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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/01/scotland-vote-independence-poll-yougovquote:Scotland would vote yes to independence if another referendum were held today – just six weeks after a majority voted no, a poll has found. Tough. Edit: Posting this not to summon Pissflaps and Gaylord to tell us that Oil prices have fallen as if they'll never rise again but to further show that Labour's "Squat in the middle and wait it all out until we're in power again" tactics are completely loving them. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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The poll version of stating how you would've totally kicked that guy's rear end if your friends hadn't pulled you away.
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Kegluneq posted:Yeah! They should be putting one on that's 30+ years old instead! After some poking around - Dad's Army was first broadcast on a Wednesday, The Young ones on a Tuesday. I'm not sure the Saturday primetime slot is as exciting as you think it is. I wasn't saying they should put the Young Ones on instead, I was using it as an example that the BBC used to be able to take risks. The closest they have to that now is BBC3, which they're now axing. Everyone has seen every Dad's Army 52 times. It's the epitome of safe scheduling. EvilGenius fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 13:25
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EvilGenius posted:I wasn't saying they should put the Young Ones on instead, I was using it as an example that the BBC used to be able to take risks. The closest they have to that now is BBC3, which they're now axing. But.. it's Saturday night. Saturday night has always been safe scheduling?
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Nov 1, 2014 13:35
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EvilGenius posted:I wasn't saying they should put the Young Ones on instead, I was using it as an example that the BBC used to be able to take risks. The closest they have to that now is BBC3, which they're now axing. BBC3 was never a "risk-taking" channel. It was a containment network designed to prevent Johnny "Sex Lives of Potato Men" Vegas from contaminating the rest of the airwaves.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:42
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BBC4 is the biggest risk taker on TV running documentaries like the evolution of the transistor radio in Sweden that are actually awesome but on the face of it only appeal to 7 people globally all of which were involved in making the show.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:46
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Robot Mil posted:These people make me so very very angry. I know a couple who rented from the Wilsons when they'd just had a baby, and the boiler broke down right as the country was going into winter. When they asked the landlords to fix it, they responded with a demand they vacate the premises within two weeks. Which didn't happen of course because that poo poo violates god knows how many laws. gently caress the Wilsons, they are utter utter cunts of the highest order. If I'm looking at a place and I get even the slightest wiff that they are involved somehow, I don't care how nice it might be, I'm not interested.
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Burqa King posted:Indeed, but when daily mail readers say we should lock people up we jump down their throats. Perhaps we have more in common with our opponents than we'd like to admit. "No war but class war? You sound like a warmonger to me  "
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Seaside Loafer posted:Cautions are poo poo, show up on a CRB check until you are 100 years old. I have one for possesion of an offensive weapon which was bullshit but I just wanted to get out of the nick and was befuddled. Its led to a few interesting conversations with employers and of course just being ditched the moment anything comes up. That's not quite true. Cautions become spent immediately and therefore do not need to be disclosed. I believe the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 makes it an offence to refuse employment on the grounds of a caution (with the exception of the protected roles, teaching etc). For protected roles having a caution doesn't immediately bar you from work, the employer should make a decision based on what the offence was and how long ago it occurred. HortonNash fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 14:13
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kapparomeo posted:BBC3 was never a "risk-taking" channel. It was a containment network designed to prevent Johnny "Sex Lives of Potato Men" Vegas from contaminating the rest of the airwaves.
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Nov 1, 2014 14:15
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Gorn Myson posted:Ideal loving owned though. Oh my god it really did. I need to watch that again.
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Nov 1, 2014 14:26
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The BBC are never going to show anything exciting or new when they have Strictly Come Dancing on BBC1, and ITV are showing the X Factor. Anything they put on would probably get the worst viewing figures, so they may as well put on something that doesn't cost them much!
