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Homeopathy is obvious horseshit, but I've never experienced severe iatrogenic problems as a result of a reckless homeopath. Psychiatrists, on the other hand... Meditation is often derided as "alternative medicine" places like SBM, but in fact meditation was how I got off of benzos/ADs/other drugs that caused me far more problems than they solved. Basically, I have no love of quackery, but nor do I have much love for much of what passes for mainstream American medicine at this point. If I had a nickel for every time I've been scripted antibiotics for a viral infection, I'd have at least a dollar.
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It's worth calling out that "acupuncture without chi or meridians" is basically dry needling, which is increasingly being offered as a service by regular physical therapists. Dry needling has definitely been helpful to me for injury and stress related muscle tension problems.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:22
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I think there's a big difference between using alternative therapies as a first-line defense against serious conditions like cancer, and coming to them after exhausting all the conventional treatments for more ambiguous problems like chronic anxiety or fibromyalgia. I don't know anyone who's gotten better from cancer through juice fasts; I know several people who feel that their psychological problems or fibro is managed better with diet/lifestyle changes, trigger point massage, dry needling, etc than it is with SSRIs/benzodiazepines or tramadol.Smudgie Buggler posted:Why do you keep visiting the doctor with a common cold then? Like, why even bother seeking treatment for something you know or are at least pretty sure is a virus unless it's in danger of killing you? My criteria for seeking medical care is "fever over 101 that lasts for more than 48 hours" or "severe or unusual pain". The most recent time that I was given an antibiotic was after experiencing severe ear pain which felt for all the world like an inner ear infection (the likes of which I haven't had since I was ~10). This turned out to be a TMJ problem and not an infection of any kind, but I was still given paper for ABs despite having an ear that looked completely normal through a scope.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:10
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CommieGIR posted:You are missing the point though: A lot of the people that provide these treatments tend to push their treatments as solutions to more threatening and dangerous medical maladies, and that is why homeopathy is kind of an issue. I see that as reason to investigate everything on a case-by-case basis (and deal sternly with anyone who's so far out of line that it's legally actionable). Likewise it's increasingly easy to find anecdotes online of people who feel they were severely damaged after being inappropriately given strong psych drugs for very ordinary run-of-the-mill life stresses. Does the mere existence of some number of psychiatrists who push undocumented poly-drug cocktails on people inappropriately mean that the entire field is an issue?
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Oct 28, 2014 20:35
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Obdicut posted:What do you mean by 'undocumented'? medications which are known or hypothesized to interact for which there exists little to no large sample long term study as to their interaction; often one or more drug in the mix being for an off label use. That sort of thing. CommieGIR posted:The entire field is an issue. Homeopathy has been well studied. It doesn't work. No amount of special pleading is going to change that.
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Oct 29, 2014 02:49
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Buskas posted:Also, science has yet to confirm any benefit (or logical mechanism to obtain such benefit) from "dry needling". That's not what my insurance company said when they authorized and paid for it. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24568260 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25269764 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25276839 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25322743
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Oct 29, 2014 18:52
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CommieGIR posted:Don't get me wrong, if it works, great, but we NEED to demand further study before it start prescribing it as a medicinal treatment. do you take this same view about every single drug that lands on the market with lots of "pharmacokinetics unknown, more study needed" buzz around it? If not, why the double standard?
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Oct 29, 2014 19:31
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CommieGIR posted:Either way, you are trying to make arguments about Homeopathic medicine that are very much grounded in anecdotal evidence and not actual study. I haven't said anything about homeopathy other than that it's bullshit, and therefore won't hurt anything besides your wallet (or help anything besides the provider's bankroll).
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Oct 29, 2014 20:11
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Hodgepodge posted:A seem to recall a similar thread in which this came up and was disputed, but "hypomagnesemia" doesn't cover magnesium deficiency, the symptoms of which are: It doesn't help that modern farming techniques may be depleting magnesium among other things. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19013359 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/ That said, I'm skeptical that it's a great idea to take an assload of supplemental magnesium on a constant basis. My own experience (along with several other anecdotes I've read) was that after doing so for a period of time and then stopping abruptly, I had specific, unpleasant and fairly protracted muscle spasms which started 2-3 days after cessation, were relieved by taking more magnesium, and persisted for a period of about 3 weeks. Seems like drug withdrawal to me, which doesn't surprise me too much since magnesium appears to interact with NMDA receptors significantly.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:33
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my MD expressed concern that I was taking it all the time and did a blood test (during heavy supplementation) which showed totally ordinary levels. I went off it to see what would happen, had all the spasms and weirdness, and thought maybe it wasn't a hot idea to be taking ~300mg a day. Then another (specialist) MD expressed concern that I wasn't taking it. I don't know what the gently caress.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:55
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no, the spasms had subsided by the time I saw the second doctor; in general he like his patients with any history of anxiety struggles to take mag. I do think it was very helpful during the period directly following discontinuation of benzodiazepines after long term use; I'm less convinced that it does anything for me at this point.
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Right. The one I have taken the most is mag citrate, usually Calm brand. I'd also point out that being polydrugged at a young age with a ton of things that seemed to cause many more problems than the ones I had to being with, has a lot to do with the fairly woo stance I take on a lot of things at this point. Don't get me wrong, I trust doctors a lot more than I trust woo practitioners or supplement manufacturers, but that doesn't say much at all.
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