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DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
What is the rest of the world doing while the Mongols go apeshit on Asia, anyways? Like, are they all just looking at each other and shrugging, or are they prepping for war, or are they busy fighting each other, or what?

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DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

Chief Savage Man posted:

Looks like you'll all need to stay tuned for Act Fourteen: Syndicalists... IN SPACE!

LP continues in Masters of Orion 2?

I also would like to add my voice to the chorus of "God drat this LP is beautifully written."

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

Kavak posted:

A mild-mannered newspaper reporter seems a perfectly workable occupation for a socialist superhero.

Superman got his start fighting corrupt landlords and oligarchs; it strikes me that he probably would have never moved away from that angle as he eventually did in OTL. Interestingly, this means "Lex Luthor, Corporate Titan" probably would have been a thing from the get-go instead of waiting for John Byrne's post-Crisis revamp.

Green Arrow would eclipse Batman in popularity, both for his backstory of "rich boy who ended up giving away all his money to help people" and his deliberate callback to Robin Hood's wealth-redistribution scheme.

Captain America's backstory changes; now he was a volunteer for Huey Long's AUS who was refused for service due to his past syndicalist sympathies. Defecting to the CSA, he volunteers for experimental procedures to make him a super-soldier.

Tony Stark is a union shop steward who builds a suit of armor to protect his fellow workers from an attack by Canadian soldiers. He is given the name Iron Man after defending the steel mills of Pittsburgh from the Entente.

Wonder Woman, rather than being an ambassador from the Amazon civilization in Themyscria, is instead a refugee; she has long been opposed to the gender-based inequality of her island and seeks to demonstrate to her Amazon sisters that a society built on equality regardless of gender, creed, or color is not only possible but preferable. She eschews her customary title of 'Princess' and insists on being called 'Citizen Diana.'

Hawkman remains boring.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
It's worth noting that much of the humanization of Tony Stark we see in the films does in fact happen in the first one that you didn't see, DP, and the two sequels really do rest on that foundation a bit. The first thing Stark does upon escaping/being rescued from captivity is say "Yeah, effective immediately we're not making weapons anymore, period, full stop." Even the Iron Man suit is designed, initially, as a vehicle rather than a weapon - he builds it because he wants to fly again, and the suit's primary weapon - the blasters in its palms - were originally designed as flight stabilizers.

Mind, that all goes out the window when it's shortly revealed that the next model of the suit has missile launchers and targeting-assist software, but I guess you can take the boy out of the weapon design lab but you can't take the weapon design lab out of the boy, or something.

Anyways, he literally stops weapons manufacturing and tries to get the company to start embracing the Arc Reactor concept as a path towards green energy (in a few movies his 'green energy showcase' proof-of-concept building becomes Avengers Tower) and otherwise making poo poo that doesn't explode. The whole point of his "gently caress you, gubmint" attitude in the second film is that he doesn't want the tech he's created to exist solely for blowing poo poo up and making one country superior to any other; that's what he's getting at with his whole "I have successfully privatized world peace" bit, because now there's a powerful force for world peace that doesn't answer to the United States. It's not an inherently libertarian 'government bad' stance; it's a more nuanced "you don't get to use my tech to attack North Korea, but if North Korea attacks us I'm happy to use it in defense" stance, which is admittedly still more than a little bit shaky.

Hell, the character's underpinnings will never really escape his origins, namely Stan Lee saying "What would happen if Howard Hughes had superpowers?" (which is, incidentally, where RDJ picked up some of the behavioral tics he shows in the second movie, with the whole 'he doesn't like to be handed things' bit) So there's always going to be an element of statist, capitalist power fantasy to him. But the films did, I thought, try pretty hard to throw in some shades of gray and sadly, a lot of that work you just didn't see.

Anyway, this was DCB talks about how he disagrees with DP about a character and probably bores the poo poo out of the rest of the thread in a few hundred words.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
That was wonderfully written, Chief.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

Gamerofthegame posted:

gently caress alb

Seriously, those guys camp something fierce. And they're not even good at it.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
I missed a few updates, and so having finally caught up, I hope poor Joe gets his museum off the ground.

