Percy Harvin traded to New York for conditional 6th round pick.

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CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Chris James 2 posted:

I like that people are just ignoring him fighting and being a dick in college, and in the Vikings.

Him being a jerk in 2 places? Okay. A 3rd place though? No, now something must be made up here!!! He's changed for the better! Hit piece, slander, fraud!

I think people are doubting he body slammed a dude more than him being kind of a jerk.

I mean those two don't have to follow each other.

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CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Brannock posted:

The Vikings were lucky that it worked out, but trading away Harvin for Patterson is essentially a wash at best, and at worst you bust on that pick (or someone else drafts Patterson before the Vikings could). It was a risky move that paid off for the Vikings. What about Harvin made the Vikings want to take that risk? Was it really just the money?

Its the same reasoning the Eagles used so it seems to be a common rationale.

Whether it is smart or not is a completely different matter.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 20:28

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Nail Rat posted:

They're probably not limited to that though. But goons think they know players better than the GMs and coaches that deal with them on a daily basis so whatever.

Ah appeal to the infallible nature of NFL GMs.

That is a smart move and not at all an appeal to authority.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 21:05

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Nail Rat posted:

And it's better to assume that what you know publicly about players is the whole story? Because that's what everyone else is doing. And the Seahawks are not idiots.

Honestly yes, it is much much smarter to assume these are lies than the fact that for some reason the Hawks was able to completely shut the media out from reporting something that happened in a practice that then happened to leak right when the player was traded.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 21:09

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Brannock posted:

Have any of you personally interacted with Percy Harvin?

That doesn't really matter, he could be an extreme rear end in a top hat and insufferable up to Kluwe levels it doesn't matter.

You can't argue that he was an rear end in a top hat and that GMs know better at the same time. They are directly opposing arguments.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 21:28

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Brannock posted:

Simply claiming that these are opposing statements doesn't actually make them opposing statements. I'd expect a D&D refugee to be capable of constructing a better rebuttal than that. It also seems you didn't understand the point I was making, so I'll restate it for your convenience: two consecutive front offices have found Harvin to be not worth keeping around and have jettisoned him. We know his talent isn't in question. Thus, there must be something else about Harvin that would make him undesirable. The seemingly obvious factor seems to be his contract. Why not just claim that, though? Why leak all this stuff about him, instead of just going "He wasn't worth it."? If you argue that there is nothing else about Harvin making him undesirable, then you are arguing that two consecutive NFL front offices have acted entirely arbitrarily in their handling of Percy Harvin, which seems to me wildly improbable.

They are opposing arguments. Competent GMs don't trade away good players because they are assholes. Good GMs aren't that petty. My argument is sound. Why do they do it? Because it is easier to sell if you make the player out to be a problem, rather than potentially exposing the coaches to criticism for not being able to use a talented player.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 21:54

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Brannock posted:

There are two responses to this that come to mind:

1. You're suggesting that the Seahawks front office isn't actually a good front office, despite available evidence.

2. You're suggesting that trading away assholes makes a GM not a good GM, and in doing so, you dismiss the possibility that a player may indeed actually have a significantly negative influence on the mythical locker room. (Two of the names mentioned earlier as counterexamples, Ray Rice and Richie Incognito, were either neutral or well-liked by their teammates as far as I can tell.)

Those rebuttals only work if you assume that they actually got rid of him for being an rear end in a top hat.

Also I discount the idea that he was a lockerroom cancer, as there was no evidence of that. The Hawks just won the superbowl and are playing about as well as they were last year, though their D isn't as good for obvious reasons.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 22:08

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Brannock posted:

Then we go back to where we started, why leak all those stories about Harvin instead of just saying "He wasn't good enough of a player"? The Seahawks are still on the hook for his salary this season and they're still within contending distance of the playoffs, and they have a dearth of talent at WR. They gave up a star player for a 6th round pick with no good alternatives at the position and a quarterback who needs fast targets to get open to succeed in an offense crippled by a bad OL.