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HortonNash posted:That's not quite true. Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 15:09
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What's the average age of people who still watch broadcast television? I'm going to guess it's more then a decade higher then it was when The Young Ones aired, bare minimum. You might as well ask why we don't have Saturday morning cartoons or Top Of The Pops anymore: the only audience who is still watching it is a lot closer to Dad's Army then they are daring, fresh content. There's about a trillion avenues for daring, fresh content. None of them are the BBC.
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IceAgeComing posted:The BBC are never going to show anything exciting or new when they have Strictly Come Dancing on BBC1, and ITV are showing the X Factor. Anything they put on would probably get the worst viewing figures, so they may as well put on something that doesn't cost them much! This. No point wasting money on something nobody's going to watch anyway. I am sad about BBC3 because Don't Tell the Bride is brilliant television and nobody has talked about what's going to happen to that! On a more political note, friend of mine who is an MP candidate for next spring came out in support of Murphy this morning  . If he gets it, I'm definitely leaving Labour. And I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Blair McDougall who ran the No campaign is apparently going to be running Murphy's. Ughhhhh.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Well it is true ... go and look it up. And do you really think a potential employer is going to give a gently caress about the 1974 act when they have someone who doesnt have a record to choose from. They still show up on a CRB even if spent. I didn't say that they don't show up on a DBS certificate (which few employers are allowed to actually check these days, and you can monitor who is checking up on you yourself online if you have a DBS certificate), that's the point of a DBS certificate, but that you don't need to disclose a spent caution (which become spent the moment you leave the police station) for a job when they ask about convictions. You stated that you didn't disclose your caution, and said that you were doing something you shouldn't be, I simply said that you weren't and what's more were protected from being dismissed if your caution came to light because it was already spent. NACRO posted:Applying for jobs
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kapparomeo posted:BBC3 was never a "risk-taking" channel. It was a containment network designed to prevent Johnny "Sex Lives of Potato Men" Vegas from contaminating the rest of the airwaves. BBC3 gave us monkey dust.
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CoolCab posted:What's the average age of people who still watch broadcast television? I'm going to guess it's more then a decade higher then it was when The Young Ones aired, bare minimum. You might as well ask why we don't have Saturday morning cartoons or Top Of The Pops anymore: the only audience who is still watching it is a lot closer to Dad's Army then they are daring, fresh content. There's about a trillion avenues for daring, fresh content. None of them are the BBC. There's also a place for Dad's Army. His name is Dave. Seriously though, given that 18 to 30s pay the same licence fee as the people who (still) watch Dad's Army, do the BBC not have a duty to that audience? I totally agree that that age group aren't watching telly any more, but is that exactly because the majority of broadcast media is for people aged 40+? What are the BBC going to do when the people for whom TV was the main media source all die off?
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Oddly enough, American TV has got a lot better in the last decade or so now that they're writing new and interesting drama series for adults, shows like Homeland, The West Wing and the new version of House of Cards. It always used to be the BBC that had the best authors and scriptwriters and came up with those sorts of programmes, but now the best TV is American, Canadian or Scandinavian and tends to be bought up by Channel 4. The Beeb'll have to go back to its roots in that respect if it wants to have that appeal again.
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Clearly the solution is to sell the BBC to an American. I'm sure it doesn't matter who. e/ We can give them a twofer on the NHS while we're at it. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 16:36
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Stottie Kyek posted:Oddly enough, American TV has got a lot better in the last decade or so now that they're writing new and interesting drama series for adults, shows like Homeland, The West Wing and the new version of House of Cards. It always used to be the BBC that had the best authors and scriptwriters and came up with those sorts of programmes, but now the best TV is American, Canadian or Scandinavian and tends to be bought up by Channel 4. The Beeb'll have to go back to its roots in that respect if it wants to have that appeal again. This is bullshit. What American TV has is volume and money. The shows that people rave about, the Wires, Breaking Bads and Mad Men are mixed into an ocean of Honey BooBoo, Duck Dynasty and Hitler's Greatest Farts. The broadcast networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox etc) churn out a diet of crime procedurals (CSI, NCIS etc) reality shows and drearily safe sitcoms, whereas the cable networks (HBO, Showtime, AMC, STARZ etc) that are often the source of the Mad Men's, Wires and Walking Deads, put huge amounts of money into a few shows and then replay the poo poo out of them, the rest of their line up being some of the most shockingly bad TV possible. In addition HBO and Showtime are subscription based and horrendously expensive. The other side of the argument is the volume of TV production, the US networks are literally throwing poo poo against a wall and keeping the stuff that is profitable and pays absolutely no attention to actual artistic merit or public service. They will happily end programmes mid-story if the advertisers tell them to, because that's all that matters. Cherry picking the West Wings, HoCs, Wires, Breaking Bads and Walking Deads as an argument against British TV is disingenuous to the extreme.
