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Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Giblet Plus! posted:

I live in an area of chicago with a large mexican-american population. I've noticed that the driving is different.
  • Nobody stops for pedestrians
  • People drive through red lights
  • People block intersections
  • Cars edge out into oncoming traffic instead of waiting for openings
  • Cars pass on the right in the parking/turning lane
  • Cars block you from merging and will hit you if you don't give way
Is this behavior something particular to my neighborhood, or is this common in Mexico as well? If so, why is this normal?

Congratulations, you live in Mexico!

Bienvenido compatriota! :v:

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bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

Giblet Plus! posted:

I live in an area of chicago with a large mexican-american population. I've noticed that the driving is different.
  • Nobody stops for pedestrians
  • People drive through red lights
  • People block intersections
  • Cars edge out into oncoming traffic instead of waiting for openings
  • Cars pass on the right in the parking/turning lane
  • Cars block you from merging and will hit you if you don't give way
Is this behavior something particular to my neighborhood, or is this common in Mexico as well? If so, why is this normal?

Yeah, this describes every major city I've ever been to, regardless of country.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
I will add that driving in Mexican metro areas is a give no fucks kind of Mad Max experience. It makes LA look downright civil.

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

FilthyImp posted:

I will add that driving in Mexican metro areas is a give no fucks kind of Mad Max experience. It makes LA look downright civil.

I personally don't drive in major cities but whether I've been in Mexico City, New York or Beijing, my reaction to driving has always been "yeah, gently caress that poo poo".

Giblet Plus!
Sep 14, 2004

therobit posted:

Is this the first time you have lived in a city? That seems pretty normal for anywhere more densely populated than a quiet suburb.

I've lived all over the city, the driving is by far the worst in this part.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


FilthyImp posted:

I will add that driving in Mexican metro areas is a give no fucks kind of Mad Max experience. It makes LA look downright civil.

Public transport and taxi cabs are the best ways to have near death experiences.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Desperado Bones posted:

Public transport and taxi cabs are the best ways to have near death experiences.
To be fair, I have never had a bad traffic experience on a combibus. The larger city busses I've found to be rickety tetanus carrying deathtraps though.

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

Former Mexico goon here :mexico:.

I was born in Mexico City and lived there for about 5 years before getting dragged off to the promised land that is the good ol' US of A. My mother's entire side of the family still lives there though, it was only my mom and I that made the trip over. While I can't answer specific questions about stuff that goes on in Mexico, I can answer questions about culture, food, and tradition (ask me about waking up at 4 in the morning to go to Mass for the Virgin Mary :v:) mainly because my family never really "Americanized" and instead chose to keep their traditions intact (sometimes beneficial, sometimes detrimental).

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012
Regarding PEMEX, the company was nowhere as healthy as 30 years ago. Corruption and the need of the government to live off the profit form the company made it's model something that could not be kept and would go bankrupt in 10 years.

PEMEX's profit was never really invested in research, refineries or exploration, this caused the company to go down in profit when their oil wells started to dry up. So the government had to implement a reform that would allow private companies to invest in this and PEMEX would get a share of the profits, which is not the best solution but the only one that made sense as there was no money to do it by itself.

The other option would be to have a groundbreaking new model for PEMEX that would include massive layoffs and would take years to implement, but this was never really considered as the political cost of doing it would scare away any president/party.

As someone who has worked with PEMEX and CFE (the state owned electricity company) as a service provider, I can tell you that these companies are a nest of corruption, with both the government and their respective workers unions sucking the money dry and I'm glad that something was done, because that model could NOT keep going. I know the energy reform was not the best we could get, but at least something was done to turn a profit instead of not doing anything and wait until PEMEX would implode slowly in the span of the next 10 years.

Something had to be done 20 years ago to fix this situation, so now we are left with only the best of the worst options (shared profit with private companies).

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


FilthyImp posted:

To be fair, I have never had a bad traffic experience on a combibus. The larger city busses I've found to be rickety tetanus carrying deathtraps though.

Come and ride a combi in Tabasco, they are sometimes nicknamed "coffins in wheels". They pack those old things with 20 or more people and drive as they are recreating scenes from fast & the furious.


El Chingon posted:


PEMEX's profit was never really invested in research, refineries or exploration, this caused the company to go down in profit when their oil wells started to dry up. So the government had to implement a reform that would allow private companies to invest in this and PEMEX would get a share of the profits, which is not the best solution but the only one that made sense as there was no money to do it by itself.

The other option would be to have a groundbreaking new model for PEMEX that would include massive layoffs and would take years to implement, but this was never really considered as the political cost of doing it would scare away any president/party.


