Vocaloid phenomenon is on the verge of growing beyond the Japanese otaku circle of awareness, this would probably be it. William Gibson, the father of cyberspace himself, has taken notice of dear Miku. Acceptance wasn't easy, though. Gibson, author of Neuromancer a pioneer of punk (both cyber- and steam-), at first tweeted that the aqua-haired leek-spinner "doesn't really rock me," stating that Miku needed "higher rez, less anime." It took evangelists of Miku-ism to turn Gibson along the correct path, filling him in about exactly what the vocaloid phenomenon means for the future of entertainment, and lo, he declared: WM Gibson posted:"Hatsune Miku is clearly a more complex phenomenon than I initially assumed. Requires further study."
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Oct 10, 2014 03:50
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Now i'm just imagining William Gibson listening to popipo ten hours in a lab coat taking notes
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a kitten posted:"If there was ever a sign that the Vocaloid phenomenon is on the verge of growing beyond the Japanese otaku circle of awareness, this would probably be it. William Gibson, the father of cyberspace himself, has taken notice of dear Miku. Magnificent.  http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2012/06/i-sing-the-body-electric.html quote:So, in the age of highly digitized robopop, is Miku the next logical step? How long have we been hurtling toward an entirely synthetic pop persona? As science-fiction writer William Gibson puts it, “Hatsune Miku’s Wikipedia entry is like some impossibly cool lost artifact of mid-’80s science fiction.”
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DrSunshine posted:Magnificent. Man, that is totally the article I was trying to find in my bookmarks, I should have just googled "william gibson miku".  
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Oct 10, 2014 04:05
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So Willy Gibson voted for POPIPOPIPOPOPIPO? Good man.
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bubblegumbo0 posted:So Willy Gibson voted for POPIPOPIPOPOPIPO? Good man. No, he was the one guy who voted "very much."
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DrSunshine posted:I actually hate the way vocaloid music sounds, and think it's pretty awful. I used to think this, until I actually heard some good songs. It turns out it takes a huge amount of work and editing skill to make these things sound good, while most songs that get spit out onto the Internet have that default dry terrible sound. (edit: analogous to 3-D animation: someone who knows what the gently caress they're doing can make it look great, but everyone else sucks and don't have the talent or eye to generate anything acceptable) It's also impressive when people creatively pushed the limits of vocal sounds, such as making her sing at superhuman speed, or cross pitches and octaves constantly, but those ideas ran out fast. darkgray posted:I'm wondering if the vocaloid fad is dying out of lack of interest, or if it's a consequence of the original popular vocaloid producers getting snapped up by the "real" music business. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the latter was true.
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a kitten posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-L1J2t0YC8 Also lol at lovely kei bands plagiarizing robot songs made by nerds in their mom's basement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LciylndQPu8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL-PlQxa5Hw
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AnacondaHL posted:I used to think this, until I actually heard some good songs. It turns out it takes a huge amount of work and editing skill to make these things sound good, while most songs that get spit out onto the Internet have that default dry terrible sound. (edit: analogous to 3-D animation: someone who knows what the gently caress they're doing can make it look great, but everyone else sucks and don't have the talent or eye to generate anything acceptable) Man, I dunno, maybe it's just me. Even the ones with a lot of skill and higher production value behind them, like some of the examples posted in this thread, still have that sort of "floaty", vaguely theremin-like sound to them. Yeah, I guess that's the best way to describe the way it sounds to me-- like a theremin! It's just unappealing to me, I guess.
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DrSunshine posted:Man, I dunno, maybe it's just me. Even the ones with a lot of skill and higher production value behind them, like some of the examples posted in this thread, still have that sort of "floaty", vaguely theremin-like sound to them. Yeah, I guess that's the best way to describe the way it sounds to me-- like a theremin! It's just unappealing to me, I guess.  Much like the rest of the Internet, >90% of the examples posted in this thread are also poo poo.
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Well that was a wasted chance (the Letterman show). Have her sing something that a human can't pull off, or something that might give her a shred of personality and emotion (I'm thinking of The Disappearance of Hatsune Miku for both). Hell, with the right visuals (something other than bland swaying/pointing/toe-tapping with lifeless eyes and smile) she might have been able to make an impression from something other than bewilderment and confusion. I'm no fan of Hatsune Miku the mascot, but there's no excuse for that weak-sauce debut. 
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One dude who transitioned from Vocaloid to "real" music that I like is Camellia. Though to be honest, I felt that a big part of this was because he always had issues working with vocals with his early Vocaloid songs so they would either directly fight against the beats or just be really formulaic in melody. Here's one of his most popular early Vocaloids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UVFokQXu-Y He went on to start doing a few vocal-less albums and I feel his skills greatly improved during this period. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6fErBWCBOo They just become overall a lot tighter and his music develops a really nice flow during this period. He does go back to vocals songs on occasion, but now the vocals and the music flow together very nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT8_sdC-G7E (Comedy option for the title (good god the very beginning is bad, but it gets better)) And as I was going around getting links, apparently he's recently worked on a few songs for Bemani so I guess he's legitimate now. E: Well I guess that post swerved away from Vocaloid, but whatever Futaba Anzu fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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