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British perceptions of American telly is a lot like popular perceptions of music in the 70s. All the really good songs time has filtered out and that are popular today were often not big hits at the time. Similarly the best American shows often struggle for viewership (Outliers like Breaking Bad or Sopranos are often enjoyed by mainstream fans for questionable reasons) but are good enough to be filtered out and brought here so we get an overly positive impression of American TV. Similarly Americans often get an overly positive impression of British TV because most of our lovely rubbish doesn't make it over there.
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HortonNash posted:The other side of the argument is the volume of TV production, the US networks are literally throwing poo poo against a wall and keeping the stuff that is profitable and pays absolutely no attention to actual artistic merit or public service. They will happily end programmes mid-story if the advertisers tell them to, because that's all that matters. I've seen the argument that whilst British TV often has too little money in it, American TV can suffer from too much. We do put out great shows, but we also know when to let them peter off and die. I think this is particularly obvious with comedies - many great UK comedy shows like Black Books have 2-3 seasons and then end. In the US they're kept on, every permutation of coupling and life event is played out and things constantly have to get bigger and more exaggerated...you end up on season 13, with Bernard struggling to manage his book store empire whilst keeping his relationship with the cleaner secret from his husband, Manny. I wonder how the BBC and license fee will change as viewing patterns change. Maybe we will just have to increase taxes to fund it and scrap the license fee altogether. Naturally this will be very easy to kill when the budget is tight, but when so many people pick and choose what they watch via on demand services, it's hard to justify them paying £150.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:British perceptions of American telly is a lot like popular perceptions of music in the 70s. All the really good songs time has filtered out and that are popular today were often not big hits at the time. Similarly the best American shows often struggle for viewership (Outliers like Breaking Bad or Sopranos are often enjoyed by mainstream fans for questionable reasons) but are good enough to be filtered out and brought here so we get an overly positive impression of American TV. hmm yes please tell me the Correct way to enjoy entertainment The Beeb would do better to offer a subscription model to foreign markets so that you could get access to iPlayer from anywhere.
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Gonzo McFee posted:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/01/scotland-vote-independence-poll-yougov 100% of Scots need to stop whining. Boohoohoo we need a special government just for Scotland! Ah but Cornwall doesn't need a special government. The North of England, a place that truly suffers, that doesn't get free prescriptions and free higher education, they don't get a special government. Some random street near Birmingham that really hates the Tories, they don't get a special government. Full federalization of the UK or nothing fuckos. You can take your selfish polls which show nothing but entitlement from a supposed leftist population and shove them up your arse. In 2052 when Scotland has finally broken off via UDI (27% wanted independence it was totally legit) I hope militant northerners suicide bomb you as the class traitors you are.
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Regarde Aduck posted:100% of Scots need to stop whining. Boohoohoo we need a special government just for Scotland! Ah but Cornwall doesn't need a special government. The North of England, a place that truly suffers, that doesn't get free prescriptions and free higher education, they don't get a special government. Some random street near Birmingham that really hates the Tories, they don't get a special government. lol
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Regarde Aduck posted:100% of Scots need to stop whining. Boohoohoo we need a special government just for Scotland! Ah but Cornwall doesn't need a special government. The North of England, a place that truly suffers, that doesn't get free prescriptions and free higher education, they don't get a special government. Some random street near Birmingham that really hates the Tories, they don't get a special government. You are just adorable.
