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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Adar posted:

This is an interesting thread because a close family member of mine is an acupuncturist as well as an MD (yes, board certified). His father was also an acupuncturist. Neither of them are Asian or believe in chi so there was no cultural tradition whatsoever, nor did either of them ever claim that acupuncture could cure cancer or other horseshit. However, another relative has spent a lot of time getting acupuncture specifically to relieve pain from chronic migraines and swears by it after normal painkillers clearly failed. I personally got a course of ten treatments to reduce a specific nervous tremor when I was a teenager; it definitely gave me a phobia of needles (lol) but I believe it also measurably reduced/eliminated the tremor as well, though how much of that is because of enforced learning to stay still, well, who the gently caress knows.

I am one of the most skeptical people you will ever meet on every other subject but have to admit that acupuncture throws me for a loop. The traditional explanations certainly don't make any sense but it's difficult for me to believe that it is completely worthless in the sense that homeopathy is. If it is simply a placebo effect, chronic pain patients should not be as susceptible to it, and even if they are, the conclusion I'm forced to draw is that no one should ever expose it since chronic pain treatment in particular can be ineffective or dangerous with modern tools.

On the other hand, people claiming that solutions of lavender cure cancer should die in a fire.

As a couple other people mentioned, acupuncture has the same effect as placebo acupuncture; that is, it doesn't matter where they place the needles, but the placing of needles still has an effect.

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Tim Raines IRL posted:

Right. The one I have taken the most is mag citrate, usually Calm brand. I'd also point out that being polydrugged at a young age with a ton of things that seemed to cause many more problems than the ones I had to being with, has a lot to do with the fairly woo stance I take on a lot of things at this point. Don't get me wrong, I trust doctors a lot more than I trust woo practitioners or supplement manufacturers, but that doesn't say much at all.

I think part of the problem is that (most) doctors aren't scientists. My boss is a biologist and isn't terribly fond of many doctors because there's this tendency for them to believe themselves to be experts in fields where such expertise isn't really possible. A good example is something like medicating depression. Because we can't drill into a person's skull and actually look at the present levels of dopamine/seratonin/etc, there literally isn't anything doctors can do (in addition to therapy of course) other than throw different medications/types of medications against the disease and see what sticks. Despite this, many doctors have convinced themselves that, for example, one particular SSRI is the best because of their own subjective experience, and unlike a scientist there's no peer review to reign them in.

So while actual doctors are certainly far better than people who practice pseudo-science, they shouldn't - individually - really be treated as authorities in their particular fields. The general consensus of physicians/scientists is another matter entirely and is the closest thing to an authority that we have access to. It's just that individual doctors are often a problem, and this is particularly the case in fields like psychiatry where it is absolutely necessary that physicians take continued education seriously.

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