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johntfs posted:With Juliette I think it's mostly a boundary thing. When we meet her and Nick it's pretty clear that they're in a long-term, committed relationship and probably have been for some time. Even if they aren't married, Juliette is kind of a "cop's wife." Once she finally got clued into the whole Grimm/Wesen thing, she was able to look at it from that aspect - that Nick was essentially kind of a special sort of cop. In some ways the revelation of the Grimm stuff made her relationship with Nick even better. She's friends with Monroe and Rosalee. She can even sometimes help Nick with his cases by using her knowledge of science and veterinary medicine. Life was good. I'm fairly certain you put a lot more thought into this post than the writers put into Juliette's character.
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hangedman1984 posted:Not that I don't think Wu absolutely deserves to be clued in, but Juliet is awesome*. Yeah, it took them long enough but she's finally a real character. I said it before, I'll say it again, they handled Wu like a bunch of assholes. Should've brought him into the fold then. Now there's probably going to be some awful you let me thinking I was crazy arc or something
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Oct 27, 2014 18:00
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I don't know why there would be any scorn toward Juliette right now. She didn't banish Nick to the couch for sleeping with her. In fact, she embraced Nick in hopes to move past it. That is, until Adalind comes back.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:13
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I'm kind of interested to see what would happen if Adalind DID come back, honestly. Juliette seems like she'd be kind of scary pissed off. Don't forget, she may only be a vet but that means she has sharp objects and sedatives at her disposal, and the knowledge to use them effectively....
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Oct 27, 2014 21:39
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Astrofig posted:I'm kind of interested to see what would happen if Adalind DID come back, honestly. Juliette seems like she'd be kind of scary pissed off. Don't forget, she may only be a vet but that means she has sharp objects and sedatives at her disposal, and the knowledge to use them effectively.... I could see Juliette drawing some blood from Trubel and spiking it with pentobarbital (which vets use to euthanize animals). That way she removes Adalind's powers and makes sure she won't survive to get them back again. On another Juliette thing, I noticed she made a point of touching or stroking Trubel right before she was questioned by police. It seemed odd. Then I realized that was probably exactly the sort of thing that Juliette would do to calm a nervous animal.
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Oct 28, 2014 01:27
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What bugs me most about the Adalind subplot is that it reminds me how irritated I am at the main cast for being all shocked kidnapping a woman's baby would make her freak out. When she showed up all distraught on their doorsteps and they're all calling each other going, "She's there!? I don't know! Get rid of her!" I have a hard time thinking of her as a total villain when I think of her as a mother ready to do anything to get her baby back. I know she's done a lot of evil stuff to establish herself as a villain in the past, I just wish they'd have use some other catalyst to make her do all of the things she's done for this go around.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:56
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I can see Adalind's side of thing. I get that she wants to get her baby back and doesn't really care all that much about the larger Royals/Resistance situation. I sympathize with Adalind to a degree. However I also see Juliette's side of things. Adalind has seduced and tried to murder Hank. She put Juliette herself into a coma whose aftereffects almost destroyed her life with Nick. Finally, she stole Juliette's form, seduced Nick and robbed him of his abilities. So, sympathy or no, I can see validity to Juliette's apparent attitude of "next time I see that bitch, I'm gonna put her in the ground." Because it's clear that Adalind isn't going to stop. She'll learn from the Royals that they don't have the baby. Obviously the best place to start looking for it is with Sean Renard and his "Grimmy gang." Which means that Adalind (and multiple royal thugs) will be heading to Portland to use trickery, threats and torture to learn the location of the baby. Which brings us back to however justified Adalind may feel her actions to be, Nick and company are correct to believe that she has to be stopped.
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Oct 29, 2014 02:22
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johntfs posted:I can see Adalind's side of thing. I get that she wants to get her baby back and doesn't really care all that much about the larger Royals/Resistance situation. I sympathize with Adalind to a degree. However I also see Juliette's side of things. Adalind has seduced and tried to murder Hank. She put Juliette herself into a coma whose aftereffects almost destroyed her life with Nick. Finally, she stole Juliette's form, seduced Nick and robbed him of his abilities. I agree, Juliette has a right to be pissed off. Adalind, regardless of what's going on is a manipulative villain and will do what she's gonna do, gently caress who it hurts. That's why I wish they gave her a less sympathetic catalyst to motivate her. I don't want to feel for her and be irritated at the protagonists, especially as they aren't playing her as a sympathetic antagonist. You just know as a viewer, "Man, that was hosed up."