:( No matter what , the massive layoffs are currently happening. Well, down here it is. I have friends working on the company and all of them are really afraid of being next,I've been told whole buildings have been "emptied". The investment in the research and refineries is actually true. The refinery in Tampico is a wreck, and already had several minor explosions last year. The union as well, but then I'm not against unions but it's a shame they get corrupted by the greed of a few.

quote:

Something had to be done 20 years ago to fix this situation, so now we are left with only the best of the worst options (shared profit with private companies).

Haha, we are so hosed.

By the way, there's a huge oil reserve here in Tabasco, but they can't touch it...because it's under a protected area and a place where a large percentage of the country's fresh water is located :v:

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Desperado Bones posted:

By the way, there's a huge oil reserve here in Tabasco, but they can't touch it...because it's under a protected area and a place where a large percentage of the country's fresh water is located :v:

So they have to sell the water before they can sell the oil?

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


The-Mole posted:

So they have to sell the water before they can sell the oil?

I don't want to be a classic paranoid, but knowing my country's politicians that idea wouldn't be so crazy.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

FilthyImp posted:

I will add that driving in Mexican metro areas is a give no fucks kind of Mad Max experience. It makes LA look downright civil.

Sri Lanka has the same thing going on, but Colombo's so clogged that the speeds are almost entirely low enough that accidents are surprisingly rare and surprisingly nonlethal.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
I've heard that Uber is up and running in DF these days. How is it?

Lencho
Mar 16, 2012

TheImmigrant posted:

I've heard that Uber is up and running in DF these days. How is it?

I think it's already running in Monterrey, DF and Guadalajara. Some friends have used the service and they all said it was pretty nice but very expensive.

I currently live in Hermosillo, capital city of Sonora in northwest Mexico. I've talked a little bit about my country in the "Mexico is hosed" thread in GBS last year, and I'm still open to answer questions about carne asada, burros percherones, buchones, and everything else about this god forsaken hellhole.

Pentaro
May 5, 2013


Ubers in Guadalajara are actually cheaper than regular taxis, but that has more to do with the fact regular cab drivers are crooks who don't need no stinkin' taximeters. :v:

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Pentaro posted:

Ubers in Guadalajara are actually cheaper than regular taxis, but that has more to do with the fact regular cab drivers are crooks who don't need no stinkin' taximeters. :v:

Same in DF - it's the only city I've lived in where I am really leery of taking cabs off the street.

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

TheImmigrant posted:

Same in DF - it's the only city I've lived in where I am really leery of taking cabs off the street.

Taxi drivers are pushing the government in the capital to regulate all these services (Uber, Easy Taxi...) as they are taking a huge chunk of their monopoly. I have used the service only once but found it rather good. Would use it again when getting out drunk from a bar and in need of wheels.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



TheImmigrant posted:

I've heard that Uber is up and running in DF these days. How is it?

I just used Yaxi when I lived in DF last year.

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



Some taxi drivers have been striking Uber cars with pipes and bats cause they are taking their business.

Also, the few times I have used Uber it has been cheaper than taxis.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Chernabog posted:

Some taxi drivers have been striking Uber cars with pipes and bats cause they are taking their business.

Also, the few times I have used Uber it has been cheaper than taxis.

Cool. I'm arriving in DF tomorrow for your work, staying a while on Reforma. It's been too long - used to live in Roma Norte.

burnsep
Jul 3, 2005

Chernabog posted:

Some taxi drivers have been striking Uber cars with pipes and bats cause they are taking their business.

Also, the few times I have used Uber it has been cheaper than taxis.

Don't forget that the taxi driver unions are valuable muscle for various political parties around the country, so they may actually get some legislators to go after Uber, Yaxi et al.

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

TheImmigrant posted:

Cool. I'm arriving in DF tomorrow for your work, staying a while on Reforma. It's been too long - used to live in Roma Norte.

Welcome to the greatest city in Mexico, enjoy the pollution and traffic.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

El Chingon posted:

Welcome to the greatest city in Mexico, enjoy the pollution and traffic.

I've lived here before, and love the place. Getting spoiled by my client, staying in a nice place in Tabacalera. DF really is one of the best cities in the world for eating.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


El Chingon posted:

Welcome to the greatest city in Mexico, enjoy the pollution and traffic.

My nose always bleeds when I go there and whenever I clean, my snot looks black from the pollution. DF is awesome. :v:

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Desperado Bones posted:

My nose always bleeds when I go there and whenever I clean, my snot looks black from the pollution. DF is awesome. :v:

I spent a good chunk of last year in big-city India. Pollution here is bush-league in comparison.