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Regarde Aduck posted:You can take your selfish polls which show nothing but entitlement from a supposed leftist population and shove them up your arse. Have you ever been to Scotland. It's mostly BMWs and 3 bedroom semi-detached Barratt homes.
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Malcolm XML posted:The Beeb would do better to offer a subscription model to foreign markets so that you could get access to iPlayer from anywhere. They're actually working on that with iPlayer Worldwide (which seems to totally ignore any country they have, or have had in the past, a partner in) which I believe has full access to the BBC archives which actually makes it better in a way that the iPlayer that we have access to.
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Am I the only person here who paid no attention to the Scotpol thread? Since it closed we're getting a lot of ... well, this, in here.
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Regarde Aduck posted:100% of Scots need to stop whining. Boohoohoo we need a special government just for Scotland! Ah but Cornwall doesn't need a special government. The North of England, a place that truly suffers, that doesn't get free prescriptions and free higher education, they don't get a special government. Some random street near Birmingham that really hates the Tories, they don't get a special government. Jim Murphy is that you?
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Beg your pardon Hungry  I think plenty of us were happy with the separate thread, and leaving UKMT to rUK issues, but Regarde Aduck throwing hissy fits because he has some childhood trauma about kilts and Nessie got it shut down and the sudden massive rise in political literacy and interest amongst Scots means we are going to go somewhere.
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Obliterati posted:Jim Murphy is that you? It's John McTernan
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twoot posted:It's John McTernan I thought he was convinced the SNP were finished though? The Scotsman is still publishing his 'SNP dead' rants every other day even as these polls rise.
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Obliterati posted:I thought he was convinced the SNP were finished though? The Scotsman is still publishing his 'SNP dead' rants every other day even as these polls rise. The SNP are finished, you'll know that Scotland united around Labour in 2010. It happened. Read his twitter, it is an enlightening window into the continuing mind of New Labour.
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ookiimarukochan posted:They're actually working on that with iPlayer Worldwide (which seems to totally ignore any country they have, or have had in the past, a partner in) which I believe has full access to the BBC archives which actually makes it better in a way that the iPlayer that we have access to. They need to give access to the BBC archive because they own very little of the programming outright these days thanks to the ridiculous way in which they are now forced to make programming (with outside production companies). They can only put programmes on to iplayer (either ours or worldwide) if they have the distribution rights to it, and with the exception of the BBC's own programming (e.g. Top Gear, DW etc) they have a limited time in which to put stuff up for streaming/download (30 days currently, although some programmes aren't available at all). They'd also need to restrict the stuff they put up if it is profitable to broadcast overseas (DW and TG spring to mind) as the iplayer will reduce the price they can charge networks to carry the really big shows. With the home iplayer, I doubt we will ever get free access to the archives whilst there are channels like Dave and UKtV (or whatever UKGold is called now) willing to pay for the rights to repeat QI, TG and HIGNFY.
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twoot posted:It's John McTernan Didn't he direct Die Hard?
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Jedit posted:Didn't he direct Die Hard? How excellent it would be if John McTernan did go to prison, alas no, he is not John McTiernan.
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Malcolm XML posted:hmm yes please tell me the Correct way to enjoy entertainment Sorry you idolise sociopaths and violent criminals I guess? David Chase has repeatedly complained many viewers of The Sopranos were watching it for the tits and murders rather than the deeper themes he was hoping to engage viewers with. Then when he finally was blatant enough for the slower viewers to realise a violent, unfaithful and greedy criminal was bad they suddenly flipped and wanted the most violent possible death for Tony Soprano in order that he was punished. The point is The Sopranos wasn't popular for the reasons it was good, it was a happy accident.
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