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Oct 29, 2014 02:32
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Yeah, right after Adalind's baby was taken away, they did make a point of showing Adalind going to everyone else asking for help first. She let go of whatever anger or spite she felt about her mother being murdered, and she went to Nick to beg him for help. It's only after everyone else has turned her down and left her with no one to turn to that she calls Viktor. You really can see her point of view, but it's because of all her previous actions and manipulation that they didn't feel comfortable sending her and her baby off together. Nick and Hank also guessed correctly that Adalind's de-powering of Nick wasn't strictly personal, but something that the Royals asked her to do.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:30
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4x02 – “Octopus Head” The memory-stealing Wesen continues to roam Portland, putting Trubel into harms way. Nick wonders if attemptting to regain his Grimm powers is worth the toll it takes on his relationship with Juliette. Adalind returns to Vienna, expecting Viktor to have her baby.
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Oct 31, 2014 23:51
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drat it, just bring Wu into it already!
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Nov 1, 2014 02:58
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I missed the 1st 10 minutes but pretty enjoyable episode with quite a few moving parts. And dammit I hated Trubel at first but she's really grown on me and is just a very likeable rascal. I love how she was just like "welp" after being attacked by the octopus man and the octopus man is having a complete psychological break. What I'm wondering is if he didn't steal some of her bad memories from along time ago when she didn't know she was a Grimm. I just found it interested that when she woke up the next day she seemed very cheerful and commented that she slept like a rock.
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Nov 1, 2014 03:12
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Yeah, Trubel is one of the better additions to the show, she definitely rounds out the cast a bit. Did Wu ever get his sofa cushion eating habit fixed?
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Nov 1, 2014 03:47
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Party Plane Jones posted:Yeah, Trubel is one of the better additions to the show, she definitely rounds out the cast a bit. Yeah, that was season 2 stuff.
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Nov 1, 2014 04:24
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Trubel's parts were the only parts I actually liked this episode. I'm poleaxed with dismay at the prospect of dragging out another barely connected European plot, they just keep dangling Wu well past the point where it made sense to let him know what's up, the SHOULD I OR SHOULD I NOT bullshit with Nick's powers looks to be spinning into high gear... and now Trubel's been abducted by FBI Royal Bird Police.  I guess I'll keep pushing forward with this.
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Nov 1, 2014 05:16
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Party Plane Jones posted:
That was one of the weirdest but enjoyable subplots. I still for whatever reason loved Juliet coming home to the portal to hell. Grimm please do weird,crazy, and creepy poo poo you are the type of show that can totally get away with it!
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Nov 1, 2014 07:08
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Mukaikubo posted:I'm poleaxed with dismay at the prospect of dragging out another barely connected European plot, they just keep dangling Wu well past the point where it made sense to let him know what's up, the SHOULD I OR SHOULD I NOT bullshit with Nick's powers looks to be spinning into high gear... and now Trubel's been abducted by FBI Royal Bird Police. Really? I thought this European plot was way more connected once they added the "oh by the way we sort of share minds" between Adalind and Nick. Pretty sure they're going to tell Wu, other stuff just keeps getting in the way.
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Nov 1, 2014 16:55
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The thing I like the least about this powered-down Nick is that Adalind was the one who caused it. Hexenbiests seem too over-powered. They've been able to do pretty much anything that the writers want them to do (put someone into a deep, traumatic coma; resurrect a dead person; get their powers back completely; de-power a Grimm; etc.). Maybe some of that is potions and not actual Hexenbiest powers, but it seems a bit ridiculous that the writers turn to Adalind for a lot of the main Grimm-problems that we've seen.
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My big problem with the octpous guy is their insertion of wesen drat near anytime they can shoe-horn it: remember when nick walked through the prison yard? 75% of those people woged. The royal FBI pepole are a hundjager and a--that guy who hunted the blue people who could see 360 degrees wesen--and that is the loving FBI. You are telling me this octo guy sucked memories from hell-of-important people and we are supposed to believe they were all human? He just now encountered someones whose memories frighten him? Oh, she is a grimm?!?! How would you know what those wesen are if you've never seen them? How are they different fro nightmares? OH. You have seen them. Like other wesen have. Yet you act like it is a mental breakdown because you saw the people you sucked their brains from? No sense. Anyway, he was an ill-thought-out stupid wesen with an even stupider subplot. Espionage? How Ian Flemming of you. However I am going to guess the royals paid for the secrets, so now the owl FBI girl is now mad she killed octo-double-agent, and this is going to get stupider and stupider. And whoever said Trubel is killing it is spot on. Let nick and juliette never see wesen again and go retire to anything-but-this-show and make it monroe, rosalee, trubel, and captain.