I get way too invested in flavor text.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

CommissarMega posted:

Agreed; at this point I'm just skimming over the game screenshots in favour of the text that accompanies it :allears:

Seconding this.

Chief Savage Man posted:

And Sweden, Norway, Poland, Bohemia, White Ruthenia (Belarus), Hungary and Ukraine. Of these, Hungary and Ukraine are the most serious.

By the way, I am putting together a WordPress site for various things and I am going to be cross posting this LP to that website because there's been people in this thread and elsewhere who'd like to see it off of SA. I'd normally tell them to buck up and get an account but some of those people are quite old and not tech savvy. I'll still post everything here of course. Once I am done uploading everything there, I'll post the link.

Also see about making sure it gets archived at lparchive.org!

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
I'm a little disappointed that Joe wasn't seized with a fit of nostalgia and decided to leave the wargame on his kid's tablet, even if he deleted all the other stuff.

Ah well.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
I've been quiet for the Japan run, but I have to say, seeing the thread go all-in to rebuild China only to now be terrified of the nation that they helped restore is pretty amazing.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
A. Sometimes you have to make a potentially stupid decision to balance out the fact that you're the player and they're AI; worst-case scenario, we just made the game more Interesting (tm).

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
A. You don't suddenly change parties when you're winning a war, after all.

Also the main LP is for socialist victory, side LPs should be for other, lesser governments

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
1B - Canada has been a valuable ally and honestly, what do we want with a puppet regime on the literal other side of the world?
2A - We have pledged support for national self-determination. Will we so readily turn our back on our own promises? How would anyone ever trust our word again?
3B - because gently caress colonialism you guys
4A - The Pacific States are arguably our closest ally. They want their territory back. They should have it.

EDIT: paragon1 is right I made the wrong vote for 4 like a dummy so I fixed it

DivineCoffeeBinge fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Sep 24, 2017

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

paragon1 posted:

Then you should probably vote A for number 4! B is a vote to leave Mexico alone.

Oops! Edited.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

Drone posted:

Might it make sense to display these in a basic, numerical +/- format showing the current net pleased/displeased rating? This block is kinda hard to read and parse.

Assigning point values of 1 to "slightly", 3 for "normal," and 5 for "greatly," and assigning positive values to "please" and negative values to "displease":

Canada: 8
Australasia: 1
Delhi: -2
United States: 6
Republic of China: 8
National France: -7
Pacific States: 2
Indonesia: 0
South African Federation: -6

Note: these values are pulled out of my rear end and may have no actual relation to CSM's gameplay

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

paragon1 posted:

Worth remembering that these values didn't start at "zero" so to speak. Don't know if you took that into account or not.

I did not, based on the fact that I have no way of knowing what those starting values might be.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
BAA

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

Mister Adequate posted:

Option A: Return the Territory to National France

I am not a fan of the Algiers regime either, but we cannot abrogate our agreed-to responsibilities on that basis alone. We will have abundant opportunities to influence and pressure them after the war; creating a bitter and insular regime in Northern France won't solve matters.

Counterpoint: gently caress those guys. :colbert:

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
1A
2C


Placing the Persian Gambit after Operation Shogun - an attack on France itself - should, it is hoped, take advantage of France's expected response of drawing some of their own forces off the =stalemate line in the Middle East and bringing them home to defend the homeland. Once they've (presumably) done so, the chances of an offensive strike into our lines will be lessened, meaning that replacing our units with less-experienced defenders should be only a minimal risk; the French will weaken their forces, meaning we'll be okay weakening our own. Meanwhile, if the Persian Gambit succeeds, we'll have created an anvil to smash the Internationale against.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
A new CSM update means I have something extra to be thankful for on Thursday

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DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

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Plutonis posted:

Einstein being relocated from Berlin to Africa to the Pacific Islands is a really funny concept.

It kind of amuses me that in this timeline, "okay, Einstein" is not a sarcastic put-down to someone who thinks they're smart; it's probably, like, a sarcastic put-down to a world traveler who won't stop talking about how much everything in other places sucks compared to home

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