Given the confirmed/obvious/factual information we have, and ignoring those leaks, the trade doesn't really make sense for the Seahawks for multiple reasons.

Obviously they saw his salary and production and felt he just wasn't worth keeping long term, so they figured they would get what they could. The hawks obviously pulled a play out of the eagles playbook and decided that it was much better from a PR perspective to push the blame squarely on Harvin in a way that meant there was no blowback.

edit: So let me ask you a question, why do you think the Eagles cut Jackson?

CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Oct 18, 2014

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 22:17

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

African AIDS cum posted:

Is this your reality or what really happened?

They tend to intersect.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 22:21

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Schwack posted:

That doesn't square with their usually long leash for talent. Harvin only got 8 games for this staff. I'm not saying all these rumors are true, but people suddenly acting like sports journalists couldn't have been kept out of the loop is kind of odd.

It's a bizarre move when a player is so obviously talented, but I'm not willing to discount that he may have been a problem. He only played 6 of the final 17 snaps against Dallas. Most of us attributed that to the OC, but it's being reported that he was checking out of games with some frequency. I could see that creating a real problem with the staff.

Hindsight says the trade never should've been made, but at least they pull something out of the wreckage. Not much, but something.

Is that leash long because they have talent or because they produce but still have other problems?

Because Percy obviously wasn't producing and the hawks are going to need that money eventually, for Wilson.

I mean I got no issue with them doing it for that reason, its a solid reason.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 22:36

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

commy gun posted:

Deeming a player not productive after 6 weeks is dumb and the Seahawks aren't dumb. They gave up a lot to get him and gave him an extension so they'd be inclined to give it time. They didn't.

He has played in a lot more than six games. they have had him for over a season at the least.

commy gun posted:

I also don't buy that they'd trade him because the coach looks silly. They let Pete Carroll start Russell Wilson over a free agent QB, and it was much of an eye raiser as I can remember. They don't cave to media scrutiny.

A rookie QB? That isn't silly, and it hasn't been silly in years. Its much rarer to see the rookies sit, if you have any hope for them at least.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2014 01:34

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

He outplayed him training camp, its not weird or that silly.

Though I should mention I don't say they traded him to avoid looking silly, I said that was probably the motive for the leaks.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2014 01:41

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Chichevache posted:

I'd argue that trying to enact change with a retard coach is a good thing and that Harvin's insubordination was coming from a good place. Bevell's play calling is unacceptable and someone needs to change that.

Plus you all would look a little hypocritical considering how much you post that Marshawn lynch double flips OC gif.

So at least you are consistent.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2014 00:22

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Cole posted:

This is the same TFF that got mad at me when I said Mike Evans was a pussy and cost us the game by getting the wind knocked out of him.

The same TFF that regularly says they hope everyone on both teams dies in a stadium implosion or a plane crash.

Some jokes aren't ok (knee jerk calling one guy a pussy when you just lost a game because of him) and some are ok (hoping 106+ people die).

What I'm saying is TFF isn't consistent at all.

What did this have to do with my post.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2014 03:01

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

AAA DOLFAN posted:

My favorite team suddenly releases hit pieces on a dude and yeah I buy it

Harvin admits two things, denies one, and OH WELL OF COURSE HES LYING

Thanks AAC

Did he admit to the body slam or the just a fight in general.

I mean I want it to be true, but I have my doubts.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2014 19:27

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Nuance being "my team is good and always makes good decisions."

# ¿ Oct 21, 2014 19:59

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

drat, I agree with that Truther son of a bitch.

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CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

No Butt Stuff posted:

He's ignoring some of the complexities of the situation, but 8 years ago, half of this website would be tripping over it's own dick to agree with everything he just said.

Wait I am confused, this seems anti-war?

Though lol at the specifics of his plan.

CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Oct 23, 2014

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