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Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Nintendo Kid posted:

Or the role of NDP in Canada to get Conservatives into government for the past how many years now? It feels like it must have been at least 8?

The Conservatives are in power because of the collapse of the federal Liberal Partty. While the NDP has played a role in the rise of Harper it doesn't make a lot of sense to single them out as the sole or primary cause of the Conservative government. It is true that in 2011 the NDP's surge in the polls split the anti-Conservative vote but that mostly reflects a really terrible campaign by a right wing Liberal party under the leadership of Michael Ignatieff. The NDP have been in existence since the 1960s and yet the only Conservative majority government in that time period until now was Mulroney in the 1980s. In other words the presence of a socialist third party in Canada's parliament has not been a structural guarantee of conservative victories. Instead our Liberal party has ruled us for most of that period, and meanwhile the NDP has played a crucial role in implementing universal healthcare.

That isn't to say that the modern NDP hasn't made mistakes or that vote splitting is never an issue. However the implication that all the NDP is really doing is making it easier for the Conservatives to win is misleading. Your missing the fact that there is a deep structural change in Canadian society nicer way, driven by the decline of our manufacturing based Eastern establishment I. Quebec-Ontario and the rise of our Wstern energy producing provinces (most notably Alberta), as well as the decline of the once mighty Liberal party which relied on the dominance of Quebec-Ontario.

For instance the Liberal party used to be the party of immigrants in Canada. In the last election cycle immigrants largely switched to the Conservatives, giving them the edge in a lot of seats in Ontario and especially the GTA that they couldn't have won otherwise. If you wanted to explain the Conservative majority due to a single factor then I'd say the switch in the "ethnic vote" in Ontario is a better explanation than the presence of a party to the left of the Liberals.

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