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Good-Natured Filth posted:... it seems a bit ridiculous that the writers turn to Adalind for a lot of the main Grimm-problems that we've seen. Adalind is the Avatar of Lazy-Writing.
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Good-Natured Filth posted:The thing I like the least about this powered-down Nick is that Adalind was the one who caused it. Hexenbiests seem too over-powered. They've been able to do pretty much anything that the writers want them to do (put someone into a deep, traumatic coma; resurrect a dead person; get their powers back completely; de-power a Grimm; etc.). Maybe some of that is potions and not actual Hexenbiest powers, but it seems a bit ridiculous that the writers turn to Adalind for a lot of the main Grimm-problems that we've seen. Well, she is one of the major villains. She's got to have clout or it's not believable that Nick would work with her on those occasions when they're both against the Royals. Also while hexenbiests have a lot of power, they also have to put in a lot of work to use it. The most powerful things we've seen them do have all required major preparation. The sheer amount of poo poo Adalind had to go through to get her mojo back pales in comparison to how easy it was for Nick to steal it. JD, I think you're sniping for the sake of it. Octopus Head always looked a bit sick after stealing memories and it was implied that they became his own. What he stole from Trubel was all the memories at the top of her mind, not of wesen but of being constantly having to live in fear of wesen. When he absorbed those memories and they became part of his life, he inherited the fear and unlike Trubel he broke under it. Meanwhile, Trubel has now lost all those memories and can sleep at night again.
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Jedit posted:JD, I think you're sniping for the sake of it. Octopus Head always looked a bit sick after stealing memories and it was implied that they became his own. What he stole from Trubel was all the memories at the top of her mind, not of wesen but of being constantly having to live in fear of wesen. When he absorbed those memories and they became part of his life, he inherited the fear and unlike Trubel he broke under it. Meanwhile, Trubel has now lost all those memories and can sleep at night again. The way he was also terrified of the fact that he had just absorbed grimm memories made it seem like they were somehow "poisonous," by their very nature of coming from a grimm. At least that's how I interpreted it.
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Nov 2, 2014 02:30
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I thought Octopus head was terrified because he had absorbed the memory of being terrified. It reminded me of how genuinely distraught he seemed when his previous victim's girlfriend came home early and he had to kill her.
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Nov 2, 2014 03:48
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Grimms are bad ju-ju for Wesen. If ingesting her blood would have nullified his Wesen-ness, what did absorbing her memories do? I think Octopus Head failed a saving throw vs madness.
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Nov 2, 2014 04:28
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Accretionist posted:If ingesting her blood would have nullified his Wesen-ness I'm pretty sure that's just Hexenbiests...
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I'm just looking forward to the epic showdown between Juliet and Adalind. Adalind is sooooo gonna get her rear end kicked.
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Nov 2, 2014 04:52
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I think there is definitely something about attempting to steal a Grimm's memories rather than it just being traumatic memories - there's no way he can't have been stealing memories for all this time without some bad poo poo popping up. It's probably like the infinite blackness Wesen see when they woge in front of a Grimm, except like a million times more intense.
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I'm kinda hoping somebody tells Juliet that maybe Nick should have his powers because she's sooorta being stupid and selfish. Hmm gee whiz you mean that dude that killed a bunch of our friends is totally defenseless now and won't see us coming at all? We'll just let him get on with life I guess. 
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Good-Natured Filth posted:The thing I like the least about this powered-down Nick is that Adalind was the one who caused it. Hexenbiests seem too over-powered. They've been able to do pretty much anything that the writers want them to do (put someone into a deep, traumatic coma; resurrect a dead person; get their powers back completely; de-power a Grimm; etc.). Maybe some of that is potions and not actual Hexenbiest powers, but it seems a bit ridiculous that the writers turn to Adalind for a lot of the main Grimm-problems that we've seen. The scary part is that Adalind doesn't seem to be a very good Hexenbiest - or at least, that's how the writers seem to portray her - unintentional or not. She bit Nick in Season 1, which ended up costing her powers (although that might have been an instinctive reaction.) She didn't know how to open her mother's spellbook. And the power-stealing spell has backfired on her which she was apparently not expecting. MildShow posted:I'm pretty sure that's just Hexenbiests... And that's probably just because they seem to use blood as a source for their spells/potions. I think Viktor specifically said that because she had ingested the blood of a Grimm, that meant she could take Nick's powers away, with the implication being that was because of the specific circumstances, not something she could do to any random Grimm. Capn Beeb posted:I'm kinda hoping somebody tells Juliet that maybe Nick should have his powers because she's sooorta being stupid and selfish. Hmm gee whiz you mean that dude that killed a bunch of our friends is totally defenseless now and won't see us coming at all? We'll just let him get on with life I guess. That's certainly going to come up - Viktor specifically said that he'd have to verify that Nick lost his powers. (The FBI lady is not working for Viktor, because if she was, she would know he was supposed to be a Grimm but isn't.)