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



TheImmigrant posted:

I've lived here before, and love the place. Getting spoiled by my client, staying in a nice place in Tabacalera. DF really is one of the best cities in the world for eating.

Can't argue against that.

tsa
Feb 3, 2014

burnsep posted:

Don't forget that the taxi driver unions are valuable muscle for various political parties around the country, so they may actually get some legislators to go after Uber, Yaxi et al.

That's what happened in the states, though it's not really that unfair that Uber has to comply with the same laws and regulations as any other taxi company.

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

tsa posted:

That's what happened in the states, though it's not really that unfair that Uber has to comply with the same laws and regulations as any other taxi company.

It'd be fair ground for both if the unions would also comply with those laws and regulations. There are thousands of "pirate" taxi vehicles in Mexico City that are not legally regulated, but they give a cut to the Transport authority and in case they need of them for any political reason, they will answer the call. I say gently caress those guys.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
Is there anything fun in Tabacalera, or is it all business? I'll probably be here for a few months, living in a hotel and working a few blocks away.

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

TheImmigrant posted:

Is there anything fun in Tabacalera, or is it all business? I'll probably be here for a few months, living in a hotel and working a few blocks away.

What are you looking for exactly? There are bars 10 minutes away if you take a taxi, and you are close to the downtown so you can go to plenty of museums (Mexico City is the city with most museums in the world). I suggest you get a bike or at least get the EcoBici card to pick one up from one of the stations and go to the ride the government organizes every sunday on Reforma avenue, it can help you get to know more your surroundings and it's pretty safe.

If you have weekends free I also suggest that you get to visit the cities that are near via bus. Cuernavaca is 1 hour away via bus, Puebla is 2 hours, so you can get there early and come back at night.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Please don't get irradiated Mexigoons :ohdear:

There's been a few other similar cases that I can remember. What is it about nuclear heists in Mexico? Is it a coincidence or are criminals going after the stuff?

papasyhotcakes
Oct 18, 2008

Lima posted:

Please don't get irradiated Mexigoons :ohdear:

There's been a few other similar cases that I can remember. What is it about nuclear heists in Mexico? Is it a coincidence or are criminals going after the stuff?

Nah I think its mostly due to high amounts of banditry and people making off with whatever they find, rather than specifically searching for the stuff. Still rather scary to think how relatively easy is to get one's hands on potentially dangerous radioactive stuff (even if its medical grade only and a protective casing).

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Hopefully the source would be found before someone decides to crack the case open
:gonk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%E2nia_accident :gonk:

Pentaro
May 5, 2013


Horrible Lurkbeast posted:

Hopefully the source would be found before someone decides to crack the case open
:gonk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%E2nia_accident :gonk:

Yeah, Mexico is no stranger to people messing around with glowing things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_Mexico_City_radiation_accident. (kinda barebones, but still :smith: as hell).

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



This is how the "Ninja Tortugas Adolescententes Mutantes" were born.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Lima posted:

Please don't get irradiated Mexigoons :ohdear:

There's been a few other similar cases that I can remember. What is it about nuclear heists in Mexico? Is it a coincidence or are criminals going after the stuff?

Cárdenas, the place where it was stolen from, is one hour away on car from the city I live in!

:v: I'll let you know if I start to die from radiation.

But most probably is that poo poo is somewhere in the ugliest parts of the state's capital city, or in some far away rancheria.

Pentaro
May 5, 2013


Update: The stolen nuclear materials were found under a bridge with their packaging intact. I guess that validates the hypothesis that it was just taken by bandits who didn't knew what they were stealing (and then got scared shitless when they figured out what it was) :v:

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Pentaro posted:

Update: The stolen nuclear materials were found under a bridge with their packaging intact. I guess that validates the hypothesis that it was just taken by bandits who didn't knew what they were stealing (and then got scared shitless when they figured out what it was) :v:

Hah,I knew it, it was found in a nearby rancheria and the woman who found it wants her reward.

So, American goons get an idea, because I don't know how ranches are over there. The translation for rancheria is ranch, and sometimes it can be a place where a lot of people live. They become small towns. Always located far away from any major city. Let's say, over time the owners of said ranch started to sell parts of it, and people started to build houses and soon you have large communities, the majority are always poor, sometimes it's the same people who work the fields. I never or rarely go to places like that because they are very far away from the capital city or have a very bad reputation :ese:

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burnsep
Jul 3, 2005

papasyhotcakes posted:


Remember kids, if you want to be able to receive massive cash bribes in a shady casino, be filmed while doing it and exposed nationally and still remain a relevant part of the political process, just join the Green Party!

A pretty depressing takedown from the UK's Guardian newspaper: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/21/mexico-green-party-corruption-claims-environment

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