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Accretionist posted:Adalind is the Avatar of Lazy-Writing. Haha I love this! I think this last episode really tried to get all of the characters involved (except the beaver) and there are so many characters that all of them seemed under served especially Monroe and Rosalee. They just are juggling too many at this point and Adalind in Europe again is just uuhhg
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I really think the show'd be twice as good is they tightened up the scope. Constraining Wesen/Royal global geopolitics to a scale manageable by A Few Cops & Friends is where all the awkwardness comes from, by my estimation. If they leave it at Renard making some calls and using his pull to establish Portland as a neutral city, it'd make for a cool atmosphere. It'd also establish Portland as a Casablanca kind of deal. The wesen and royal crowd seem pretty eurocentric so what's one port city in the American hinterlands? You'd have a bastard royal, two grimm lieutenants and some henchmen to manage things. You'd also have a reason for the bizarrely high concentration of wesen. And if they went that direction, they could write forever about building an underground city-state.
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Capn Beeb posted:I'm kinda hoping somebody tells Juliet that maybe Nick should have his powers because she's sooorta being stupid and selfish. Hmm gee whiz you mean that dude that killed a bunch of our friends is totally defenseless now and won't see us coming at all? We'll just let him get on with life I guess. It's a little stupid and selfish, but it's an understandable stupid and selfish. Juliette sees an opportunity to be shut of the danger and weirdness that's come into their lives since Nick's Grimmness activate. Plus, she's careful to reassure Monroe and Rosalee that they'd still be friends. That all said, however disingenuous it might have been, Juliette is right to say that it's ultimately Nick's decision and that he shouldn't be pressured into taking the cure. Of course, event seem to moving into a place where he'll need to take the cure or have something really bad happen (like switching bodies with Adalind or somesuch).
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Nov 3, 2014 17:18
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I think a telling thing she said was just before she left the tea shop: "I need more time to think." Not Nick, or "we", but "I".
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Nov 3, 2014 17:56
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I do like that Monroe was like, "Let's keep looking anyway..." They weren't close to finding a cure, and if in two days Nick comes bursting in desperate for his powers back because X wesen is trying to eat Juliette they would have to restart their search and still be a day or two (or however long) away from discovering how to neutralize the spell. Better to just keep working just in case (plus there's no way Nick doesn't want to be cured soon what with Adalind switching eyes with him or whatever).
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hollylolly posted:I do like that Monroe was like, "Let's keep looking anyway..." They weren't close to finding a cure, and if in two days Nick comes bursting in desperate for his powers back because X wesen is trying to eat Juliette they would have to restart their search and still be a day or two (or however long) away from discovering how to neutralize the spell. Better to just keep working just in case (plus there's no way Nick doesn't want to be cured soon what with Adalind switching eyes with him or whatever). I would wager that Nick and Adalind are going to do a full body swap for an episode or two. Long enough at least to get her out of her cell.
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I've been watching the first season again, and jeez, the show really does start off pretty grim (no pun intended). By the time the wesen organ dealer episode shows up you're looking at a body count of over a dozen and if you count all those organs, probably close to a hundred given the size of the set. They did a good job at making organ harvesting even more creepy.
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Nov 4, 2014 07:42
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Theresa got captured twice in the same episode. The writers could probably up their game.
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Nov 5, 2014 03:33
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When are they going to let Wu in on the whole thing?
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Overweight Shark posted:The writers could probably up their game. Understatement of the thread. Why would I look forward to next episode? Depowered Nick with short-sighted-stupid-selfish Juliette problems with him being a Grimm, again? Adalind in a cell with occasional telepathy with nick. Wu asking questions that should have been answered when he saw the Aswang thing. Monroe and rosalee being relegated to lab research. Trubel now being caught and that little escapade. I guess it will be interesting to see what is up with Captain and Sexy Hexenbeist Mom. That is the only arc that seems remotely interesting, and that will be all of 4 minutes of the episode.
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